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Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by Dirtrider, Jan 23, 2018.

  1. Dirtrider

    Dirtrider Active Member

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    I am wondering if anyone could post images of what a micro-dose looks like, such as .01 gram, .05 grams, and .1 gram of ground material with something for size reference. I like to microdose but not sure if I am still in the micro-range. Ha ha.

    It is helpful to see an amount and not just a weight number. Or, a link to another thread with picture or just pictures on the web would work. I searched the web and most articles or pictures are for LSD or show a whole bud, which is not a micro-dose. I have a scale, but I guess it is not very good since at low weight ranges it does not register. Thanks.
     
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  2. stonedbob

    stonedbob 100% THC

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    the key to successful micro-dosing is a good weight.
    pictures are not enough and your eye is not enough, there are too many parameters you should consider in the calculation like our bud's density and humidity or our grinder which are most likely to be different than yours...
    spend some 10$ on a good scale :rolleyes:
     
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  3. kreaturebait

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    Micro-dosing is all about your own tolerance. What I would do is take my normal amount in one session and cut that in half or more. So, let’s say you smoke a bowl in one session, a micro dose would be a quarter bowl or half a bowl. This is perfect for lowering your tolerance or for those times you have to be super responsible so you just get a littttle high.
     
  4. mccringleberry

    mccringleberry Well-Known Member

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  5. howie105

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    What are you using as a vape? A photo of an actual load might act as a good reference.
     
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  6. Dirtrider

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    Thanks Mr. Mccringle. That is most helpful.
    Others - I agree that weight matters and I should get a scale. The bud can be different density. The water weight can go up and down too but the THC stays the same. The visual just gives a ball park. I am below the 'amount' based on the visual on some sessions when I just want to relax a bit, but other times, I am far beyond this amount. I like the bud to be humid for vaping. I think the water in the herb helps conduct the heat. The humidity would burn off fast though since it boils at low 200s. Thanks !!
     
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  7. Seek

    Seek Apprentice Daydreamer

    Here it is. I am not american, so I found some other stuff in my room and around the house to put around for size comparison:
    A bic lighter, a VapeXhale ELB, an E-Pick, an AA battery, a match, a pencil, a bottlecap, an USB plug and an 18mm E-Nano bowl.
    I don't consider 0.1g to be a microdose, unless you have very high tolerance, but it was requested, so its there too.
    Weighted precisely on a miligram (0.001) scale. I'm almost sure there is less than plus minus 0.003g error.
    It's still there, so if you want something added, just ask.
    [​IMG]
    And a better one with more stuff (coca cola plastic bottlecap, MFLB, 14mm Arizer adapter) and ground bud (the grounds on the previous picture are sugar leaves):
    [​IMG]
     
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  8. Dirtrider

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    Seek, you the MAN !! :clap::bowdown::clap::rockon:
    Wow. So last night, I would say I had about .01g about an hour before bed. Nice. Thanks. I am actually surprised by how little I use.
     
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  9. Winegums

    Winegums I make things from wood Accessory Maker

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    I’ve explained this before but cannot find it. Mircodosing is specific to the user. There is no maximum or minimum amount of material.

    Microdosing is using a set amount of material that satisfies your needs without ramping up tolerance too quickly.

    For some, a micro dose might be a few grains of material, for others it might be 0.25g.

    While others can demonstrate how much material they use for their purposes, it is you who has to titrate for your specific needs.

    Start with less and increase until you find out just how much you really need to get where you want to be.
     
  10. FabulatorPoeta

    FabulatorPoeta Where has the time gone?

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    So well summarized, thank you @Winegums
     
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  11. Godspeed

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    Thank you @Seek for taking the time and effort to put this superb reference together.

    I copied both pictures and will use them when talking to my doctors about dosage.
     
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  12. EverythingsHazy

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    Medically speaking, if you're using enough to get high, you're not really microdosing. A microdose is supposed to be dose small enough to be pretty much imperceptible (sub-threshold effects). A small dose that has the effect of a full dose is just a small dose on a low tolerance. Most people on this forum either don't seem to grasp that concept, or they just choose to use inaccurate terminology.
     
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  13. Winegums

    Winegums I make things from wood Accessory Maker

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    Did I say that anyone was getting “high”?

    Did I say that someone should be trying to reach the effects of a “full dose” with a micro dose?

    ?????
     
  14. FabulatorPoeta

    FabulatorPoeta Where has the time gone?

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  15. Little Bill

    Little Bill Oldest stoner on FC

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    @EverythingsHazy using your definition it is difficult for me to microdose. Even one draw from one of my vaporizers produces perceptible effects (to me but not to observers); but I know what you mean. Perhaps a short draw using very little weed could provide some sub-threshold effects that I would benefit from but not feel? I normally session from .07 to .1 gram. I will try a smaller amount and see. Thanks.
     
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  16. mccringleberry

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    Thats because his definition of micro is far more rigid than even the dictionarys definition, which allows for variation of what it means to be on a small scale, and its dependent on the subject matter. Thats why no one can take him seriously on this topic.
    No, no, no. If we're to apply technical terms of measurement to the effecs of cannabis consumption, then what youre referring to is a nanodose, NOT a microdose. Nowhere does a definition of microdosing exist where zero effects are felt. I dont understand why you still choose to ignore the definition of microdosing put forth in every single article across the internet on this subject, and then hypocritically accuse others of using the wrong term. Your argument-mongering about this is driven more by pride than common sense. And instead of realizing the ill of your ways, you simply revert to the "everyone else has it wrong" copout, when on purely technical grounds, youre the one whos out of touch. its hilarious.
     
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  17. EverythingsHazy

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    You said for some a micro dose could be grams. That’s incorrect. If you re consuming over a gram at once, you’re not microdosing.

