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Cowboy Extracts - Made with non-polar solvents?

Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by california burrito, Apr 20, 2014.

  1. california burrito

    california burrito carne asada, french fries, sour cream and cheese

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    My roomie went and picked up a new kind of extract artist now available in San Diego. They're called Cowboy Extracts, and supposedly, their claim to fame is that they make wax with non-polar solvents, which leave no residual solvents at all.

    Here is a pic of what he picked up: http://i.imgur.com/sY1RA9n.jpg L-R is Blue Dot, Joker OG and Kosher Kush.

    Now, the reason why I say "non-polar solvents" instead of specifying which one, it's because we haven't gotten a straight answer on what they actually use.

    All of the dispensaries say they they are made using "supercritical fluids". But they differ on what fluid it actually is. One place says it's CO2, which I think is BS, since all CO2 waxes I've seen are saps, and they're in syringes. One place said it's just Oxygen. The most common answer (3 places so far) have said they use Nitrogen.

    What's strange to me, though, is that Cowboy Extract's webpage doesn't mention using any of these. Regardless, two places claimed that Cowboy Extracts is tested by SteepHills-Halent. I asked how I can view the results and am waiting for a response.

    Regardless, I was surprised at these. They're appear to be very quality, and taste and smell good. The Blue Dot especially smells very piney. The Kosher Kush sparkles in light. If California ends up banning concentrates made with BHO, this might be the way wax is made in the future. Assuming my roommate isn't being lied to, I could definitely see this taking market share from BHO products.

    Best of all, it was only $25 per 0.5g.
     
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  2. farscaper

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    BHO.... is non-polar solvent extract is it not?

    Not so much that your getting lied to as much as slanged to death.
    "A rose by any other name would still smell so sweet. "
    Butane is a non polar solvent
    Alcohol is polar
    Co2 is a supercritical fluid
    Oxygen is really rather new....

    But it seems to me that it could just be a butane extraction.
     
  3. 215z

    215z Well-Known Member

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    BHO is already illegal, and using a different solvent isn't going to change that. Health & Safety Code 11379.6 makes it unlawful to engage in the chemical extraction of a substance as part of the process of manufacturing a controlled substance. There are no exceptions to this codesection for medical patients, like there is for possession/cultivaton under the Compassionate Use Act 1996 (prop215) or the exception for limited distribution under Health & Safety Code 11362.7 (sb420 2004).

    I love extracts. I love cutting edge processes. I wish extraction artists ("compounders" under H&SC) were straightforward with their process and tools. At times I am resentful of their deliberate obfuscation and withholding of information. I hold dispensaries in low esteem that sell stuff without knowing how it is made. Personally, I don't see how hiding their choice of solvent really does anything to keep them out of jail. Chemical extraction is a crime and withholding the choice of solvent doesn't go very far in hiding the fact it is in fact a chemical extract vs a mechanical extract.

    I agree with the previous poster, that what you have sounds like good clean BHO. I love the "clear concentrates" sold at my neighborhood dispensary, and they too pretend its some new-age whiz-bang high-tech extract that isn't BHO.

    Which gets to the next point - who cares? We as customers don't give a shit if it is legal, we love our QWISO and BHO and won't spend substantially more effort to get FMCD-grade ice-water extract. I think big business appreciates the certainty of doing business that is not illegal under state law, and we all benefit from vendors with "big business" scale. I used to tell myself that for the investor-funded companies to work with extracts, it will have to be with state-legal (and therefore 100% mechanical) methods. TetraLabs and OrganaLabs prove that Big Biz doesn't care either - and the best approach to dealing with H&SC1179.6 compliance is to ignore it completely.

    The now defunct Market Street Coop in San Francisco used to carry solvent-less extracts (to cater to their immune-compromised clientele), to be honest I always thought they were too yucky. But they were 100% H&SC compliant, and maybe all it needed was a good subzero dewaxing. I imagine a clever lawyer will be able to distinguish, to a jury of our peers, mechanical dewaxing vs chemical winterization.
     
  4. Caligula

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    I remember when everything was "co2 extracted" when dispensaries were getting busted left and right a few years ago. The clubs thought by labeling it "co2 extracted" (even when its clearly not), it would save them if they got busted or something...

