How long does the vape high last for you, and which vape(s) do you use?

[Seek]

Funny thing is that I get night sweats big time, if I only skip one night of herb. I thought withdrawl symptoms kicked in after 24hrs or so? Even if I vape that morning, all morning, if I don't vape at night I can't sleep and get the massive sweats.

Everytime I'm sober it takes me over an hour to fall asleep. I fall asleep slooowly when sober (before 1st use of MJ too). When I vape less than like 6 hrs before going to sleep my mind gets racing for a while and then I fall asleep fast. Usually less than 30 mins to fall asleep when high. Also an hour after vaping I'm motivated and don't even think of sleeping no matter how sleepy I was.

Cannabinoids floow exponential dynamics in bloodstream. We are getting the cannabinoid levels up with dosing and it gets down exponentially. You need to let that level get down enough to maintain the equilibrium. It you recover the level every hour before it drops much the equilibrium is disrupted and you get tolerance. For this exponential behaviour it is best not to take many times of day to have to tolerance low (imo longer than 2 days period will have a little additional effect as these levels will drop only a little more).

 

[Durbs]

I use the MFLB and the Da Buddha. Recently, the high has only lasted about an hour to an hour and a half, but I've been vaping far too much for quite a long time, I've probably built up a very significant tolerance. After a tolerance break, it should last me a little more than a few hours, or maybe a little less with the MFLB.

 

[vape4life]

Everytime I'm sober it takes me over an hour to fall asleep. I fall asleep slooowly when sober (before 1st use of MJ too). When I vape less than like 6 hrs before going to sleep my mind gets racing for a while and then I fall asleep fast. Usually less than 30 mins to fall asleep when high. Also an hour after vaping I'm motivated and don't even think of sleeping no matter how sleepy I was.

Cannabinoids floow exponential dynamics in bloodstream. We are getting the cannabinoid levels up with dosing and it gets down exponentially. You need to let that level get down enough to maintain the equilibrium. It you recover the level every hour before it drops much the equilibrium is disrupted and you get tolerance. For this exponential behaviour it is best not to take many times of day to have to tolerance low (imo longer than 2 days period will have a little additional effect as these levels will drop only a little more).

Great explanation seek, you're right on again. Now it's just a matter of me implementing it lol But I do take frequent 4 day Tbreaks (with nearly no sleep) and then vape and ya it's a bit better but nothing crazy. I suppose maybe I need to do them more often though.

 

[vape4life]

Ugh, another 2-3 month t-break began yesterday

 

[Elluzion]

Ugh, another 2-3 month t-break began yesterday

you'll be getting super HIGH after that break, whats the reason?

was it the run in?

 

[vape4life]

Ya super high, until I fall into the trap again and my tolerance goes sky high again lol This time i have reprogrammed my mind to not be so dependant on it anymore.

My reason is a HUGE dependency for sleep... and without it, the withdrawl symptoms sleepwise are a complete fucking nightmare. That's the only withdrawl I get is not being able to sleep AT ALL. I've been awake the last 2 nights, and as usual the sweating is really bad at night.

My main issue is that for like 8 nights/month i'm not able to vape before bed and I don't sleep at all those nights and it's starting to kill me. If I wasn't such a heavy user, and so dependant I feel that I would be able to sleep those 8 nights without herb, as I have in the past.

It's just a massive mental game/struggle with the dependency for me... but I think i've figured it out! lol

 

[vorrange]

Ya super high, until I fall into the trap again and my tolerance goes sky high again lol This time i have reprogrammed my mind to not be so dependant on it anymore.

My reason is a HUGE dependency for sleep... and without it, the withdrawl symptoms sleepwise are a complete fucking nightmare. That's the only withdrawl I get is not being able to sleep AT ALL. I've been awake the last 2 nights, and as usual the sweating is really bad at night.

My main issue is that for like 8 nights/month i'm not able to vape before bed and I don't sleep at all those nights and it's starting to kill me. If I wasn't such a heavy user, and so dependant I feel that I would be able to sleep those 8 nights without herb, as I have in the past.

