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Jak D'Rippa from Magic Flight

Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by stickstones, Apr 20, 2017.

  1. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge Retailer

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    Hey guys - Magic Flight is releasing their new dab unit today called Jak D'Rippa! True to Magic Flight form, it's minimalist, inexpensive, efficient, heats up instantly, uses screens and is instantly recognizable. This is the entire unit except for the wall wart.

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    Here's a close up of the heater.

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    And here's a shitty pic of the heater with the on/off button.

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    I've had it for a couple of days and really like its performance. I don't think it's for those that want a huge hit all at once because the screen limits how much you can load, but it is super efficient and there is never any residue left behind when used properly. If you want efficiency in dabbing, this is it, just like Magic Flight wants. So far I like the low temp settings the best...nice and tasty and less chest burn. But I can turn it all the way up and get clouds appropriate to the amount loaded.

    The list price is $179 and they told me this code would get you free shipping until 4/23:

    S302YYE402

    Holler with any questions!
     
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  2. syrupy

    syrupy Authorized Buyer

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    Ooooooh! I like the idea of no residue!
     
  3. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    Stainless steel screen?
     
  4. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge Retailer

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    titanium screen

    If you have the space to set up a station for it, it's really convenient to run to the station and take a hit in just a few seconds and then you're done. I never dab, but this is so convenient that I've been using concentrates for three days straight now!
     
  5. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    Ti eh? Interesting! Price seems a little high but I'd love to try one. When you say it heats up instantly, does that mean it can be unplugged, and I could walk over, plug it in, and be ready to dab instantly? Cause I could see the appeal in that for people who don't want a bunch of stuff laying around turned on all day.
     
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  6. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge Retailer

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    Exactly!
     
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  7. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    So does it not splatter at all? Obviously wood and ISO dont go too well together, I'm curious about cleaning. Do we have any idea of temp range or is that all analog?
     
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  8. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge Retailer

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    The instructions that came with mine only say it can reach temps of over 900 in just three seconds. But I don't know beyond that. They reference starting on 30% - 50% on the dial to start and adjusting from there.

    As for splatter, it's different. I'll post a video of the hit later so you guys can see, but it just kind of heats up, bubbles a little, settles into the screen and then instantly vaporizes. Once you see the whitewall of vapor rush out it is done and then you turn it all the way up to burn off remaining impurities. I've probably put about 10 dabs through it and can see about four very small shiny spots on the wood below that are splatter marks. This probably came from the one time I purposely put too much on to see what it would do. It bubbled over the side of the contact rods (stainless steel) a little. So if you keep it to the proper sized load I don't think you'd ever have any splatter in the bottom. Certainly nothing worth reclaiming.
     
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  9. MagicFlight Press

    MagicFlight Press Member Company Rep

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    HAPPY 420 from Magic-Flight! We wanted to share our latest and greatest anti-pop culture apparatus here on FC, where it all began! Just today, we've released our newest concentrate vaporization concept: the Jak D'Rippa VC .07!

    http://sales.magic-flight.com/jak-drippa/

    This beta product allows for direct sampling of concentrates (from a glass or metal container), or with the provided brass loading spoon. The Rippa plugs into your home wall plug, providing unlimited power!

    Check out our video playlist for the Rippa, here:

    http://tinyurl.com/JDR-PLAYLIST

    We’ll be answering questions about the release in this thread all day (4/20) so be curious and ask away! We’ll look forward to sharing thoughts with all of you throughout this very special holiday.

    Remember to live while you’re alive.
    — Magic-Flight

    Modnote: Threads merged, so the next few posts may be choppy.
     
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  10. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    Yo!
    I'm curious about temp range, any baseline idea for the dial in regards to temperature?
     
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  11. MagicFlight Press

    MagicFlight Press Member Company Rep

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    YES! This beauty can get real hot (900 degrees). However, keep in mind that the titanium screens can be damaged by excessive heat (think of what happens if you turn on a powerful amplifier cranked all the way up-- this can blow your speakers and possibly fry the amp). We think you'll find that the quality and quantity of vapor produced will be more than adequate even at lower temperatures.
     
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  12. shredder

    shredder Well-Known Member

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    I read the product description twice, and still don't have a clue what this is, or how to operate it.

    There are several references to product loss due to or during transfer. I guess I've never had that particular afliction. Is that really a problem?

