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PBW & the Chemistry of Clean

Discussion in 'Glass' started by t-dub, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. ramram

    ramram click bait

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    Just jumping on this magic trio now, nace with distilled water and citric acid. All but the nace has arrived so far, cant be much longer now though.
    This is a great thread, i would never have thought if even using anything other than tap water so big thanks from me!
    Will pick up some pbw soon too :rockon:
     
  2. sokesleezy

    sokesleezy Well-Known Member

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    If there is a tiny amount of PBW caught somewhere in your piece and you use it, will it clump up with vapor buildup?
     
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  3. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    There shouldn't be any trapped in a piece as it rinses away entirely. It's definitely not a good idea to vape through PBW solution no matter the concentration, but PBW shouldn't be able to get trapped and cause any problems if enough rinsing is done
     
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  4. sokesleezy

    sokesleezy Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, I just got it so im still trying to figure it all out. I'll be sure to rinse more.
     
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  5. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    A couple of pointers you might find helpful:

    1. Mix your PBW with VERY hot water in a cup before pouring into your piece.
    2. Not much PBW is needed. For a cup of just shy of boiling water, I use maybe a 1/4-1/3 of a tsp.
    3. The PBW in the cup should be dissolved into the water completely before pouring into your piece. If it hasn't, your water is not hot enough, or you used to much, or both.
    4. Pour into your piece and add additional hot water until full
    5. I don't leave it in there more than 10-15 minutes. Better to run multiple washes, IMO, than to try to get more cleaning power by just leaving it soak.
    6. Rinse your piece well when done.

    If you do this, you definitely should NOT find any pieces of PBW in your piece. If you do have pieces of PBW stuck in your piece, I would try very hot water to dissolve it then rinse well.

    Cheers
     
  6. little maggie

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    I've been trying to read this thread and I'm starting to feel overwhelmed. Is there a wiki or somewhere else that explains the differences between PBW, alconox, and any liquid cleaners?
     
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  7. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Not that I am aware of, however the people at Ecologic Cleansers have a nice "geek" section, see below.

    PBW is basically a mix of oxyclean and trisodium phosphate (TSP) substitute. Its actually good for the environment because it puts oxygen back into the water. The other cleaners like it on the market are Straight A and One Step from Ecologic Cleansers. I highly recommend going under the "Geek Stuff" menu and reading "The Essentials of Cleaning", and "The Role of Chemistry in Cleaning".

    http://www.ecologiccleansers.com/the-geek-stuff/the-essentials-of-cleaning/

    http://www.ecologiccleansers.com/the-geek-stuff/role-of-chemistry-in-cleaning/


    The MSDS info on Alconox says not to let it get into waterways which means you shouldn't put it down the drain. This makes it a no go for me plus it is expensive. Someone started an Alconox thread here but it didn't get very far.

    Other cleaners like Simple Green are alcohol based and can damage some lower quality plastics. Grunge Off is just a mix of ISO and d-limonene (orange oil).

    If you are considering another cleaner just ask and we can find out what it is etc.
     
  8. ataxian

    ataxian Well-Known Member

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    I use everything without bias.

    PBW I like and use as well.

    It's a good product.[​IMG]

    I need to clean my MOUTHPIECE from www.oregonglassblower.com


    The HOLIDAY'S have been crazy! (no time to clean?)

    I always rise with LIMES after cleaning!
     
  9. little maggie

    little maggie Well-Known Member

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    I went to Amazon to order PBW and they have a product by the same company called star san. Is that comparable to PBW or does it have a different function?
     
  10. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    I believe that is a sanitiser and is not comparable. It's used to sterilise brewery equipment after a PBWing

    Edit: Here's some better info
    I don't think it would be of much use/recommendable for vaping equipment, it's intended mainly for industrial use
     
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  11. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Star San is a sanitizer only. PBW is NOT a sanitizer. One Step, by Ecologic Cleansers, is both a cleaner and sanitizer in one. I have been experimenting with it and it works well for our purposes. Its no where near PBW or Straight A for cleaning power though.
     
  12. CuckFumbustion

    CuckFumbustion Better transformation thru vaporization.

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    Found this thread and considering using PBW as a weekly cleaning instead of ISO. @t-dub showed us his earlier setup with the silicone hose plugged into his hydrotube. I have access to restaurant cleaning supplys and within walking distance from a restaurant supply store.
    So I might get other cleaning 'things ' for this project. any rec'd items, methods or practices before I dig in.

    Want to get into a weekly setup of cleaning all my glass with as little hassle as necessary. Like I do with my screens.
     
  13. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    @CuckFumbustion - It sounds like you know what you are doing. Please keep us updated on your progress. You might want to get a lab scoop or Scoopula for putting PBW in your glass. They are handy.

    [​IMG]
     
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  14. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    I will say this...I use PBW, I learned all I know from the thread @t-dub started, and I like it a lot.

    I looked around for stuff to make a hose system like T-dubs but my sink faucet is not ameanable and I found it was not necessary.

    I did get some plugs from Delta 3D Studios. I also have some soft rubbery artificial wine stoppers that work for some openings also.

    Key for me is to heat the water well in microwave, THEN add the PBW, then pout in piece, top off with hot water from sink, plug and let sit.

    I have found that with concentrate type reclaim...you know, the honey looking goo from dabbing...does not respond to PBW as well as herb residue. I have found the need to use a bit of ISO when I get some gobs like that followed by PBW bath. The ISO just melts that kind of reclaim while the PBW wasn't touching it really.

    Cheers
     
  15. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    Mod's - sorry, can't edit and combine with above

    All - just thought I needed to expand what I posted above just a bit

    Key for me is to heat the water well in microwave to just before boiling
    I use a small pyrex measuring cup​
    THEN add the PBW
    When in doubt, use less
    You want all PBW to dissolve. Stir it.
    If you still have particles, you used too much​
    Then pour in piece and top off with hot water from sink
    Plug and let sit
    I don't let it sit in there for more than 10 minutes. Multiple soaks seems to be the key rather than long soaks
    Hope this is helpful.
     
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  16. Kozzmozz

    Kozzmozz Well-Known Member

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    @mandelbrod
    What an incredible transformation! I read you bought with a EU seller, which one was that?

    Thanks in advande and thanks @t-dub for the suggestion!
     
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  17. mandelbrod

    mandelbrod Well-Known Member

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