It's just a massive mental game/struggle with the dependency for me... but I think i've figured it out! lol

I can't remember if you are an all-day user on top of having to vape before sleep because of insomnia but.. have you tried vaping only after work and never wake n'bake? This alone has helped me tremendously to maintain my productivity without having to t-break or screw up my tolerance.

Working out everyday, no electronics before bed also help with insomnia.

And i would do as Seek said too, try to vape like an hour before and after the first 30min begin your pre-bed routine, so you still go to bed high but not just after vaping..

I also read somewhere here in the forum that, vaping right before bed makes your tolerance go up.

To answer the OP, my answer is remarkably similar to Elluzion. My high lasts for about two hours and when it subsides it maintains like a base level high for at least until i vape again. If i don't vape again, i will be like that until i go to sleep. (bear in mind that, as i said on top, i vape only after 5-6pm and usually i don't vape at night anymore unless it is a weekend)

If i vape again before bed, i wake up a little fuzzy and i have a very deep sleep.

I am using my WychWood Vaporizer mainly and almost exclusively since i got it. Also because i got it at the same time that i stopped all-day-vaping and i don't vape at night now also, my portables have been oddly benched.

But, the difference between vaporizers in terms of high is non-existent for me.. the efficiency and flavour profiles are the biggest differences between them as well as other obvious differences like operation in use.
When i first started, i thought i could get higher with a specific model over another. Now, i realize that, if you perfect the technique for each vaporizer you own, they all get you as high. The difference is how is the journey to get there (flavour profile from grinding-to-spent, how much herb will it take), the rest are minor factors in terms of experience (how is it powered, size, durability) that don't interfere with the high.

 

[vape4life]

I have tried just evening vaping but once I start, I don't stop lol That's all water under the bridge now though, as i'm going to be much wiser from here on out...kinda havta financially anyway.

Didn't know about tolerance shooting up from vaping before bed, but I knew that happens with wakenbakes. I'm pretty sure my wake n' vape days are over, because as I said once i'm high, i don't wanna be sober until the following morning.

I've never had a T-break and hit the Cloud, I received it when my tolerance was quite high, so this should be really fun! lol

 

[vorrange]

I have tried just evening vaping but once I start, I don't stop lol That's all water under the bridge now though, as i'm going to be much wiser from here on out...kinda havta financially anyway.

Didn't know about tolerance shooting up from vaping before bed, but I knew that happens with wakenbakes. I'm pretty sure my wake n' vape days are over, because as I said once i'm high, i don't wanna be sober until the following morning.

I've never had a T-break and hit the Cloud, I received it when my tolerance was quite high, so this should be really fun! lol

I must say that the wake n'bakes worked for me when i was smoking tobacco as well. If i postponed my first cigarette of the day, i would smoke much less all day and after my first cig, the urge for the second was bigger than for the first of the day.

I read the same is true for sweets.. if you eat a breakfast rich in protein and low on carbs, you will be much less likely to binge eating or eating sweets.

So, right now, except when i break my own rules, i only vape at late afternoon, early evening. That coupled with exercise, good food and sleep has helped me be my best self both physically and mentally. And my tolerance is low, although i vape my eyes out.

 

[vape4life]

You're lucky vorrange, seems like your ritual works well for you. I'll get there...and i definitely agrree about what you said re: sweets and breakfast.

 

[vorrange]

You're lucky vorrange, seems like your ritual works well for you. I'll get there...and i definitely agrree about what you said re: sweets and breakfast.

Not lucky, like you i am trying to find out the best way to experience MJ.
My mild ADD makes me be more aware of the usual side effects regarding focus and productivity that a regular person won't have to, just like you with your insomnia.

I realized i had to stop combusting because of my lungs, and after cleaning them i realized i was addicted to the tobacco and was able to not be high without the usual anxiety and restlessness.
This allowed me to separate both worlds more clearly, and i realized that MJ was not without its downsides, especially for me and my ability to unfocus, so i realized i needed to adjust my consumption.

