Obamacare
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MedicatedVet1911
Lord of The Seven Kingdoms.
I believe that while this is not a comprehensive fix , it is much better than what we have now. At least this way people will be able to recieve some help , more than what they have acess to now. Let's just hope that it isnt gutted by the Republicans before 2014. This make me feel so much more grateful for my free healthcare through the VA.
jackmormon
Well-Known Member
I was actually nauseous when I heard the decision. I believe that our current government is the problem, not the solution (to pretty much anything.)
Anyway, this puts it into another perspective:
http://dailybail.com/home/obamacare-complicated-check-out-the-flow-chart.html
"As this graphic shows, the new law creates 68 grant programs, 47 bureaucratic entities, 29 demonstration or pilot programs, 6 regulatory systems, 6 compliance standards and 2 entitlements. What could possibly go wrong with something so-well organized?"
IMO, If "Obamacare" stands for long, what will happen is that what is left of employer provided/sponsored healthcare will disappear for all intents and purposes. We will just be legally compelled to purchase our own. The whole thing is a great buttfucking of the average working joe in favor of the corporations. (Both the private health insurers and the employers who will feel it is now socially acceptable to NOT provide any healthcare coverage for employees.)
Not trying to piss anyone off, but some of us are plain tired of getting financially fucked by the enlightened jackass brigade in the sewer that is DC.
EDIT-The only good news is that Kagan should have recused herself from the case, since she helped write the legislation
Anyway, this puts it into another perspective:
http://dailybail.com/home/obamacare-complicated-check-out-the-flow-chart.html
"As this graphic shows, the new law creates 68 grant programs, 47 bureaucratic entities, 29 demonstration or pilot programs, 6 regulatory systems, 6 compliance standards and 2 entitlements. What could possibly go wrong with something so-well organized?"
IMO, If "Obamacare" stands for long, what will happen is that what is left of employer provided/sponsored healthcare will disappear for all intents and purposes. We will just be legally compelled to purchase our own. The whole thing is a great buttfucking of the average working joe in favor of the corporations. (Both the private health insurers and the employers who will feel it is now socially acceptable to NOT provide any healthcare coverage for employees.)
Not trying to piss anyone off, but some of us are plain tired of getting financially fucked by the enlightened jackass brigade in the sewer that is DC.
EDIT-The only good news is that Kagan should have recused herself from the case, since she helped write the legislation
IIRC it was just easier to replace Rehnquist with a new Chief Justice, than to have congress go through 2 confirmation hearings - One for Roberts, and one for the new Chief Justice.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, please.
zmurder
Well-Known Member
I'm pretty much with jackmormon above. I'm sure we're in the minority on here, but I'll just say that it strikes me as odd to see so much celebration (I live in Madison) for a decision that essentially says the government has unlimited power over us. And since this is a forum related to cannabis, I thought I'd add this additional question: what do folks think the consequences of this big centralization/federalization of health care will have on the future of MJ legalization?
I would support safety net style programs that helped the truly needy (and those with preexisting conditions) .... but not this big government + big pharma takeover.
I would support safety net style programs that helped the truly needy (and those with preexisting conditions) .... but not this big government + big pharma takeover.
You guys that are happy are pretty naive to think the government will get this right. They fuck us over any chance they get, why do you think this will be any different? Details aside...you can't trust these fools to handle healthcare when they've fucked up everyone's retirement already. They want to suck you dry and keep you working till you die.
Elluzion
Vapeosaurus Rex
I can't comment on Obama care, but I don't believe it is necessary and it just proves to everyone that you can't rely on someone or "promises" to take care of your health. Only you can take care of yourself and everyone should be taking responsibility for their health and problems they have. Raw whole foods, crystals, energy healing, spiritual energy from cosmos, etc is what I believe everyone needs for holistic healing and can even cure most preliminary diseases if all used properly. It all sounds so "simple", but in the end, that is how it is supposed to be, but most people surpass these strategies just because of that.
I really hope 2012 will bring some awakening & changes for people and show that we are all connected and rely on each other in this world and that we aren't just individuals walking like zombies on our iphone 4s's (it may be too late though
... We just can't rely on our government to fix our issues, if we want something it is time to take charge because it is good for us and helps to set good examples for others to promote healthy changes.
I really hope 2012 will bring some awakening & changes for people and show that we are all connected and rely on each other in this world and that we aren't just individuals walking like zombies on our iphone 4s's (it may be too late though
... We just can't rely on our government to fix our issues, if we want something it is time to take charge because it is good for us and helps to set good examples for others to promote healthy changes.
Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
People like me with incurable diseases are damned happy. Now we can't be turned down and left to die a slow, horrible death. They also can't say "we can't treat you anymore because you have reached the plan limit. Sorry you're dying. Have a nice day."
This helps TONS of people!!!
This helps TONS of people!!!
First I'll just repeat what a FB friend had to say about this:
I'll add to the pot the Americans who have been quoted today as saying that after this decision, they'll move to Canada to avoid "socialized Obamacare". Say whut? I assume these are the same people who went to rallies against Obama's healthcare plan holding signs saying, "Keep the government's hands off my Medicare!" Rush Limbaugh once said he'd move to Costa Rica for the same reason--but they also have socialized medicine.
I find our American friends puzzling to say the least. Many great countries, mine included, have state-run healthcare. None of them are perfect, but all of them are better (in my humble opinion) that a "health care system" in which decisions are made based on profit rather than the needs of patients.
I'll add to the pot the Americans who have been quoted today as saying that after this decision, they'll move to Canada to avoid "socialized Obamacare". Say whut? I assume these are the same people who went to rallies against Obama's healthcare plan holding signs saying, "Keep the government's hands off my Medicare!" Rush Limbaugh once said he'd move to Costa Rica for the same reason--but they also have socialized medicine.
