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Discussion in 'ABV' started by IdeaJ, Aug 8, 2012.

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  1. IdeaJ

    IdeaJ Member

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    Hi all,
    I'm looking to get one of those fancy e-cig, vaporizers, that will allow me to use the atmos or now universal cartridges. I get my oil in a syringe so I can fill the thingy easy if I have to.

    What I don't know is what style I should get & what is a good price for a good working model. I see these http://gentlemansvapes.com/ guys with really nice looking stuff but it seems really expensive. Then I see the http://www.delta9vapes.com which look like kids toys with the colors & are just as expensive.
    I read that someone found the same thing of both models in a chinese non name brand for $20...is this how the market works, like clothing?

    From someone who knows please,

    • What is the best model for smoking the thinner oils?
    • What should I be looking for in an oil vaping pen?
    • What is the best model regardeless of price?
    • Whats the best cheapest model?
    • Any advice for a 1st time buyer?
    I won't be using it all the time but I will be leaning on it I'm sure.
    Thanks Brothers & Sisters.

    really no one here knows anything about these? Any help would be great, even a link to your fav, no words needed.

    mod note: Please do not make back-to-back posts, use the edit button. Posts merged. Please do not post just to bump your thread, especially when barely an hour has passed.
     
  2. StickyShisha

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    i like Omicron's carts for oil. I use them on the O-Phos (3.7v with USB pass-through)

    now i want to try the Dart (TV) for more of a "load as you go" big hitter
     
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  3. IdeaJ

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    Thanks Sticky. Just what I needed to get me started. Now I think I know what I'm looking for.

    After me reading it seems that there is two good models for my needs. The Omicron 2.5 & Thermovape. I loved that Dart piece.

    My last question is this.
    At my dispensary they sell preloaded carts for the Omni. I have read about being able to use them on other pens but can't tell if I can on the thermovape?

    Do you know if it just better to load it yourself for cost savings of are the preloads usually a good deal?

    In the the Thermovape, can I put a bunch in at once for a few days or is it a few drops at a time?
    Thanks,
    J

    Hey Mod thanks for the note but your math is off. I bumped after a day and some hours. Not 1 as you suggest. Just FYI.
     
  4. OF

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    Not to quibble, but that's three last questions, right? And I doubt it's really the end......

    In general, preloads are OK but you'll get better oils cheaper if you load them yourself IMO. I've done both. A lot.

    Yes, you can run Omicron carts on the TV supply, you'll need a thread adapter, this one:
    http://www.electronic-cigz.com/51ad.html

    IMO this gives you 'the best of both worlds' as you can unscrew the DART and have a loaded Omicron cart up in no time at all.

    No, Revolution/DART are best not overloaded (they get slow and 'muddy'), load something like 50 or 100 mg of oil at a time, say a dozen solid hits? Omicron carts can hold 10 times as much, but meter it out in smaller doses usually. If you go to high power carts to get 'bigger clouds' you often end up with leaks and burnt oil in addition.

    As a bit of free advice, I'd watch the 'bumping', it's not allowed on this forum. Likewise, red text and questioning the Mods in general are also good to avoid IMO.

    And you're welcome, thanks for remembering the manners.

    Good luck.

    OF
     
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  5. IdeaJ

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    Ya I noticed after I posted it was more then 1 question. Thanks for your help.

    After spending (literally) a day reading I feel like I understand more & know less.

    Before your post I pretty much decided to get two machines but that adapter link is a big help.

    When I started looking at all this I was only wanting prefilled carts. Now I want it all. I think (currently) TV offers the most option. Dart, Omicrons carts, good working base, (although ugly & not stealthy). All in all best of all worlds IMO. My only gripe is no usb pass through. Still looking at maybe getting a different base but worried about not matching volts & ohs & such. Was looking at the O-phos base (thx stickyshisa).

    To be honest I'm shocked more people aren't Frankensteining. It seems that each company makes one aspect very well while the rest ...not. Why hasn't anyone come up with a mix & match kit of the best parts together or a one kit for all your needs solution.
    Its was like skateboards when I was a kid (early 80's). You never bought an all sims deck nor an all Powell Peralta kit. You bought the P&P Deck, the Indie trucks, the Sims Wheels, T&C deck tape, etc.

    Just seems no one company has got it all right yet & seeing that everything somehow screw together we could be getting the very best without compromise by using different companies.

    (Feel bad not going Omicron with all the support here.)

    And thanks for your advice OF!

     
  6. Espo

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    I too am looking for a 'pen style' vape for concentrates. I am looking to use oils and wax but am also very confused how this all works. I've watched multiple YouTube tutorials and review as well as read multiple threads here and other forums.

    I am leaning towards the Gentleman but am still very confused which model to pick because they all come with different parts a d cartridges.

    Maybe because I don't understand what all the concentrates are and how they are purchased, but from what I 'think' there are different viscosity of oil and then there is wax (which is almost a solid).

    Like the gentleman brand offers different cartridges: hash oil atomizer, honey oil cartomizer and tincture tank, what is each used for? I can't comprehend how the oil is put in the oil atomizer without it going everywhere.
     
  7. OF

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    First off, you're welcome, glad to help if I can.