    That's since stopped... or at least I thought so until I saw your post. Also, honestly, that looks exactly like the BHO Budder I bought the other day.

    Anyway, if you want a concentrate that isnt made via chemical extraction, check out the Matt Rize Ice Wax. Stuff is bomb, and you can even dab the (high end) stuff. Also tastes amazballs.

    Downside is that newcannabisrepublic is the sole distribution co-op in SD and they are out of stock ATM.
     
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  5. california burrito

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    My bad, I thought butune was a polar like alcohol. But this just confirms my suspicions when most of the places couldn't agree on what was used and Cowboy's own site doesn't mention it. It makes me wonder if their claim to have absolutely (one place says 0.000% lol) residual solvents is true. I certainly don't feel any harshness, but like @Caligula said, I'd have rather pick up NCR's budder/crumbles they just had...they were saying the lemon skunk only had like 2 ppm...
     
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  6. california burrito

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    So currently what we're dabbing is illegal, no way around it? How is it we've been able to use BHO products and disp could sell them? Recently NCR took down their Weedmaps page, saying some places got raided and patients arrested for concentrates...could that happen to everyone since we're technically breaking the law as it is?
     
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  7. Caligula

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    This.

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    I think it might still be on sale until 4/26...
     
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  8. california burrito

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    oh i was talking about the FAF ones
     
  9. SD_haze

    SD_haze MMJ Vaporist

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    Simple possession charges for "concentrated cannabis" using "solvents" are still going down here in San Diego. I haven't purchased any kind of oil in months, be it BHO, CO2, etc. I still don't feel like there's a real risk, unless you're regularly vaping concentrates in public or drive with it.

    I've just been sticking with bubble hash/icewax & kief because they don't qualify under the concentrated cannabis law :peace:
     
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  10. Caligula

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    I know, I got that too.

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  11. farscaper

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    Lol currently in some places all of it is illegal.... concentrated or not.
     
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  12. lwien

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    Cowboy Extracts?

    Someones been hanging out on Brokeack Mountain a bit too long.

    Next up, we got some nice aromatic Santorum Extracts for ya......Yum....:p
     
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  13. 215z

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    Standard disclaimer: I am not your attorney, this is not a legal opinion.

    Possession and distribution of all cannabis products is illegal under United States law, and anyone involved is already subject to arrest, prosecution, and forfeiture of their assets. Because the United States has limited resources to regulate this conduct, those of us in legal states who are not trafficking in large quantities really don't give a shit. We sleep at night high as a kite not because what we do is legal, but because we do not anticipate any trouble.

    At the state level, this careful interplay between regulator resources and our giving a shit also plays out. The State of California, specifically, does not have the resources to enforce criminal sanctions against quickwashers and blowers. However, county sheriffs and city chief-of-police, in counties that can afford it, who want to crack down on this, can. Here in Alameda county, there is pretty much zero chance that you'll get nailed for blowing 'tane. The San Diego sheriff, on the other hand, believes that recreational cannabis use is a very bad thing, and medical marijuana is just a a flimsy excuse for recreational use. And, he can afford to divert resources to doing this. Sweet guy.

    That said, if you find yourself in trouble, it is entirely possible you will get nailed for every wrongdoing, just because they want you nailed to the wall. For instance, when I drove with a busted rear brake light, OPD pulled up by me, wound down the window and yelled "hey buddy get that brake light fixed!" . I'm pretty certain, however, if I had instead been caught driving drunk, the officer would have ticketed me for the light and any minor violation he could find.

    Long story short. Yeah its illegal, yeah I don't care. Unless dispensaries nearby get busted, dispensaries aren't going to stop selling to me. (it is very annoying having 215z show up regularly asking, "where's the oil?") They will continue misinforming or lying to us customers, probably because that's how they've been doing business all these years. Dispensaries still insist that I am contributing a cash "donation", and they are providing me free medicine as a member of the collective. For some reason, the folks who get themselves into this business years ago lied to themselves about selling marijuana to paying customers - even if it is on a sliding scale. I've gotten used to this, but this is America, you can not put lipstick on a pig for a Maxim cover. You don't have to call a spade a spade, but no matter what you call it trust that Uncle Sam knows it is a spade.
     
