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Discussion in 'Community Discussion' started by lookhigh, Aug 11, 2018.

  1. KeroZen

    KeroZen Chronic vapaholic

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  2. Hackerman

    Hackerman Expiration Police

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    Shhhhhhhhh

    LOL

    The real answer is self hosting.

    This would be an easy answer.....

    Buy a domain name.... any name. I would call it FCPICS.com

    Run a simple app to allow members here to upload pics to that site and link them to the forum.

    One of the mods could do this. Or, a dedicated member.

    Cost would be about $20 to make it all happen and then about $20 a year to keep it up.

    Simple answer to an ongoing problem here.
     
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  3. Summer

    Summer Well-Known Member

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    @KeroZen, No, I didn't see it. But if they allow reddit classifieds, why not ours?
     
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  4. KeroZen

    KeroZen Chronic vapaholic

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    Because they need the traffic? Because reddit is too big to ban? Or maybe they have deals we are not aware of? I think they need each others more than they acknowledge.

    But maybe the classifieds was just an excuse and it's just about our topic. @Stu knows better.
     
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  5. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    In my communications with them, I never got the impression that our subject matter was the issue. They insisted that it was simply the fact that our classifieds section violates their TOS regarding non-commercial use. If they were basing their decision on something other than that, I can't be sure. But if that is/was the case, they didn't allude to it in our discussions so I'll take what they said at face value.

    FWIW they also deny that they locked my personal account, so they are either not being truthful, are incompetent, or both.

    :peace:
     
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  6. Hackerman

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    @Stu Hey bud, why not set up a domain like I suggested. It's a 2 second job for someone with your knowledge. And, for under 20 bux, it seems like a simple solution to an ongoing problem at this site.

    Just tossing it out.
     
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  7. I'm Ron Burgundy?

    I'm Ron Burgundy? I love vape

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    Well damn this is all news to me.
    We should be able to just upload a photo from our phone/cpu
     
  8. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    I have no interest in setting up an image hosting site when so many other options like postimage and imgbb are already available. Besides, it wouldn't fix the problem for the gazillion imgur images already on FC.

    The options are already there for us to use, so I don't see how a new domain really accomplishes much. :2c:

    :peace:
     
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  9. Hackerman

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    Well, the main reason being that the same thing wouldn't happen AGAIN. There has been image site after image site that has either held your images hostage for pay, or cut you off completely. And, I'm sure it will happen again.

    Owning your own site would eliminate that.

    Besides, October 26th is right around the corner so it might be a moot point.

    Just tryimg to help.
     
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  10. KeroZen

    KeroZen Chronic vapaholic

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    $20 gets you about 20 minutes of work at the usual freelance rates. Setting a server, domain and secure image hosting solution takes much more than that.

    That's the idea of the script/app I was thinking about. Would be a 3 steps process: first a catalog creation (compiling the jobs list, saving the original images URL as well as the post ID's), then a scrapper script (fetching all images from imgur and uploading them to the new host), then ultimately a patcher script (that you would run from your logged account browser, and it would edit all posts from the catalog and replace the links)
     
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  11. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    That's all well above my ability, but if someone can write those scripts, well I wouldn't rule out giving it a go. We'd also need someone to write the code to facilitate image hosting on the domain, unless there is an off the shelf option out there.:shrug:

    :peace:
     
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  12. cybrguy

    cybrguy I mean really, WTF

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    Yeah, Ten years ago or so I set up a image hosting site for a family member who had a baby and wanted to post photos. It was just a picture gallery for hosting pictures on and didn't allow others to post to it, and it was still a pain in the ass and needed regular attention. I bought the domain for them, set it up as a gallery (I think I used Coppermine) paid 3 months in advance for hosting and then I turned it over to the Dad to take care of. He managed to fuck it up in no time. I think he gave up even before the 3 months prepay was over.
    I would think anything that allowed posting to would be much worse in terms of necessary attention even if you ignore the potential of bad actors intentionally fucking with it. Sites like this need security, it is not optional. Personally I doubt it is worth the effort it would take given the hosters already out there.
    Now, doing something like "the other place" has done is a different story, and once admin access comes back that is a good idea, but I don't see how creating our own hosting site would be manageable for FC unless someone is willing to commit a lot of time to it. JMO of course...
    You are forgetting the $10 to $30/mo for hosting the site...
     
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  13. asdf420

    asdf420 Well-Known Member

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    AWS could be a lot cheaper
     
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  14. KeroZen

    KeroZen Chronic vapaholic

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    Hosting should be the simplest part (although we could have bad surprises again with their terms of service if they deem that our images are not fit... and since many of our members enjoy posting bud pictures...)

    But we need more than storage. And who's willing to take all responsibility and become the owner? That implies responding to inquiries, like DMCA take down requests when there are copyright infringements and other kinds of complaints etc.

    Then like @cybrguy we need a secure image hosting solution system, that is robot proof and user friendly. It will be hammered by bots and malicious users the very second it gets online.
     
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  15. asdf420

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    could just make it require an x-referred-by or something. or add it as a subdomain of fc and use the same forum cookies.
     
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  16. KeroZen

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    Until @vtac comes back, there's nothing we can do on the domain and forum. And when he comes back then we'll be able to talk about hiding the classifieds and maybe imgur would lift the ban.

    Until then that hosting site would have to be a personal initiative from a member. Living under prohibition I can't take that risk myself.
     
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  17. cybrguy

    cybrguy I mean really, WTF

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    We could, and we want to try so that users can easily see the thousands of images already hosted there. But once we have admin access I think it is in our best interest going forward to enable the feature in the forum software that will allow us to upload pictures directly with our posts rather than a third party hoster and then linking them to our posts. Much easier for the poster and under our own mods control.

    Added: The only reason I can think why we might NOT want to host our own images would be if the domain hosting fees were to rise significantly due to more bandwidth or more storage used, but if that were to happen I imagine folks would be glad to kick in a few bucks for the benefits and control we would get.
     
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  18. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    I doubt that's going to happen. @vtac is well aware of the ability to integrate image hosting within FC and rejected the idea out of hand. It had to do with security issues IIRC. 3rd party hosting is here to stay, so we might as well accept it and try to find the best option(s) for members to use going forward.

    :peace:
     
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  19. asdf420

    asdf420 Well-Known Member

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    i bought fcpics.club
     
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  20. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    I share that as well. I tend to post technical photos and go to some considerable effort to describe what's going on, often the same basic information and photos for a number of reasons.

    Unlike what ImageShack did to us a while back, the reason I changed to Imgur, those photos are still available for those who really what to see them. I will take Stu's suggestion going forward and post the link instead of the 'BBCode' version to make it easier (guys won't have to use the 'reply' trick) but balk at those who beg/demand I change for their convenience. Sorry about that. Yes, I'm a bit upset that a couple years posts are now useless in large part since the photo is lost forever with ImageShack. I'd have to guess what was there, post by post, to try to recover that from my camera.

    Imgur gets a separate request any time anyone looks at a page (25 posts) so that photo loads whether needed or not. I can understand their reluctance to pay for such service, IMO we have screwed ourselves by being so popular?

    Perhaps I'll change and 'start all over again' for a third time, but for now I'm with Stu and KZ (who is wise in so many ways....), there's a 'work around' for those interested.

    OF
     
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