milaana or mighty ?

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by chris 71, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. muunch

    muunch zzzzz

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    I don't think it's a matter of "if" - it's a matter of "when."

    There are very few people (I think just one actually) that I've seen report having no issues with at least one of their 'hoppers.

    Based on what I've read, see you in 6 months or less. :whoa:

    Of course I hope I'm wrong and that you enjoy what you paid for though
     
  2. chris 71

    chris 71 Well-Known Member

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    well i asked the guy at the place i ordered from if he was seeing many having probs , he told me just a couple in the couple hundred he sold . weather or not this is truthful or exaggeration remains to be seen i guess . but it was good enough for me to go ahead and buy one at the time but ya wish i could have grabbed up that last milaana from planet vape
     
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  3. muunch

    muunch zzzzz

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    They released a thing talking about what their estimated % of failure levels moving forward were supposed to look like, and it was much better.

    I hope they get it steadily working but another reason I held off on a hopper is that I could see them completely revamping the design at some point due to all the inherent issues the current one seems to have.
     
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  4. GreenHopper

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    I bought 4x hoppers, 2x were given as gifts to heavy users. Only one out of all of them have needed to be warrantied for a DOA body.

    Other users have been less lucky, some having had multiple returns.

    It's a space age heater with a max temp of 210c 1" from your face, running off of a 750mah battery and barely out of beta. It's got its drawbacks for sure but when they vape works, yeash, just try it sitting down for the first hit.

    Good luck, hope you get a good one.

    Do you know if your order is old stock (V1 charger and GHB1's battery) or newer stock (V2 charger and GHB2 battery)?
     
  5. chris 71

    chris 71 Well-Known Member

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    thanks how will i be able to tell if its old or new stock ?
     
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  6. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    Old stock comes with the older GHB1 battery and a V1 charger which has a cable on each side:

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    New stock ships with a GHB2 battery and a V2 charger which has only one cable:

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  7. chris 71

    chris 71 Well-Known Member

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    cool thanks i will let you know when it comes
     
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  8. muunch

    muunch zzzzz

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    @The Herb Cafe

    He should be able to tell you, rather than waiting :3
     
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  9. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    Yeh I agree with @muunch, I'd ask before it gets shipped. IMO if you are going to go for a hopper you want the latest release.
     
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  10. chris 71

    chris 71 Well-Known Member

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    well its already shipped today , hopefully i have it by tommor or friday
     
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  11. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Aren't we vaping higher than 300*F? I know I do . . . :uhh:
     
  12. muunch

    muunch zzzzz

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    It doesn't seem like there is any info on the resilience of the epoxy past 300f, not sure if that's due to it not being tested. I looked at msds and whatever other crap I could find, though I didn't dig very deep.

    A good way to (not scientifically) test this would be to ask those who've accidentally charred their Milaana's to comment on how the epoxy held up after that, as I'm sure temps were well into 400s f

    From what I remember (though I am not them...) no one made any comments about the epoxy even becoming more viscous let alone gassing-off.

    While it's true that it could be gassing even without visible vapor/smoke or a detectable smell, I'm sure someone would have commented by now. Fwiw, the people who charred their units seem to have continued using them, or sent it back to have the char removed, and then continued using it.

    edit:

    I also think this means he measured the temps. I'm sure he has thought about this.
     
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  13. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Holding up is one thing, breathing in toxic vapors before material failure is another. Things break down before they fail structurally. With what I have heard here about this epoxy and its properties, I wouldn't risk it unless they can come up with a convincing narrative about how this epoxy holds up under heat stress and what happens to it as it breaks down.
     
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  14. muunch

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    I agree, but if it's confirmed that he did measure the heat of the one area where air passes over the epoxy (it's only "exposed" on the intake BEFORE the air goes through the heater, so I believe his 160f figure to be correct) then it wouldn't be an issue.

    edit:

    of course the manufacturer weighing in will be much more helpful than I am.
     
  15. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I prefer, especially with the other options available on the market, to chose a device that does not use chemicals such as these in its construction.
     
