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Gear Health Stone Glass - Vapor Slides

Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by Mr. Smoke No More, Dec 11, 2010.

  1. Mr. Smoke No More

    Mr. Smoke No More Can't stop the head rush!

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    Has anybody used these? Just noticed them listed on aqualab.

    http://aqualabtechnologies.com/concentrate-utensils/health-stone-glass.html?p=1

    It lists them as concentrate utensils and says to absorb the consentrate on the stone then apply heat with a torch lighter. To me this seems like it would combust the oils or full melt you are trying to vape. However i think it would work good if you put a screen inside with some herb on it. Would work like the CD flame filter / glass vapor genie filter.
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    Nycdeisel Well-Known Member

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    I saw those used on The Weed Report with Dave Warden, They look like a cool idea, although I guess they cant be cleaned, but I dont really know.
  3. Pappy

    Pappy shmaporist

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    That's a new one on me. Leave it to ALT! Wouldn't be for me because I don't like using butane.
  4. nickzzzx

    nickzzzx Well-Known Member

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    These things intrigued me, but I would really want to try it out myself before ordering it online. It seems like a really good concept but I wonder what it tastes like and if the "stone"(supposed to be ceramic actually) taints the taste. I use a herb iron with a ceramic tip for oil and it doesn't taint the taste at all, but this stone doesn't look to be of the same ceramic material, maybe mixed with some kind of rock to give it that stone quality? I'm not a big fan of using lighters (thats why I use a herb iron) but this whole setup is just so simple to use it seems like the perfect 'quickie' oil vape for portable or at home. I imagine you could clean the stone with iso alcohol and reuse it, just like glass, bbut not as durable. Make me a quartz glass version of the stone and i'm sold.
  5. Nycdeisel

    Nycdeisel Well-Known Member

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    I dont know if what your talking about is possible, nickzzzx.
    Yea the only possible way to clean it would be an ISO soak, I assume.
  6. stinkmeaner

    stinkmeaner Well-Known Member

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    Some seem to be confused so I will clarify and say that these are meant for use with "Oils & Concentrates" NOT fresh buds.
    ;) Mainly the BHO Market

    These HealthStone Glass bowls have been hitting local shops for around $65 but not to be outdone, Aqualabtechnologies as always will overprice anything they can get their hands on (Everything on their site is at least $20 to $30 more than competitors)

    For anyone wanting to try these, you could also look at getting a ceramic faucet filter or I found this filter replacement for a vaporizer on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/PORTABLE-BUTANE...366?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b507e65e or try putting a dab of BHO on a Vapor Genie.
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  7. OO

    OO Technical Skeptical

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    it's combustion, so therefore it should be removed from the vaporiser discussion boards.
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    stinkmeaner Well-Known Member

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    It is not technically combustion because there is no plant matter being burnt when dealing with BHO.

    Besides, people can still talk about combustion. We live in the real world and most of us will occasionally smoke a joint or so.
  9. OO

    OO Technical Skeptical

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    it is technically combustion because you're taking an oil and burning it.

    the byproducts of burning oil are oxidized, and therefore being burnt.
    pyrolysis products will also be present.

    what's the title of this forum?
    it's vaporizer discussion, therefore, discussion of a combustion only device seems inappropriate.
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    nickzzzx Well-Known Member

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    oil only vaporizes and leaves behind nothing but a little dust.
  11. lepstadder

    lepstadder Well-Known Member

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    Has anyone in this discussion even used one?

    If not you should not be debating about whether it is combustion or not

    It looks to me to be exactly like the GVG

    Which is great for concentrates and can be used to combust...
  12. OO

    OO Technical Skeptical

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    which is actually ash as the result of combustion.

    no but i have seen the video demonstrating its use where a concentrate is applied directly to the ceramic surface, and then combusted directly.

    the primary function of this is combustion, it is therefore not a vaporizer.

    it is different from a vapor genie, in which combustion is not the primary function.


    mod note: Use the edit button please. Posts merged.
  13. lepstadder

    lepstadder Well-Known Member

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    So the material sits on top of the ceramic disc and acts like a screen

    , and with the vapor genie the ceramic disc diffuses the heat and the material sits under it
  14. OO

    OO Technical Skeptical

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    yes
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  16. MikRoOrganix

    MikRoOrganix Erlhead!

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    I have a HealthStone slide and they are great. The stone is very similar to a Vapor Genie. If you have a VG you can test this concept easily. It works great. I have a VG original. Both stones are made of monofilimant silicon carbide.

    You are NOT burning your oil with this method, so NO it's not combustion. If used correctly, there is no flame applied to the stone. You are using the heat from the torch flame. It's very easy, the flame is over 2" from the bowl. There is NO contact of the flame to the oil. The oil first melts into the stone. As the stone is heated, the oil vapes out of the stone. This is something that is not easily observed in the video. Please try the product before making blanket statements........

    The stone is inert and I cannot taste any difference in taste between the stone and a TI pad. I would still say a glass nail is slightly superior imho but the taste on the stone is great. I use it all the time. It can take a massive dab no problem. Small dabbs deliver great too with a long consistent hit. I would highly recommend the stone to anyone.

