Driving whilst high

t-dub

Vapor Sloth
I agree. One moment can cause a lifetime of regret. My brother-in-law was killed by a drunk driver while riding his bicycle. The killer was 18, legal age on the island, late getting back to the navy base after a long night of partying, and blacked out behind the wheel going 80 MPH in a 30 MPH zone. After he killed my brother he got out of his car and complained about the damage my brothers body did to it.

This was all alcohol. I have to wonder if cannabis had been an alternative that maybe things would have been different? There is a big difference between the two. No way to know for sure I guess but because of my experience I have to be against impaired driving of any kind, including prescription drugs as well.

Again, it takes a second to decide to drive or not while impaired, but a lifetime of regret should something bad happen. THINK about it . . .
 

nomadicsoul34

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I agree. One moment can cause a lifetime of regret. My brother-in-law was killed by a drunk driver while riding his bicycle. The killer was 18, legal age on the island, late getting back to the navy base after a long night of partying, and blacked out behind the wheel going 80 MPH in a 30 MPH zone. After he killed my brother he got out of his car and complained about the damage my brothers body did to it.

This was all alcohol. I have to wonder if cannabis had been an alternative that maybe things would have been different? There is a big difference between the two. No way to know for sure I guess but because of my experience I have to be against impaired driving of any kind, including prescription drugs as well.

Again, it takes a second to decide to drive or not while impaired, but a lifetime of regret should something bad happen. THINK about it . . .


Sorry to hear about your loss.

I think you hit the nail on the head with the phrase "impaired driving" . You are not driving at your best when stoned.
Because we drive everyday we forget just how much subconscious thought is involved . We dont respect just how hazardous it is is and how much damage can be done.

We make thousands of judgments and quick decisions on every journey anyone who thinks their driving isnt negatively affected is kidding themselves and happily risking the lives of everyone they cross.
 

Tranquility

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Sorry to hear about your loss.

I think you hit the nail on the head with the phrase "impaired driving" . You are not driving at your best when stoned.
Because we drive everyday we forget just how much subconscious thought is involved . We dont respect just how hazardous it is is and how much damage can be done.

We make thousands of judgments and quick decisions on every journey anyone who thinks their driving isnt negatively affected is kidding themselves and happily risking the lives of everyone they cross.
I have never driven under the illegal influence of alcohol because of something that happened to me very long ago. My buddies and I were together on my friend's birthday and we all realized he was the youngest--even though we were all just 21. We decided Vegas, baby. We pull down some mini-bottles of schnapps and take a shot and then started home to make a bag to go. When driving home, remember I only had one drink a moment ago, I got to a stop sign. I came to a full stop and looked to my left to see if there was any oncoming traffic and found none. I started past the limit line to turn right. Suddenly, out of the corner of my eye, I saw some motion and decided to stomp on my brakes. Apparently, a kid was going fast on his bicycle on the wrong side of the street and he would have ran right into my car if I had continued out. It was a moment.

Now, I imagined what could could have happened and how I would have felt if it did. Even though the kid was in the wrong, it could be said I also have the duty to not enter past the limit line until safe. If he would have been hurt, I would have always asked myself if there was something else I could have done to not let it happen. If I had not have had that drink, would it have mattered? Then I imagined what would have happened if the police did come to scrape up the kid. Would my breath show I was drinking? Would I be doing FST circus acts by the side of the road right near my house? Who would see me?

Sometimes we can be scared straight.
 

flotntoke

thoroughly vaped
My views wont be popular because we like to hear what we want to believe...

but i can tell you that with 16 years experience as a firefighter specialising in Road traffic accidents , i have attended some horrific accidents where the drivers have clearly been stoned. ( if you smoke yourself you can spot the signs )
Once youve seen a few innocent lives forever changed by someone who couldnt control their need to get high you soon change your mind.

If it was just you on the road then sure go for it but when you have to share the road with other drivers, cyclists , mothers with strollers etc in my view its beyond selfish.

There is no doubt that it reduces my sharpness and reactions you are changing the way your brain works when you get high. I failed 4 driving tests as a teenager because i was stoned. Took it the 5th time sober and passed.
I cant convince you other wise but just ask yourself if you may be deceiving yourself because you want to believe its safe. ...just like all the drink drivers that tell themselves they are fine to drive.

Ask yourself how you will live with yourself if you skipped just one of the hundreds of red light you come accross and smashed into, killing a young mother or had a single momentary lapse and didnt look to the side before pulling out crushing a child cycling to school. You would always ask yourself till the day you die if it was because you were stoned.
I have enough near misses when im not stoned !!