    What the hell is it? Why do I need it? And is there a video of, whatever it is operating?

    Edit, ok I've seen a video of it operating. It a thin band of metal heated in a wood gizmo. Dabs are melted on the metal band. Powered by ?
     
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  13. nosmoking

    nosmoking Fogmonger

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    This reminded me of the thread or post where @RastaBuddhaTao was talking about a concentrate being suspended in the air while being brought to a boiling point. Its not quite the same theory but it kind a builds on it. The flaw in the theory is gravity...the screen is the solution to this flaw...bigger screen = bigger dabs???too bad its not made of SIC!

    I look forward to your video @stickstones
     
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  14. Bouldorado

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    AC powered, it's basically a remote enail/electric nectar collector.
     
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  15. Bouldorado

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    What advantages does this offer over a traditional quartz or SiC enail that you would carb cap? Particularly in terms of flavor.

    And is tubing required for use?

    Personally, I'm not a huge fan of rubber tubing. Never used it for concentrates, but with flower the whip will typically impart [what I'd consider bad] taste after a few weeks. Difficult to clean so you're forced to replace it. Much prefer a glass/metal air path that can be easily cleaned with hot water and iso.
     
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  16. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Is the temp control done with that small analogue dimmer type control I think I saw there? Is this simply a variable resistor style wattage control or is there some kind of electronic temperature control here? If this only has the former, then this absolutely does not beat a standard enail rig setup. It will definitely taste worse (metal screen is no competition up against SiC, Sapphire or even a number of quartz designs), those screens that seem to be your heater get red hot in the videos I've watched in a way that reminds me of old pen tek. The old pen tek style metal coil heating approach that you guys use was abandoned in a lot of newer pen designs as these get too hot, too quick and overcook the oil. The next gen of coilless wickless pens is considerably cheaper than this device, and appear to offer more precise temperature control from what I can see (temps are set digitally to the degree and a controller maintains this temp). These are also not beta products.

    I watched all of the videos and heard a lot of comparison claims about traditional rigs and their greater product loss during use.

    Then watching the videos I saw this product in use and was reminded of when I first tried to use a domeless nail with no carb cap! There was more product loss than I get with any of my nails, whether used electronically or with a torch (of course sapphire doesn't get used with a torch so I am referring to SiC there). This is the sort of waste that would have put me off of dabbing before I ever learned to extract like I do now - if I didn't have FC friends to assist! :D

    Clearly visible vapor loss into the air above when dabbing on the JaK D'Rippa 'receiver attachment' (most noticeable loss between draws - this is why carb cap designs were invented - also some during application), I'd imagine this could be a mess with larger dabs! Dabbing surface area is minimal compared to most other options on the market these days and it seems in the videos that a moderate sized dab has to be applied quite gradually as a result.

    The fact that this is AC powered means it should be compared to cheap enails, not torch and nail setups. A torch and nail can be used without power. Even if this can run on battery power (maybe @MagicFlight Press can tell us), I'd prefer torch SiC to electronically heated metal for taste and surface area allowing to do moderate-to-large dabs more quickly anyway, even if the metal option had microprocessor controlled temp stabilization!

    The more I look at this, the more I wonder if a soldering iron with a stainless screen attached to it and a pipe over the top hot-knives style would achieve the exact same results, I hope there's more to it than that personally!

    The use of SiC as a contact vaporization surface is patented by d-nail bro. Of course I'm sure that any company wanting to design something out of SiC covered in the patent could contact the patent owners and negotiate royalties or some similar arrangement though :2c: I am not the patent holder of course, but I have seen the patent and this is my understanding of the practical implications under patent law.

    This is my main barrier to using this device besides the above. I really prefer not to use whips or any polymers at all. If I were prepared to use silicone, all pens can be connected to a rig using a whip too. As above, many of these pens are final versions of the product and are available for less money, and can be used with TCR mods that provide what appears to be more precise temp control. These current gen pens are also made with better tasting dabbing surfaces (ceramic etc).

    We should probably defer to @MagicFlight Press to find out a little more about this one before making judgements as some of the information remains unclear to me:

    1. What is the metal that the dabbing coil/screen is made out of?
    2. Can this run on batteries or does it require AC power only?
    3. Exactly what is the nature of temp control here? Digital controller that compensates for temp drops etc or an analogue dimmer style control or something else?