    Sorry I dont have pics or a vid yet, but I will check back when I do. I am not sponsored by HealthStone or any other shop blah blah
  17. Mr. Smoke No More

    Mr. Smoke No More Can't stop the head rush!

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    This thing is interesting. I remember wanting something just like this when i used to smoke oil on ashes. Might have to wait til after the holidays as my funds are needed else where, but u never know what the holidays might bring...
  18. OO

    OO Technical Skeptical

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    the red light being emitted indicates that the stone is well within combustion temps (for the oil).
    there is no doubt that its primary function is combustion.
  19. MikRoOrganix

    MikRoOrganix Erlhead!

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    I disagree! WHEN used correctly the stone does not become red until well after the dabb is completely done producing vapor. The stone does not become red hot for about 5 seconds. AGAIN you're trying to discredit something you have not tried personally.

    The video posted above is a terrible example of how to use the HealthStone. The torch is either way too powerful or they are too close to the stone. The dabb should NEVER ignite/combust/sparkle/crackle/etc. This is totally wrong. I hate to say it but most of the youtube videos are shown hitting the stone incorrectly in this manner.
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  20. stinkmeaner

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    I see your point OO, I too always thought to myself that vaping BHO & oils was combustion, but I just call it vaping because on most all the message boards online classify it under vaporizing or vaporizers.

    Combustion or not would have to be determined by someone with more of a scientific background than I have, I will say that I imagine that the amount of carbon and/or toxins that you are inhaling far lower than conventional smoking of the herb, the amount of BHO consumed is insanely small when you switch to BHO's, just a couple pin head size dabs are equal to a couple fat sized bowls.

    I will say that it would also be wise to use a decent 'Torch Style' lighter for anyone using the HealthStone and Vapor Genie or 'Flame Filter' type vaporizer because of the soot that 'Bic Sytle' lighters leave behind, to see the amount just turn a mirror or glass on its side and burn it for 30 Seconds.
  21. OO

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    that would mean that all the videos i've seen demonstrating how the stone should be used are wrong, and are actually examples of its misuse. i'm trying to get the point across to people that the commonly employed technique is not one that leads to vaporization.
    i'm not going to debate the extent of combustion via this method than with a plant, i'm trying to prevent more people from falling into the false impression that you admittedly had. which is to say that by putting a tool like this one in a category such as "vaporizers", people will assume that such a device is one who's principle method of extraction is vaporization, which is not the case with this tool in all of the videos i have witnessed.

    for more info about the previously mentioned red light, read here.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wien's_displacement_law

    everything that has a temperature emits radiation, which means that you also emit radiation.
    the strength of the radiation (i.e. shortness of wavelength is proportional to the temperature of said object). the higher the temperature, the shorter the wavelength, and the wavelength in the most recent video is one that is short enough to emit visible light, meaning it's a hot piece of ceramic!
  22. MikRoOrganix

    MikRoOrganix Erlhead!

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    That is correct. Every video I have seen on YouTube has some measure of overheating and combustion. They are all using the torch flame directly on the dabb/stone which is not correct usage. When you use the flame directly on the dabb, the hit taste horribly like butane

    Let me rationalize it for a second. It sounds like you have a Vapor Genie as well. Have you ever used a torch with it to vape bud? I have. It works fine (although I generally use a bic). If I just use the heat, and not the flame of the torch, I am easily able to vape bud without burning it. This implies to me that it is possible to hold a torch high over the stone and reach vaping temps without exceeding them.

    It is my belief that the majority of these videos were made either by people who don't vape (and therefore don't understand what they are doing wrong), or else they just got their stone and haven't used it for a period of time. Too big of a torch also looks to be a common problem. I have the Blazer torch which is not as large as some. I also believe a micro-torch (small handheld torch) would be the best possible for this stone. I will test that as soon as I can find mine......

    IMHO, I have TI, I have quartz, I have glass, and the stone is on par with any of the above. As someone who has used the stone for about a month now, it works great for me. Again, I will try to make a video that uses the stone correctly. I think it's a great product (again I'm not sponsored, I paid for mine direct from HealthStone $65) and please give it a chance before discrediting it.
  23. OO

    OO Technical Skeptical

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    i don't have a VG, just a mild chemistry background.
  24. stinkmeaner

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    So is BHO (butane honey oil) an Oil or Plant Sap or a mixture of the sorts?

    *If BHO is oil then it is for sure combustion just like any oil burning engine or heater.

    *If BHO is Sap then there it would really not be vaporizing the Sap either since heating the Sap to high temperatures would be burning the sugars and other ingredients when you drop a dab of BHO on to a 1,000F glass,Ti, or quartz plate.

    So any of this would technically be combustion, my lawnmower burns a oil/gas mixture. It sure doesn't vaporize it. It would seem more logical, effective, and tastier to find a way to use BHO with lower temperatures.
  25. MikRoOrganix

    MikRoOrganix Erlhead!

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    It boils when it hits the pad. As it boils, it rapidly evaporates. At no time is there any ignition or spark.

    You can certainly dab a little bit on top of some bud and vape it in a normal vape but it doesnt work very well. The oil has a higher vaping temp than bud though so not much happens until you get close to 400f. Overall the high is not nearly as intense as boiling aka flash vaporization.

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