Just my thoughts

I hear what you and others are saying, but think most are talking about STONED, as in blitzed. Fully agree no one should drive in that state for their own sake and even more the sake of others.

But, it's easy to have a light relaxing buzz - especially with vapor and some of the excellent portables out now (VC & Mi, my personal favs). Just as I'll drive after a glass of wine (or maybe two depending on time spent & food) at dinner, I'll vape a small load or head out after vaping at home.

Does it impair my skills, attention or driving capabilities? I'm sure it does - even if just a little bit. Does it impair me any more than stress or being overly concerned about other things? I'd say usually not. About a month ago I stopped at a red light like it was a stop sign, then pulled off across the intersection. TOTALLY STUPID ASS and was very lucky no one was coming the other way during rush hour in a small city. But, I hadn't even vaped in more than 20 hours. I was worrying about some work bullshit and not paying attention. After I got done freaking out at myself for being such a total dumbass, I detoured to the less traveled path for the rest of my commute and casually took 3 hits from my Mi. Say what you will, but I would say I was a better driver and more attentive to my driving after those hits than before.

Also, let's be real here. There are plenty (MILLIONS!) of dumb MFs out here that shouldn't even have licenses because of how poorly they drive. The ones that are just aggressive or assholes could probably do with a few hits themselves to chill out and make them realize the minute or two they're going to get to their destination sooner aren't worth the risks, or being such a dick to others on the road. But most, who are just lost in their own world like they are the only ones on the road, are already driving way more spaced out and inattentively then I would ever be (even stoned), and are already way more dangerous than I'd be after smoking a whole joint or pushing 3-4 full loads through my vape.

I really got a kick out of the story about failing driver's tests stoned. Things were a bit different for me (tho some 30+ years ago). I had driver's ed in HS right after lunch. So, I was way more stoned for every session than I'd dare drive now. My driving partner (always 2 students & teacher) was a stoner, too. He and I were two of the biggest potheads in the school and would typically inhale at least 1/2 a joint each in our daily lunch group smokeouts with others - usually more than that. We also had no issues in our driving sessions. The one time I drove with another student - a goody two shoes type - she totaled a mailbox on a three point turn, and went the wrong way on a one way road (thankfully in a nearly barren mall parking lot). These were outside of a few times where the instructor had to hit his brake pedal (on the passenger side), which he never even reached for with my stoner friend or me. I was along during her regular time in the morning, so not stoned - and wishing I was!

So, does my light vaping on the road make me more like the girl who was so freaked at being behind the wheel she couldn't keep it together, or the idiots out here every day that are too caught up in their own little worlds to be good drivers? Yes, sure it does. Does it make me a worse, or less attentive driver than I would be without vaping? Sometimes yes, and sometimes no. But, does it relieve some of the stress of a rough work day, or brutal hour long each way commute? Hell yeah! Or, make those occasional several hour drives on the highway much more pleasant? Unquestionably!

Over the years I've had a few fender benders and a couple pretty bad accidents. Was not buzzed in the least in any, and all but one were not my fault (20 years ago tapped into someone from behind at 5 mph with bright sun in eyes and didn't see brake lights). I've also avoided many more with good reactions, both buzzed and not buzzed, as I'm sure everyone else does. Hell, that happens weekly if not more often.

I guess what I'm saying is it comes down to slightly less reaction times or attention while buzzed. I tend to pay a little more attention when buzzed because I know I am. But, even with that I'll admit that my brake foot may be a few milliseconds slower. IME milliseconds don't often come into play - a full second might - but I, and assume others, aren't losing that much reaction time. With all factors weighed, I'm probably better off with a few hits to chill, and others may be too. But, it's not for all and you have to be grown up and responsible about it. Some can do that, and others not so much.

DUI is DUI whether alcohol or weed. You're asking for trouble with the law, and putting yourself and others at risk - often fatal risk. But, that shouldn't take away from DWR (driving while relaxed) and keeping your attention and senses in the right direction. The only downside IMO is that I could get pulled over while actually vaping and be facing DUI charges, even though I'm nowhere near that. Those concerns only grow with THC swabs or other technologies that are being created. If I have a beer or two after work, and my BAC is below legal levels, I'll get a warning to be careful and be on my way. Breathalyzers and proper procedure should take care of all that. I fear the same will not be true with MJ detection during traffic stops, at least not for years as testing will probably be true/false; yes/no.

