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Discussion in 'DIY' started by WizardG, May 23, 2014.

  1. WizardG

    WizardG Member

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    I though I would show off a little toy I'm building as a surprise for a friend of mine. I'm kiinda proud of it. It's a cordless rechargeable induction heater. Let me know what you think. Thanks!
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  2. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    Looks awesome ! I hope to see this tech in a vaporizer soon :)
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  3. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Salutations WizardG,

    Well there's been some false alarms before, i'm thinking of the Versa Infinity episode for example. Then came a video on the FlowerMate VaporMax V where we are told it's an induction unit while it is not, then not long after the Loto Labs Evoke arrived, euh... So it's kind of lets wait & see.

    Anyway, maybe the time has come to choose a name for this new project!

    :D

    Since you've decided to go portable i gather you've made preliminary calculations and decided its power consumption profile might be viable for this particular application. The IH technology itself ain't exactly new, it's already been demonstrated a while ago:


    My suggestion is that you may want to share some basic background (applied to your project) as an intro. It's not convection but i figure it should prove to be a stimulating and rewarding read in the end.

    Good day, have fun!

    :peace:





    P.S.:

    Maybe you can focus on vaporist hardware and leave IH design to some 3rd-party supplier, as with this product previously mentioned beside others on FC before:

    Additionally, if that's not enough power then i'm ready to bet that this tool from the automobile industry should prove suitable in most situations (considering if has removable coils):


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    (Induction Innovations Mini-Ductor II MD-700)
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  4. WizardG

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    "Anyway, maybe the time has come to choose a name for this new project!"

    I'm calling it Maxwell's hammer. (look up James Clerk Maxwell. He's the guy who figured out the math for electromagnetism) ((yeah, I'm a geek:nod:))

    I'm using an 18.5V 5500mAh LiPO pack for power. Depending on the size of the nail and the material it's made of I get ~60 to 150 dabs/charge.

    And actually, my little toy can deliver more power than the particular model of mini-ductor you posted. Not for long between charges though!

    I'm in the process of putting everything together into a handheld package now. It's a bit of a case of form following function. It's going to wind up looking a lot like the mini-ductos's cousin the bolt buster I think. I'll post pics and more video when it's all together.
  5. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Salutations WizardG,

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    Hummm... The beard is an option, right?!

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    Ah yes, i keep forgetting it's not for dry flowers. That's information the reader will appreciate in any case!

    :nod:

    Well, all that counts is that we get the idea. There was at least one other brand/model when i searched and i'm wondering if the automobile insdustry wouldn't have a few more of those gems waiting to be discovered; though, with such a high price-tag attached it's certainly not what's most affordable around - maybe that's even a bit overkill.

    Oh, so i guess a lot of time passed since your video...

    Any spreadsheet charts to share that won't compromise the project? Schematics solving some particular challenge, hand-drawings on a paper towel?...

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    Which i'll illustrate below for our readers own eventual benefit:


    Actually i think someone should have imagined some 3rd-party vaporist module to install in place of the coil long ago!... But at such high cost i figure it's not really appealing so this is one main reason why i'd favour a NoFlame and/or clone solution instead: it's simply more affordable! Yet, perhaps unsuitable for an IH dabber. Please explain how!!

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    Though if a guy wants one in his garage anyway then that's quite another story, of course.

    The reader will be awaiting in anticipation for sure...

    Good day, have fun!

    :peace:
  6. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Salutations everybody,

    WizardG focussed my attention on soldering irons which have Curie-effect tips, for example the Thermaltronics M7 series corresponds to 370 °C (~700 °F) while their M8 series offers a target temperature of 425 °C (~800 °F) instead. This is for 5 mm tips costing no more than 30 dollars US...

    So i'll now invite the reader to take a good look at this particular video segment where an operator holds the smoking IH (solder iron) tip he was still using only a second before:


    Such soldering iron elements don't get heated conventionally, their tips are based on a Curie alloy to provide thermostatic heat regulation at the point of contact... Now why can't this benefit our cannabic vaporist community?

    By chance the present situation seems ready to change, so i hope the WizardG IH dabber project can be made just modular enough to allow the eventual addition of some dry cannabis adapter. Somewhat like those Curie-effect tips that can be replaced so conveniently.

    :peace:
  7. WizardG

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    Hmmm, I have a Metcal soldering station. I may need to sacrifice one of my older tips so I can harvest the curie alloy slug and try out the suggestion above. (solder never touches the slugs so It won't poison me with lead)

    I'm going to try to finally get my toy fully assembled next weekend. More video soon 8-)
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  8. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Salutations WizardG,

    That could make some fun experiment, who knows it might even turn handy some day! But i still wonder why it remains to be evaluated in 2014 thinking IH soldering irons ain't really new at all, euh... Any theories explaining the apparent level of indifference around induction heat vaporizers during all those years?

    How come??? Not to mention our favourite consumption method already adopted soldering iron technologies, far in its early past!...

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    I'm quite confident the readers started to endure premature signs of starvation by now so i hope you're going to be back with a cure potent enough to fix that mind-crippling state!

    :peace:
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  9. WizardG

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    Let's try this then

    It's ugly but it works!
  10. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Salutations WizardG,

    What? Do you actually mean you had doubts?...

    :peace:
  11. WizardG

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    Not many, but it's always a tense moment the first time you apply power to something that can pull 100 amps when it's working right.

    Actually, I added an automotive type 30 amp breaker to the circuit, just in case ;-) This limits output to ~500 watts but that's plenty for even the biggest nails. I abused the benchtop version of the circuit (in my first video) pretty thoroughly to make sure it was as bulletproof as I could make it. The design is tight. Even shoving a chunk of 5/8" bar stock in the coil couldn't kill it. Do that though, and this circuit sucks down over 100 amps and heats the bar cherry red in about a minute.

    I'm thinking about getting together with one of my glass artist friends and having them make something special: Imagine a 'bowl' consisting of a glass tube 1.5-2" long with an inside bore of 3/4". 1/2" up from the bottom of the bowl is a dish of Ti or stainless, like a miniature upside-down bottle cap, held in place by dimples pressed into the glass.
  12. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    Do you think that a titanium or other metal coil/foil can be wrapped around vaponic's bottom.. and heated with you gadget ?
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    Like this but instead of rubber - metal.
  13. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Salutations WizardG,

    All right, lets say this reflects the level of confidence.

    So if it had a weak link somewhere then not anymore! :cool:

    Metal can be molten using IH, i wonder if you don't happen to be tempted to realize your own castings...

    Oh, for a portable equivalent of nail dabbing - which i keep forgetting is a major parameter in this project.

    Don't worry i'll do my best to imagine!

    :peace:
  14. WizardG

    WizardG Member

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    If the glass can take the heat then I don't see why that wouldn't work.
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  16. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke Vaporist (v3.0)

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    Salutations WizardG,

    About reflecting a certain level of confidence...

    Shake the tree until apples fall, apply torsion on a vegetal stem until its fibers emerge...

    Probe to explore/verify even improbable scenarios, etc. On occasions some inexpected findings might occur which open new possibilities finally!

    :2c:

    Is there a pointer to some close-view picture somehwere, to that same nail exacly?

    Makes sense a lot. :D

    Good day, have fun!

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