    :peace:

    EDIT: Some of my questions I see are answered above. I originally wrote this post for another thread which was merged here which is why I seemingly missed some of those answers.
     
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  17. davesmith

    davesmith Well-Known Member Glass Blower

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    looks like magic flight have made another below par concentrate apparatus. sorry for the bluntness but i just don't really see where this fits? and at that price point there is far more options than i care to list. I really like mflb but i've been underwhelmed by their output for a while
     
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  18. natural farmer

    natural farmer Well-Known Member

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    Cant wait to see their dry herb convection vape... Probably as below par as this one... :nope:
     
  19. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge Retailer

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    I don't think magic Flight is trying to convert all the high end concentrate users with this one. There's nothing about it that is going to appeal to anyone using SiC. I'm a flowers first guy, but I have a bunch of pens, an Evo and a VB2 here. Since I'm not an extract connoisseur yet, I prefer the Rippa because it's quick, clean and keeps my doses small. So far, my biggest gripe is dealing with all the wires. But yeah, it's not as flavorful or big hitting as the Evo or something equivalent.

    I think the people that are going to like this one are the ones just getting started in concentrates, those who want something cheap and effective, and those that dig the MF look and feel. Just like the mflb, it shoots for efficiency and does it by not being very big. I load small amounts and don't lose any sleep about lost vapor. After having it for a few days I think it falls right in line with the Magic Flight style and mantra, like it or love it!

    I still owe you guys a video...let's see if I can get that going tonight. 420 ended up being all about the flowers for me!
     
  20. MagicFlight Press

    MagicFlight Press Member Company Rep

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    Hi, and we hope everyone had a great 4/20!

    We'll try and address some of the Q's above:

    Q. What is the metal that the dabbing coil/screen is made out of?

    A: The screen is made of high-grade titanium mesh.


    Q. Can this run on batteries or does it require AC power only?

    A: The JDR uses AC power via a 24-watt wall plug. A car adapter is also available on our website.


    Q. Exactly what is the nature of temp control here? Digital controller that compensates for temp drops etc or an analogue dimmer style control or something else?

    A: It's a rheostat with a manual dial.


    Also, regarding some of the comments above, we understand that each set-up has unique advantages. You're right that a SiC enail with a carb cap is indeed very efficient, and for some, is just what they're looking for! However, these enails are also easy to accidently leave on, creating a potentially dangerous situation. (The JDR heats instantly once the power button is engaged, and cools within seconds once the power button is released.)

    Also, plugging in and dabbing within seconds is preferable to some, rather than using blow torches and a nail that stays quite hot for a while. (A concern for those with pets, especially!)

    We’ll continue to make products with the goal of enabling the greatest range of possible experience — tools that promote healthy human connectivity and the heightened anticipation of something good just around every corner.
     
  21. Bouldorado

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    That's definitely safer than an enail or a banger. I've burned myself on bangers (minutes after dabbing) and have left my enail on overnight. The enail is mounted on a glass piece, so minimal fire hazard, but that'd be a different story if I had kids or pets.

    If I didn't buy an e-nail barely a month ago I'd consider picking one of these up. I think there's serious potential to get some very tasty hits out of the JDR. Especially using it preloaded. If I tried using my e-nail preloaded it would roast the flavor for 30 seconds before I even started to get vapor.

    I'm thinking if you preload, start inhaling, and then turn on to the minimum vaporizable temp, you'll get amazing flavor. Could even adjust it mid-dab to finish it at a hotter temp. Then crank it up to burn everything off for another clean hit.

    Honestly the hoses are my biggest hangup on this. I want something that attaches directly to the GoNG and has the button on the side (or would that create an electrical hazard)?
     
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  22. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    The high is always lacking IMO when the vaporization surface is not already at temperature. Might as well use a pen if you're gonna preload.
     
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  23. natural farmer

    natural farmer Well-Known Member

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    I think I shouldn't post something like this... It was probably very hasty and rude and I am really sorry I did.
    Jak might not be great for the flavor experts out there but most of the people I guess would be rather happy with the taste of the Rippa. I know I am when i put a concentrate in my Vapcap. And it's Ti and SS.
    I think there should be subtle differences in taste and aromas, which someone like @herbivore21 with a sensitive palate might perceive but the majority of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference. And I am sure the MF people have done some good testing before putting this in the market.