Be careful out there, safe and responsible. It's your responsibility as a driver for yourself and the rest of us out here on the roads. Watch out for LEO if you're doing anything remotely illegal. But, please get off of the high horse saying that I, or anyone else, is a danger to society (other drivers, people on bikes, mommys with strollers, etc) for taking a few vapor hits to chill out while trying to navigate the roads with all of the other idiots and assholes we all have to deal with every time we get behind the wheel.
 

Baron23

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My views wont be popular because we like to hear what we want to believe...

but i can tell you that with 16 years experience as a firefighter specialising in Road traffic accidents , i have attended some horrific accidents where the drivers have clearly been stoned. ( if you smoke yourself you can spot the signs )
Once youve seen a few innocent lives forever changed by someone who couldnt control their need to get high you soon change your mind.

If it was just you on the road then sure go for it but when you have to share the road with other drivers, cyclists , mothers with strollers etc in my view its beyond selfish.

There is no doubt that it reduces my sharpness and reactions you are changing the way your brain works when you get high. I failed 4 driving tests as a teenager because i was stoned. Took it the 5th time sober and passed.
I cant convince you other wise but just ask yourself if you may be deceiving yourself because you want to believe its safe. ...just like all the drink drivers that tell themselves they are fine to drive.

Ask yourself how you will live with yourself if you skipped just one of the hundreds of red light you come accross and smashed into, killing a young mother or had a single momentary lapse and didnt look to the side before pulling out crushing a child cycling to school. You would always ask yourself till the day you die if it was because you were stoned.
I have enough near misses when im not stoned !!

Just my thoughts
This^^^ is the writing a mature, responsible, and conscientious person.

I believe I may have mentioned it earlier in this thread, but I used to fly fast movers in the USAF (like in the last geological era...long ago) and there is NO DOUBT in my mind that ANY intoxicant reduces judgement, situational awareness, and responsiveness. I certainly would not want to get on an A300 for LA with a flight crew who are buzzed on ANYTHING. I rather keep that in mind about my driving.

We all each have to bear any consequences from our actions. The problem is when others are forced to to pay a price for our actions...like the person we t-boned at 40 mph because we accidentally ran a red light.
 

nomadicsoul34

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I have never driven under the illegal influence of alcohol because of something that happened to me very long ago. My buddies and I were together on my friend's birthday and we all realized he was the youngest--even though we were all just 21. We decided Vegas, baby. We pull down some mini-bottles of schnapps and take a shot and then started home to make a bag to go. When driving home, remember I only had one drink a moment ago, I got to a stop sign. I came to a full stop and looked to my left to see if there was any oncoming traffic and found none. I started past the limit line to turn right. Suddenly, out of the corner of my eye, I saw some motion and decided to stomp on my brakes. Apparently, a kid was going fast on his bicycle on the wrong side of the street and he would have ran right into my car if I had continued out. It was a moment.

Now, I imagined what could could have happened and how I would have felt if it did. Even though the kid was in the wrong, it could be said I also have the duty to not enter past the limit line until safe. If he would have been hurt, I would have always asked myself if there was something else I could have done to not let it happen. If I had not have had that drink, would it have mattered? Then I imagined what would have happened if the police did come to scrape up the kid. Would my breath show I was drinking? Would I be doing FST circus acts by the side of the road right near my house? Who would see me?

Sometimes we can be scared straight.

Well said! A close shave there ..those are the moments thats can change lives....l
Almost doesnt bear thinking about other than as a reminder to stay sharpe.
Over a million road deaths annually ....yet we do it with hardly a thought.
 

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
I couldn't have said any of these recent posts better myself with regard to not buzzing behind the wheel. Actually ... I beat it to death in this thread when it first started.

Many folks equivocate when they discuss this with comparisons like...driving buzzed is better than driving sleep deprived and that's not illegal.

I never understand those comparisons...when you're driving a 3000 lb weapon shouldn't you be at your best if you can be?

To be fair though I did answer on the opposite side when someone implied I might be doing a "holier than thou" and that was...."You wouldn't drive buzzed if it was an emergency to save someone in your family"...my response was "You're damn right I would".

EDIT: The last time I drove high is what convinced me I had to change up. After 40 years of gettin happy I vaped as hard as I could and on the way home it was dark and I actually felt like I was in the painting of 'The Scream'. Not because I was terrified ... it was because the visuals and eeriness were so damn similar. I thought after 40 years I couldn't get that fried AND it didn't register until I was 5 minutes up the road.
 
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waxdab23

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Damn, visuals from vaping weed? Yikes.

Just curious, those of you who have commented in this thread recently - how long do you consider is an acceptable wait after vaping before driving? 10 minutes? 2 hours? The next day?
 
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WeAreVenom

I vote for marijuana
I do it all the time because I'm a burned out druggie (or vaped out, because fuck combustion).