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  16. natural farmer

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    I think I would be more worried of the air that comes through the electronics and the battery in Grasshopper than the air coming through the epoxied glass heater in Milaana... :2c:
     
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  17. chris 71

    chris 71 Well-Known Member

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    this what ment when i said that epoxies in a vape give me the whillies

    i was concerned about this also especially when i see how close the end of the battery is to the heat chamber on the grasshopper . from plastic in the mighty to the epoxy in the milaana , to the battery so close to the heat with the grasshopper damn .

    if it were not for the fact that i have not smoked at all in the last two months and my lungs feeling soo good i would almost say fuck it and just keep using my solo or just smoke lol . cant we get a affordable vape that doesnt have any concerns and we dont have to break the bank
     
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  18. seaofgreens

    seaofgreens My Mind Is Free

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    @natural farmer

    Air does not go through the electronics/battery of the GH. That sits behind the heater. The air goes directly into the heater and from there, directly into the mouthpiece... Not sure where you are getting the idea that the airpath is not isolated?
     
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  19. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    Those couple may be the 2 GH's that I returned to THC!

    Well said. I STILL WORSHIP the GH more than anything i've ever tried in the past decade. GAME/LIFE/INDUSTRY CHANGER IMO.

    THC is selling brand new stock with GHB2 Batteries (they come with the vape, if you buy SPARES from THC they are GHB1) and v.2 chargers. Just because it's new stock, doesn't mean it's good. Both my Ti and SS hoppers flicker blue right out of the box, and performance is intermittent depending on position of dial. This seems to be "normal" as others are talking about the same issues in the GH thread. BOTH my original Ti and SS hoppers work WAAAAAY better.....no blue light flickering unless the battery is getting closer to dead. Performance always consistently awesome. I'm hoping for either my money back or replacement GH's, otherwise I will have to deal with 2 RMA's right out of the box.

    As mentioned, the charge cable is different, and the battery is GHB2 (i haven't been able to see any performance differences). You will be getting new stock.

    As mentioned, not necessarily.... sometimes newest isn't the best. Then again, both my Ti and SS hoppers were THIRD hand, so perhaps these just work and kick ass...hopefully for the long haul (had a short scare with my SS body not working for 3 days lol). BE CAREFUL with cleaning with ISO!

    Even if I can't get my money back and I need to RMA.....I have no problems living with FOUR hoppers in my life (as long as they all work properly!) I can't speak highly enough about its performance! Think portable EVO/SUB/Supreme/Herbalizer/E-nano type hits with instant heatup, stealth, and lifetime warranty.

    Best thing since vaping IMO! See ya in the thread Chris!
     
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  20. cannabis.pro

    cannabis.pro OpenCannabis Advocate with a shop at 420EDC.com Accessory Maker

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    Of course we are vaping over 300˚F.

    The epoxy is used to secure the female glass joint to the wood. Female glass joint is ≈ 2.0625" in length with the epoxy being used at the top of the joint whereas the heater is at the opposite end, inside the glass. Incoming air is cool until it crosses the glass line at the base of the heater/glass assembly.

    Epoxy is holding glass in place that is ≈ 1" above the heater on the outer diameter of the joint. The hottest part of the glass is the male joint directly above the heater, from there the heat is transferred to the material inside that is then inhaled. After a few draws, I can pull the male joint out of the Milaana and touch it directly to my skin and it feels hot, although I am sure I have touched hotter tap water. So we are talking an inch above this, and then through two layers of glass where this epoxy is of concern and also has less heat being transferred in that area as there is no material pulling the heat, it's moving air, two layers of glass, epoxy and wood. Isn't the air moving into the unit still room temperature whether the heater is deployed or not? Why the continued concern for breakdown? I'd be more concerned about an old microwave oven or some new oven at twice the price with plastics that fail.
     
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  21. chris 71

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    Thanks cannabis. Pro that is a great explanation of were exactly the epoxy is located and the fact that it really is probably no real concern
     
  22. muunch

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    I thought the epoxy being a "concern" for people who are using vaporizers made out of plastic was a bit comical. Especially since clearly they have no interest in even trying a Milaana and are just trying to down-talk it.

    Thanks for clearing things up in a more concise manner than I did.
     
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  23. natural farmer

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    It's not an idea, it's experience. I just closed the air holes of a Hopper and I could still draw air through the mouthpiece at nearly half the speed... So air came from beneath the airholes and there is nothing else there other than the battery. No?

    EDIT: There is no way air comes in contact with the glue in a Milaana the way it's designed... Or glue getting anywhere near warm...
     
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  24. HellsWindStaff

    HellsWindStaff Dharma Initiate

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    Tough, I would probably say the Mighty but they are different beasts. I rarely use my Mighty alone. When with friends, I rarely use anything other than the Mighty.
     

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