    You can be as defensive and rude as you want, but that doesn’t change the facts. If you’re getting high, you’re not microdosing.

    “Microdosing is a concept that has been talked about for over a decade. The concept assumes that key pharmacokinetic (PK) parameters of a new chemical entity (NCE) that is being sought to be developed as a drug can be measured or estimated in PK studies that use very small “micro” doses of the investigational product. Since such low doses are unlikely to have any pharmacodynamic effects and would be too small to cause any major side effects after a single dose, it should be possible to undertake such studies in humans without having to complete the whole range of classical toxicology studies at therapeutically effective doses that are mandated prior to regular Phase 1 trials. Guidances issued by the EMEA and the US FDA in 2004 and 2006, respectively, have provided recognition to the concept and legitimacy to the conduct of such studies.

    What is a microdose? Published guidelines define a microdose to be at 1/100th of the expected pharmacological dose provided it is no more than 100 ì g or 30 n Mol. Studies using such a microdose are called microdosing studies. “

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3148612/


    It would be interesting to see the effects of the microdosing of Cannabis, as opposed to getting buzzed from it. When people truly microdose psychedelics, they sometimes report increased sharpness and oerformance, but they aren’t tripping. It would be useful to know if microdosing Cannabis could be beneficial, without getting buzzed.
     
  18. mccringleberry

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    Everythingshazy, the whole "if you get high youre not microdosing" statement is too simplistic and obvious to be of any real value here. You need to delve deeper. Cannabis effects are a wide spectrum best measured on a 1-10 scale, not an on-off switch. You can reach a 1 or 2 and gain the 'performance' you speak of without any side effects or consequences as mentioned in your own post and link. You can achieve a perceptiple change in head state, but still only hover at a 1-2 out of 10, and that is still a microdose. Having zero perceivable head change is not required for it to be called a microdose and if you think it is, youre an idiot. Im sure youll twist my words around and claim that i said reaching a 5 is still a microdose, which I never said (I know you love committing argumentative fallacies).

    Ive consumed insignificant amounts of cannabis hundreds of times just like you describe, where I get zero effects. I call it a microdose. Other times, I'll consume enough to get to a 1 or 2 on the 1-10 scale. I still call it a microdose. What are you gonna do about it? Come write me a citation? Scream and kick? Lol move on with your life.
     
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  19. asdf420

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    lol dude blaze it who gives a shit burp

    I guess the keyword here is tolerance. Jesus fucking christ

    Plus, it doesn't matter. Everyone is recommending to start low and only go up if it's not enough, anyway.
     
  20. Winegums

    Winegums I make things from wood Accessory Maker

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    Explaining things the first time might have been nice. Stating things out of the blue without explaination makes you seem rude.

    And again you’re putting words in my mouth and blowing it all out of proportion. I didn’t say anything about consuming grams.

    I’m going to ignore you from this point on as I’m not on this forum to get into arguments.
     
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  21. EverythingsHazy

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    I actually misread your post that said “a few grains”. I thought it said a few grams. Feel free to do whatever you want though.
     
  22. Dirtrider

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    I respect your opinion, and see your point, but disagree for my personal use or interpretation of the term. I like the numeric value to provide a gauge or feedback regarding the amount of my dose. I think a visual or weight is important. I don't see how anyone could agree that .25 g is a microdose, unless it is specific to a particular person. True, that person may usually use .5 g, so .25 g is micro to them, but you have made the definition personal to the user and not something that can be defined for the masses based on average users. For an alcoholic a microdose may be a 12 pack of beer, but honestly, that is not a microdose, just like .25 g is not a microdose. Again, not really disagreeing with you but pointing out your definition makes microdose amount only apply to the person and not a value that can be applied to others. Moreover, your definition will change as tolerance increases. That is occurring with me, as I vape more, I need more each time to get the same level of effect so my microdose will climb over time. I like the number value to give me relation others tolerance and to monitor my own usage against my baseline tollerance to keep usage i check. I don't want to be hitting .25 g and telling myself I am 'microdosing'. But, I see where you are coming from.
     
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  23. Winegums

    Winegums I make things from wood Accessory Maker

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    Fair enough, I’m only a voice on the internet and by no means the authority on such things.
    Keeping track of your dose with an objective value is important. It’s what makes a dose a dose otherwise it’s just approximating.

    0.25g might be a bit extreme if I’m honest, but certainly not outside the realm of possibility. I threw out some numbers as an example not as a recommendation.

    Dosages are specific and adjusted to the user. I don’t know how a dose cannot be a personal thing as we all have different reactions and needs.

    What exactly is an average user? There’s a massive spectrum of tolerance, usage, and desired effects. It would be nice if we all were the same and could speak for everyone as an average but that’s not the case from what I can see.

    again, not everyone is the same and there are always extremes on both ends of the spectrum of users. You’re trying to make something that is highly subjective in to something hard and defined.

    That’s on you the user to control. You are choosing to vape more and tolerance climb is always going to be present. Microdosing is a method that attempts to keep it from rising too quickly.

    I would encourage you to keep up with this. Find people with similar tolerance and share your experience with said amounts.

    Just remember that we are not all the same, my idea of average might be different than your idea of average. FC’s agreement of an average might not be representative of the general population.

    I am of the opinion that microdosing is a method and the correct amount per dose cannot be made into a blanket statement for everyone.
     
  24. Dirtrider

    Dirtrider Active Member

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    Well said !!
     
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  25. EverythingsHazy

    EverythingsHazy Well-Known Member

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    Again, most people here just use the term “microdose” to describe a small dose (for them). Trying to explain that tryevmedical microdosing is different, and that it has a specific purpose, is going to get you attacked. People here are surprisingly easy to upset, for a group of weed users.
     

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