I just don't recommend it. You're always better off sober behind the wheel. ALWAYS! NO MATTER WHAT!!! There's no such thing as "driving better stoned", I will never condone driving under the influence. NEVER!
 

flotntoke

thoroughly vaped
Well, ya know, that's just it. There is plenty of "driving better stoned" - or at least lightly buzzed. Not always for anyone, not ever for some, but often enough for many. Whether burned out/vaped out druggie or not, a couple whispy hits of vapor can smooth your ride.
 
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His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Damn, visuals from vaping weed? Yikes.

Just curious, those of you who have commented in this thread recently - how long do you consider is an acceptable wait after vaping before driving? 10 minutes? 2 hours? The next day?

Depends on how much and in what fashion.... I'd say vaping at a mid-level for me would require a minimum of 2 hours wait time......and a cup of coffee to clear the residual tired feeling.
 

EverythingsHazy

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Many folks equivocate when they discuss this with comparisons like...driving buzzed is better than driving sleep deprived and that's not illegal.

I never understand those comparisons...when you're driving a 3000 lb weapon shouldn't you be at your best if you can be?

To be fair though I did answer on the opposite side when someone implied I might be doing a "holier than thou" and that was...."You wouldn't drive buzzed if it was an emergency to save someone in your family"...my response was "You're damn right I would".

EDIT: The last time I drove high is what convinced me I had to change up. After 40 years of gettin happy I vaped as hard as I could and on the way home it was dark and I actually felt like I was in the painting of 'The Scream'. Not because I was terrified ... it was because the visuals and eeriness were so damn similar. I thought after 40 years I couldn't get that fried AND it didn't register until I was 5 minutes up the road.
For the first part, I've said the same thing in this thread. Finding something worse doesn't make other things any better. Is it ok to slap someone in the face when you are arguing with them? No. BUT you could've punched them, which is worse, so it must be ok, right? Still no. You shouldn't do either.

For the second part, if you are put in a situation where you have to drive buzzed to save a family member's life, that's just a choice of priorities. First of all, what are the odds of someone dying in each situation? Second of all, when your family is involved, do you even care about the odds of someone else dying? I'd bet a lot of people would blatantly choose to sacrifice an innocent stranger to save a family member, let alone just put one at risk.

Finally, for the last part, I agree, again. Cannabis can be a bit unpredictable at times, due to being affected pretty strongly by so many factors (individual strain, set/setting, hydration, blood sugar, energy levels, etc.). Sometimes, the exact same amount of the exact same strain, can hit you differently, from one day to the next. It might be rare if you are a multiple-times-per-day user, but it can definitely happen.
 

flotntoke

thoroughly vaped
Like I said above...

... But, it's not for all and you have to be grown up and responsible about it. Some can do that, and others not so much...

...Finally, for the last part, I agree, again. Cannabis can be a bit unpredictable at times, due to being affected pretty strongly by so many factors (individual strain, set/setting, hydration, blood sugar, energy levels, etc.). Sometimes, the exact same amount of the exact same strain, can hit you differently, from one day to the next. It might be rare if you are a multiple-times-per-day user, but it can definitely happen.

Sure, that can and does happen, but have never experienced it in 35+ years of use after three hits of a weak-ish unnamed strain I've had in the stash box for a month or so. I usually grind my travel tin for a few days use (and very little of it on the road). Don't think it's hard to figure effects of 3 hits in the same vaporizor I use it all in - whether on the road or anywhere else. And, while it may be a little different depending on what I've eaten, how much I've slept, and other factors, it's a very consistent buzz. Not like we are talking about edibles or dabbing, here.

This makes me an irresponsible, horrible member of society? Does the same apply to anyone who doesn't cruise at 55 mph in the right lane with the radio off and no other distractions (unruly kids in car, eating, drinking a cup of coffee, applying makeup, talking on the phone, texting or playing on the phone, etc, etc)? Seems a bit militant to me, and very judgemental while lacking facts or knowledge about my or anyone else's particular situation.
 
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Krazy

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Yep, at this point it seems like we are talking past each other....never the twain to meet.
+1

Ideally you shouldn't be driving unless you are 100% mentally and physically. You shouldn't be tired or hungry; too hot or too cold; changing the station on the radio; distracted by thoughts of your kids or work; buzzed on coffee, sugar, or carbs.

Should people simply not drive when they have a cold or allergies acting up? Are they more or less impaired if they use antihistamines to treat that? Look at the potential side effects for insulin; diabetics should not be allowed to drive. Look at the statistics for impairment in those working rotating shifts; medical interns and paramedics should not be allowed to drive. Dizziness and nausea are the most common side effects of prescription drugs in general...