This lead me to where i am now, an all-evening vaper. I am sure many would benefit from the changes i have made, but many will also be worse off.. Just keep searching and experimenting,

 

[vape4life]

Thanks Vorrange, I think I just need to figure out a usage pattern that will NOT cause me any withdrawl symptoms including insomnia. I'm really curious if in a few months I vape one night, and whether i'll be able to fall asleep without vaping the following night. If I can't, then the cons will be outweighing the pros of this herb and i'll be forced to quit for good. Hopefully that never happens lol

 

[Vape N Bake]

I use the NO2 & Evo. The high lasts for me around 2 hours. I usually only vape in the evenings after work. But I do like to wake & bake on the weekends.

 

[vorrange]

Thanks Vorrange, I think I just need to figure out a usage pattern that will NOT cause me any withdrawl symptoms including insomnia. I'm really curious if in a few months I vape one night, and whether i'll be able to fall asleep without vaping the following night. If I can't, then the cons will be outweighing the pros of this herb and i'll be forced to quit for good. Hopefully that never happens lol

If the insomnia is caused only by MJ, it should not cause insomnia because you vaped the night before. Also, 2-3 months of t-break is too much if you just want to experiment about your insomnia.

You will be able to tell the difference in a 2-week t-break i think. But there is definitly a link between MJ and sleep cycles, and there is a link between sleep cycles and your overall health.

I think you are hitting the nail when you talk about moderating the use and not have an over-the-top vaping session. For me it is like this: The often you do it, the less amount you have to do it each time.

If you smoke you should exercise more than a non-smoker, but what happens with most is that eventually they stop exercising alltogether and keep smoking.
Like when you're fat and you should watch what you eat and how much you eat, but it appears that the more fat people are, the less care they have about that.
This is not because people have a death wish or are just stupid; there are mechanisms in your body that are running wild because of these improper habits, and the more you give into it, the worse it gets. It is much more difficult for a fat guy to not stop at macdonalds than a skinny guy, and it is not about self-control.

I haven't read the same about MJ, but i am pretty sure it applies. It is harder for you to self control, the more often you indulge.

 

[vape4life]

VERY wise words Vorrange! I feel I fall into the fat or smoker category, but only with herb, and that's why I try cold turkey T-breaks, so it's not as hard to self control...it's either something or nothing. However my research is leading me to believe that cold turkey may not be the best approach, but rather tapering off. I believe my body is in shock right now (again!) lol

2 weeks is nothing for me t-break wise...i buy those piss test strips off of ebay and although i'm extremely fit and active with single digit body fat %, I can still test positive for metabolites after a month, so that tells me my receptors are pretty saturated or something. I did eventually start sleeping better but then for some reason I had a horrible sleep and felt terrible so I started into edibles, which led to vaping again. Edibles destroy my tolerance.

You are SO right that the less often you do it, the less you use! That's $$$$ savings huge.. and that it effects sleep patterns incredibly. I always laugh when people say they are never addicted/dependant, yet can't sleep without it either. What I really can't comprehend, is that after 5 years of shiftwork and horrible sleeping patterns, i'm still active/lean/healthy/never get sick, etc. so obviously my healthy diet and exercise lifestyle trumps what negatives the vapour can do, except for the damn sleep. I just don't understand how the human body can be awake for a week or longer without ANY sleep.

I think instead of saying 2-3 months and then see what happens, i'll taper down and only use it medicinally, for sleep, a couple hours before bed, until my use dwindles to practically nothing, and then break again until I can sleep properly without it.

 

[vorrange]

Cold turkey is good if you don't go all out the next time.. it is still better than going all out, all the time, with no breaks.

You should research more about insomnia and sleep, since MJ helps you fall asleep better but the quality of your sleep is compromised. And shiftwork definitly does not help there, at all.

In my web browsing i came across an ADD forum that advocated people should follow a more natural sleeping pattern, more in tune with the sun and the cyrcadian rythm and that helped them a lot with ADD symptoms which can be the same as weed withdrawal or abuse.. Like going to sleep at 8-9pm and wake up 8hours later, at about 6-7pm.
Just like proper nutrition cures most diseases, i think proper sleep cures/helps most disorders linked with the brain. Exercise is the cherry on top of the health cake.

But nowadays, life seems to start after dinner, it is difficult to do this and not be a social ghost, no one ever sees you.