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  14. Caligula

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    Actually to clarify, NCR took down their WM menu because LE was subpoenaing WM for dispensary info which then turned into patient info. The owner of NCR actually referenced a specific case where said information was used search the house of a female patient in her 50s... where they found "under 2 grams of BHO" and charged her with (what I assume is) manufacturing. She (the owner) further went on to say that because of this her attorneys suggested they pull their WM page. And remember, BHO and such are illegal under both federal AND state law here in CA.

    Anyway, their WM page has since been put back up for whatever reason.

    @california burrito @215z
     
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  15. ash_the_slasher

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    Actually, Cowboy Extracts is made with absolutely no butane. It's extracted with the elements Oxygen, Hydrogen, and Nitrogen through a closed loop system. If you ever want to know about a product, just go directly to the source and ask them. Absolutely no butane in all 100 strains of their wax.
     
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  16. DogBoy

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    ...thanks for posting that....

    ...people were doing a bit of speculating...

    ...would a system like the terpenator be usable with those cowboy gasses...???...
     
  17. Detonator

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    Interesting, how did you get the info? I don't see it mention on there site - but I could be missing it?

    http://cowboyextracts.com/ - Do you work for them?

    Anyway my pops @Paul 8888 in SD says he like this stuff it would be cool to know more about the company, and there method.
     
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  18. Caligula

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    Interesting. That poster seemed to sign up just to make that one comment then disappear. LOL she even was kind enough to mention that they have "100 different strains of wax". ;)

    Quite honestly, I get lab tested concentrates so I'm not really interested in what solvent was used. This allows me to focus on things like stability, texture, and flavor. All things Id like to see more info on regarding the stuff in the OP.

    I'm in SD and I've never seen this stuff?
     
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  19. darkrom

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    Would love some more info from you/them. Interesting post to join and defend a specific company. You must work for them or simply be a fan.

    I'd love to know how they are the only ones with this new revolutionary method. You'd think that people would be talking about that if it wasn't a crock.

    In todays world solventless means "well theres no solvent in it now hehe". Not long ago all BHO in cali was called CO2 oil because apparently BHO was illegal and CO2 wasnt. Now people are claiming to extract with oxygen, hydrogen and nitrogen...without any proof of that. Sorry for being the resident skeptic, but I've developed a lifestyle of "believe it when I see proof" after being lied to by so many people/companies about SO many things in this industry.

    I'd love to see more on extracting using just what you mentioned, because your post is the first I've heard of what I'm going to call "atmosphere hash" lol.
     
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  20. Been Vapin

    Been Vapin Crushing it for years

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    10 years ago "Budder King" would tell you how to make his "budder" for something like $50k to $80k. These new "extract artists", for the most part, are very similar to the old " Budder king". Won't even tell you what's in the stuff, never mind the technique.

    Same shit, different day. You want make some solvent free goodness, look up rosin, it can be made very quickly and easily.

    I haven't heard of pink dot in years. Good to know its still kicking around.
     
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  21. hishighness

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    Did a quick google search and doesn't look like she's related, just likes their wax:
    http://ink361.com/app/photo/ig-770529150031697069_313758652

    Someone responds to her "Hahahahahahahah you know how contradictory that is how how clearly little to know true info you truly know? ash_the_slasher more thank 85% of cowboy uses NORMAL BHO TANE. Hahah not even this pure n tane, I know this beacuse I know the owner of cowboy extracts personally, Alex. Beacuse I'm a atmos rep and have Been to many shows and trade shows with his company. Lol soo get your facts true and finalized hahaha you sounded so dumb right there I just couldn't not correct you

    So still no idea who's telling the truth. Personally, if a company doesn't specifically say what solvent they're using and instead uses buzz words (eg: solventless/"solvent free" not referring to ice wax) I assume they're full of it. I can't imagine any reason they would withhold the specific solvent unless they think it would hurt their business, it's not as though by releasing that information people would be able to copy their techniques.
     
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  22. 215z

    215z Well-Known Member

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    for absolutely unprofessional reasons, I hope she comes back to FC
     
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