I do not advocate anyone getting lit up and driving. But for people using it responsibly and medicinally? Lots of those are safer drivers with than without.
 

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Can we agree on the lowest consideration point being .... using and driving should be restricted to 'have to' versus 'want to'?

I've been tempted to joy ride in a convertible, with a good buzz, top down, feel good music playing on a nice sunny day .... but I don't. I just leave out 'the buzz' even though I know it would be awesome.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting driving buzzed is ok. I'm just trying to see if/where folks draw the line.
 

Squiby

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I never drive intoxicated. If I need to take to the road then I wait for an hour or two to straighten out.

My road trips represent either a two minute jaunt on a country road with no traffic followed by a one minute drive down a mountain into the nearest village, or a hour long highway drive to the nearest town or city.

Either way, I prefer to drive straight with all my faculties intact.
 

Choughed

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Driving home from town for me is an hour of mostly farmland. Occasionally a bird needs reminding to get off the tar, achieved by honking the horn and slowing down if they didn't get the message. I hate hitting anything! Turtles and frogs are a hazard at certain times of the year, snakes are at the moment.. Goanna are rare but cool. I have driven home and taken a few hits on the way a few times. It's awesome how it makes the journey seem much shorter. No wildlife has ever been harmed, I drive slightly slower and more carefully without becoming frustrated or bored by the process. I dunno.. If that makes me a bad person, I already am a criminal in my country just for possessing MJ. So, yes, I'm already a terribly bad person. I've had to come to terms with that. But I'm not putting anything or anyone at risk by my actions, certainly not as much as when I have used my phone (I've used Zello on occasion) or when driving home tired and / or stressed (default=stressed). Ideally I would never have done any of those things, driven with both hands on the wheel at all times, always with shoes on, and never stressed or upset.. Ideally. I'm so glad that I don't have to drive often anyway. Once or twice a fortnight is quite enough. I can't wait until horse and buggy is the standard method of transportation. ;)
 

nomadicsoul34

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Anyone know anything about the police tests here in the Uk?

I read that the on scene saliva test is 2micrograms per litre of blood and so we could in effect be done the next day despite being not under the influence. This is followed by a fine and ban perhaps even more.
I have also been told any amount found in the blood after an accident could invalidate car insurance , as it stays in the system so long this is obviously a concern for those that dont drive whilst stoned.

Thoughts?
 

kellya86

Herb gardener...
Anyone know anything about the police tests here in the Uk?

I read that the on scene saliva test is 2micrograms per litre of blood and so we could in effect be done the next day despite being not under the influence. This is followed by a fine and ban perhaps even more.
I have also been told any amount found in the blood after an accident could invalidate car insurance , as it stays in the system so long this is obviously a concern for those that dont drive whilst stoned.

Thoughts?

I'm not 100% sure on the laws these days here in UK....

My rule is don't vape in the car so it smells, and don't drive like a dick, And you should be ok...

Don t give them a reason to swab you...
I'm not sure if a swab is standard procedure after an accident now...

As far as the law is concerned, we are all driving high, as the law has no understanding of how cannabis works...
It's very wrong and people are losing licences and jobs due to this....

As cannabis becomes more mainstream the laws might become more considerate...
 

nomadicsoul34

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I'm not 100% sure on the laws these days here in UK....

My rule is don't vape in the car so it smells, and don't drive like a dick, And you should be ok...

Don t give them a reason to swab you...
I'm not sure if a swab is standard procedure after an accident now...

As far as the law is concerned, we are all driving high, as the law has no understanding of how cannabis works...
It's very wrong and people are losing licences and jobs due to this....

As cannabis becomes more mainstream the laws might become more considerate...


It seems the police are confused . On the one hand they turn a blind eye for small amounts on the other if tested the day after returning from a holiday in Amsterdam i could be convicted and would loose my job and therefore pension and probably my house and my family would suffer for years.
They have a zero tolerance policy here now. If you fail the swab ( ie youve consumed within 24-48 hours) you will be tested at station and any amount in the system is considered a breach of the law.

As i mentioned here i am against drug driving but the Uk law is crazy and i am sure the officers themselves have no idea how to interpret the results and be discretionary.
I didn't even know the police did swabs until recently.

All this being said as an emergency services worker have seen more people than i can remember arrested on scene after road collisions and have yet to see anyone swabbed.
It would be just my luck though to return from Spain of wherever its perfectly ok to consume and get pulled on the way home.
The Uk law is pathetic on this issue.
 
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