    MF is who got me into the vaping game and quit smoking and they treated me amazing when I needed to use the warranty so again I am really sorry for my hasty comment! I wish you all the luck with this! I would definitely ditch the whips in favor of a glass or Ti mouthpiece of some sort though...
     
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  24. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for your responses man, I do apologise for any redundant questions there, as I noticed some of those responses were already provided above when the threads were merged!

    Respectfully, I have to raise a few contentions to what you've said above:

    Your comparison's to blowtorches and nails are IMO not relevant. Your product doesn't compare with a torch and nail as your product requires mains power or car power. Most of the people using a torch and nail are those who for some reason cannot get mains/car power to their dab rig. Otherwise, cheap e-nails are a dime a dozen these days and many of those (even many of the ones that use titanium rather than tastier materials) will outperform your product given their superior heater controller capabilities to the simple manual rheostat control you guys use.

    A torch and nail is not IMO likely to get pets injured, most of those who I know that use a torch + nail have pets (not kids - I don't know anyone that allows kids near a dab rig!) and no burns to pets have ever ensued. Torched nails do not stay hot for that long.

    You can put the nail away in minutes after a torch hit, even with SiC which retains heat longer than most other nails. Even if the torch and nail comparisons were reasonable (see my comments above - I do not believe they are), surely the hot part of your unit stays hot enough to hurt if touched in the immediate minutes after turning it off? I do not believe this to be a major gripe in either case, I must say.

    Also man I don't know what you are talking about when you describe e-nails being left on as unsafe. I have left one of my e-nails on 24/7 almost without any downtime since 2014. There has never, ever been any danger, no burns, nothing. I don't know what kind of scenario you are imagining? I say this being one of the most safety minded people at FC, as many here will agree.

    BTW, IMO pets and kids should never be in a room where an e-nail is set up and functioning when unattended (I would argue not at all actually). I'd never let kids or pets into a room where I had a rig or vape within reach to begin with, enail or no! Is anybody here that cavalier with their fragile, expensive property? If I am not in the room where my dab rig is, that room is locked!

    I don't want kids near my medicine either. I keep all of my medications away from children. Of course, I make no judgement of those who may have different views about meds near kids, but the considerations about kids near rigs and expensive vapes still stands of course. They're inquisitive little ones and our equipment is too interesting looking for its own good in this scenario!

    Your product as outlined to me (titanium screen, rheostat heated - ie: no automatic temp adjustment to account for ambient factors like an e-nail controller has) to my mind simply doesn't compete with any e-nail setup. It provides similar heat control (also application if you load before heating the unit up) to a non-TCR pen with a titanium coil. I stopped using those years ago as the taste is not good enough to justify use with my meds. Those last gen pens are much cheaper and obviously more portable than your product to boot :2c:

    As I said above, your product seems to me to be very similar to a soldering iron with a screen attached to the hot tip. The price tag attached really makes that a very tough proposition to swallow IMO, especially given that more advanced, cheaper alternatives are already available.

    For example: a Puffco+ with a TCR mod. This would offer a more portable, battery powered and pocketable solution which uses better tasting materials with no metal coils in contact with the load and also has temperature control to the degree, which is electronically stabilized to compensate ambient factors unlike your product. This setup can be had for less money than your beta product above.

    Your product is not going to compete with an e-nail for efficiency, function or flavor, and is priced like a cheap e-nail setup already when it is still in beta! I am sure that many can appreciate where I am coming from here?

    I want to acknowledge that Magic Flight have certainly been responsible for some seminal vapes that were some of the first to be widely adopted and popularize vaporization. I also have never heard anything bad about Magic Flight's service and warranty support and that is a rare and wonderful thing in this industry of late compared to my experiences with other vendors. I am not here to company bash at all, but in my view, this particular product can't compete with a large number of currently available products on price nor functioning. :2c:
     
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  25. HD Springer

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    For myself I somewhat like everything except the price. It really looks like it performs much like a nectar collector. Albeit a really really expensive one. If the price was about a cool $100 less then I'd see people getting serious about buying it.

    It's almost impossible to use the word minimalist when the price tag is that high. You almost have to have a side note when you are using that terminology. imo.
     
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