It is my next, and long due "health project": be an early riser!

 

[vape4life]

very much in agreement, cold turkey is fine when stoppage doesn't yield major withdrawl symptoms, yet that's better than chronic binge use which i'm coming off from. I think i'll keep abstaining for another couple of days, and if I don't get at least 2-3hours of sleep (i'm lucky to get 20-30mins now on and off), i'll hit my Cloud just a little so I can recoup and rest for at least one night, and then i'll try sober the following night and so forth.

I have researched insomnia and mj to the point where I don't think I can find anymore info on the web! lol I've been to doctors, specialists, sleep studies, tried lotsa meds, herbs, teas, accupuncture, meditation, relaxation, hypnonsis, etc. NOTHING works excpet mj! lol I have a genetic defect forsure, because my brother who has never touched mj ever, and works straight days, has major insomnia as well. So i'm really just trying to determine whether mj is the cause........or CURE?

I think my body tries to be aligned with the sun....i can never sleep past 6-7am anymore, even if i go to bed at 1am.... i think mj lessens my overall amount of time sleeping. The problem with the shifts is that even though I am awake all night, I can't sleep during the day, so I end up staying awake for 4 days straight, and my job can be pretty demanding.... ah well...just keep on truckin i guess lol

 

[vorrange]

You sound a bit like Abysmal and his insomnia. Maybe you should exchange ideas, hehe.

But, seems to me, if your brother has it and never touched MJ, then MJ is the cure or not the cure.

If you cant sleep past 6-7am, then definitly try sleeping early, because only 3% of the population in the world is capable of sleeping 5hours and be at 100%, the rest of us mortals need about 8h. And good luck! hehehe.

 

[vape4life]

Ya i've ALWAYS had the propensity to insomnia my entire life. It's been a struggle and that's where the MJ came in, but there is a fine line ofcourse. I would never be able to fall asleep early, unless I had a hard labour job all day long like construction, factory, etc. and if I don't medicate, i'm up until 2am without even a yawn. When medicated, I can be asleep in less than 10mins at 10:30pm..

Even though i'm fucking exhausted, I just don't have the ability to get "tired" or "drowsy". I think it's because my melatonin is completely depleted, and takes time to rebound.

 

[vapeanderson]

I realize this is quite an old thread, but I wasn’t able to find a more recent relevant one.

I use a VapCap M and a Fury 2. The effects typically seem to last at least 4 hours. I’m a relatively light user overall. The effects can last much longer… sometimes I feel like I’m stoned for ages. I too experience the long lasting haze after the high fairly often as well.

Interested to hear others weigh in!

 

[BLACKENEDPLAGUE]

I can get anywhere from 3-5 hours, have no idea why the discrepancy is so large or how to dial it in

 

[Hubs88]

Until I go to sleep. Sleep resets me and when I wake up I'm good to go.

 

[stinkytofus]

Depends how much u vape, and what device you vape and what strain you vape and how long before you last vaped

I typically do .15g, up it to .25g if i want a stronger high, then i switch between conduction, convection and butane, and then i have four strains i switch, i never vape same strain twice in a row, well at least i try not to, if the high goes away too fast i dont vape for a day or two and vape again and it will be strong again, weak buds last 30-1hr, good stuff 2 - 3 hrs

I also hold in the vape for 5 secs, release the vapor in the room with windows and doors closed, second hand vape can get u a little higher

The strongest is consuming cannabutter with my coffee, then one hour later i will vape, when both kicks in same time, its one hell of a trip

Max high would probably be vape, edibles (made from good buds not abv and with lecithin mixed in, cooked for 8hrs+) and vape again

Daytime vaping is stronger ime vs night time

 

[condor020]

I vape with my coffe in the morning, one or two bowl, iam at work the daytime and feel like no rush to get some more, i ll say i won much more freedom compared to smoking where the nicotine rush have to be made every couple hours

 

[JackOG]

I get a hangover when smoking weed but when it comes to aping I find it much clearer but the effects only last for 2-4 hours depending on the strain.
I've written an article all about it here. 'How long does a vaporizer high last'