I find our American friends puzzling to say the least. Many great countries, mine included, have state-run healthcare. None of them are perfect, but all of them are better (in my humble opinion) that a "health care system" in which decisions are made based on profit rather than the needs of patients.
lwien
Well-Known Member
Why can't people just state their opinions about a topic without the need to put negative labels on those they disagree with?
Naive? After living for 68 years and going through ALL of the things I have gone through, being naive is a luxury I outgrew a looooong, long time ago.
After serving in the military, believe me, I KNOW that the government can screw things up. But then, private corporations screw things up all the time as well.
lwien
Well-Known Member
Yup. Out of all the countries in the world, the United States is ranked #38-#45 in life expectancy depending on when the stats were accumulated. Now THAT'S a stat that should be a MAJOR concern when it comes to our current health care systems.
Tea Party
Boro Connoisseur
To those that are happy about this, How much have you read about the law and the amount of new taxes that will come with this?
Good luck trying to see a specialist in a few years, I know a handful of doctors who won't take any new patient on medicare...
With the government having money on the line by controlling health care funding you can bet the house that the amount of government control that will come into people's lives in the name of " lowering healthcare cost" will be high.
I don't like romney but the though of obama putting any more people on the supream court along the ilks of Kaegan have me 100% behind Romney.
Good luck trying to see a specialist in a few years, I know a handful of doctors who won't take any new patient on medicare...
With the government having money on the line by controlling health care funding you can bet the house that the amount of government control that will come into people's lives in the name of " lowering healthcare cost" will be high.
I don't like romney but the though of obama putting any more people on the supream court along the ilks of Kaegan have me 100% behind Romney.
BigDaddyVapor
@BigDogJunction
Roberts bent Barry over today and fucked him up the ass. Anyone that believes this decision was a victory for Obama, is kidding themselves.
Roberts, with his move also gave states the rights to OPT OUT of Obamacare. How's that National Healthcare thingy going to work out, when I can think of probably at least 16, possibly 21 that will opt out?
Nope... no victory today, except for Romney's campaign.
All Barry got, was TWENTY-ONE new taxes and TWELVE new taxes on people making UNDER $250,000. All in an election year and all in "the worst economy, since the Great Depression."
As the kids say, "PWNED!" (anyone really think Roberts forgot Obama's State of the Union insult?)
Chief Justice Gambit
As for all the great countries, with free healthcare.... how many of them, have deemed it a failure and are desperately trying to privatize more and more of it?
I can name two.
CANADA
BRITAIN.
OUCH!
Roberts, with his move also gave states the rights to OPT OUT of Obamacare. How's that National Healthcare thingy going to work out, when I can think of probably at least 16, possibly 21 that will opt out?
Nope... no victory today, except for Romney's campaign.
All Barry got, was TWENTY-ONE new taxes and TWELVE new taxes on people making UNDER $250,000. All in an election year and all in "the worst economy, since the Great Depression."
As the kids say, "PWNED!" (anyone really think Roberts forgot Obama's State of the Union insult?)
Chief Justice Gambit
As for all the great countries, with free healthcare.... how many of them, have deemed it a failure and are desperately trying to privatize more and more of it?
I can name two.
CANADA
BRITAIN.
OUCH!
Tea Party
Boro Connoisseur
This law is going to greatly reduce the quality of medical care.
Play this tune in your mind. Getting regular drug tests and having to pay a Health care of several thousand dollars for beign a drug user driving up healthcare costs.
lwien
Well-Known Member
I'll say it again. We are ranked anywhere between #38 to #45th in life expectancy behind those countries whose governments are MUCH more involved in the health care system than we are. If their systems are soooo bad, why are they living longer?
I don't think anyone is saying that Obama's plan is perfect...........far from it, but it's a step in the right direction that has been a loooong time coming.
I heard Romney today, and all he said was that when he's President, he's going to strike this bill down, without ever coming up with a plan to supersede it, when he himself, passed the exact same bill when he was governor. Instead of striking down the bill, how 'bout work on tweaking it to make it better?
I don't think anyone is saying that Obama's plan is perfect...........far from it, but it's a step in the right direction that has been a loooong time coming.
I heard Romney today, and all he said was that when he's President, he's going to strike this bill down, without ever coming up with a plan to supersede it, when he himself, passed the exact same bill when he was governor. Instead of striking down the bill, how 'bout work on tweaking it to make it better?
BigDaddyVapor
@BigDogJunction
No... you, like me... are going to be the casualties of Obamacare.
Think they're going to make the effort or expense to try and save me? Thirteen more hours of surgery, recovery? LOL! Some federal health panel, based in Washington D.C., is going to approve that amount of money? Not on this planet.
Spare the WHO stats. Socialist statistics, from socialist countries on socialized medicine, haven't any meaning to me, whatsoever. Its a biased study.
Where do people come, when they want state of the art, care? That's the only thing you need to look at.
All that really does matters. When (not if) Obama loses in November, this is ALL going bye-bye in January.
Tea Party
Boro Connoisseur
That's much different as that was a state. States should be able to pass laws based on what their people want.
No different than medical weed cards or gay mariage.
Forcing every person in the us to buy a product or pay a fine is a fucking outrage.
BigDaddyVapor
@BigDogJunction
Wow... 168 day wait, for breast cancer. Welcome to Obamacare!
lwien
Well-Known Member
Socialist statistics? How 'bout the stats provided by our own CIA in their FactBook that lists us as #35 in life expectancy ?
Tea Party
Boro Connoisseur
Sorry but in the long run they aren't going to provide you care. Do you know how many people in europe who need a surgury to help improve their quality of life are just given pain killers and told " deal with it", quite a few.