    I don't think it's a matter of nobody having it 'just right' as much as a matter of no clear unconscious of what "right" is. Some are clearly out to make a profit from the cheapest thing they can offer (they tend to sell e-cigs either stock or lightly modified). TV, in one camp, is driven by materials selection and 'medical grade' construction and quality. D9 is trying to make a complete 'model for every user' line. Each approach has advantages and disadvantages as you point out.

    I advise avoiding machines designed and made for other tasks (lets out a lot of 'makers'). When it comes down to TV and D9 (which I think it naturally does), there are thread adapters available.

    I think Revolution/DART is top of the heap for vapor quality and user control of performance (although it does need reloading often). Omicron, OTOH, feeds well ('no brainer vaping') but when pushed past the modest levels it was originally designed for (the eternal quest for yet 'bigger clouds') oil taste usually suffers and leaks often plague the effort.

    Given that Revolution/DART seems to run best on the TV supply, I think that's a reasonable way to start. This also gives you the option of bubble and solid concentrates. However, for a five dollar adapter and ten dollar cart you can add Omicron features to the game as well. Should you have concentrates that feed well (they don't all.....) you're in fat city. Otherwise, you're still in the game.

    Seems that almost everyone that goes for one of the modified e-cigs ends up regretting it, some sooner than others. There's a clue in the length of the threads on the device specific forums.

    I advise against this vape. For some of the reasons you cite. It's at best a compromise.

    Here's the brief run down. Concentrates are just that, the good stuff separated from at least some of the not useful stuff. This can be as simple as collecting the kief or trichomes (where the resin usually is) mechanically. Sifting through fine screens, either dry or wet, is used. Lots of ice in the water bath will freeze the trichomes (the fuzz on the good buds) so it snaps free and sinks. This is often called 'bubble hash'. It can then be dried and pressed into solid lumps as is traditional in the parts of the world it normally comes from (like Lebanon, Afghanistan and so on). It sores well and 'smokes' fine. Typically these might be say 30 to 50% THC.

    Solvents (alcohols, Butane, Hexane and CO2 (under extreme pressure) are probably the most common) can be used to further concentrate stuff. Each solvent also dissolves other things like plant oils as well. And of course all the solvent has to be removed (called purging) before use. This might get the concentrations up to the 50 to 80% range and ends up giving you a liquid which might be very thick at room temperature. Done carefully, you get a near solid, often called 'shatter' because it will that is pure but sometimes hard to work with. For instance, it doesn't feed well in Omicrons often. Most are thin oils (from thinner than syrup to solid enough at room temperatures to pass for waxes. These guys tend to feed well in Omicron if they're thick enough. Thin ones are still a problem there, but Revolution/DART which absorbs the hot oil into porous ceramic rather than try to feed it up a wick 'does it all' well.

    The 'extra stuff' will eventually foul the works. Omicron carts you just replace, TV carts you can boil clean again and start over.

    When you go to buy it, look for high THC content (less other stuff to cause problems, more 'bang for the buck'). Favor waxes and thicker concentrates for ease of handling. Look for lighter color (less chlorophyll and other 'plant junk'), avoid those with any solids with Omicron. A good test is to put a tiny bit on a bit of aluminum foil and heat it with you lighter. Look for it to completely melt and flow freely followed by completely evaporating and leaving no residue. The residue will eventually kill your cart or force you to stop the fun and clean Revolution/DART loosing .2 grams or so in the process.

    To feed well in the e-cig carts it's normal practice to dilute the oil down with PG or VG as is done with Nicotine so it will feed well. Typical 'strong' prefills are 1/4 oil (and not always the best grade). Think about it, 3/4 of what you pay for won't get you high and you'll end up with about half of that still soaked into the cotton batting in the cart when it runs slow. I'm not kidding, you can literally get 5 or more times the THC delivered for the same money with the purpose built gear. Your money, your call.

    I think you can find the bucks to go with the purpose built vapes from D9 or TV now, or go cheap, fight it for a while and give up (bad option) or abandon the effort and go with 'the big dogs' then?

    OF
     
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  8. IdeaJ

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    That sums it up for me.
    Looks like I will go with the TV Dart & the adapter for the omicron carts. (Met an old Hempfest friend who is loading medicinal Omicron carts & will hook me up for cost.)
    Also, TV has a 25% off sale till end of summer. Use Code: SUMMERTIME

    Seems I can now look forward to purchasing & enjoying the learning curve.

    Thanks for all your help!
     
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  9. OF

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    You're welcome. BTW, think about ordering a spare battery or two. It's a mighty handy thing to have when the vaping action starts to slow. It's easier to get carried away with DART I think, and Omicron carts seem to take the undervoltage better. You get started enjoying it, loose track and put more in when it seems slow (when the problem is really battery giving up) and then you're overloaded with a dead battery......

    A good rule for Revolution/DART would be to question the battery charge when you decide to put more in, it might not need more oil, just a little fresher battery. When I'm not sure, I swap the spare in for a test hit before loading. If it improves I leave the charged battery in and don't add oil. If it doesn't change much, I swap the original back and top up with a bit more oil.

    Sounds like a great connection, should take a lot of the questions out of Omicron carts....which is good.

    Good luck.

    OF
     
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  10. Errl

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    Yo OF just wanted to say thanks for talking about this adapter being around! I KNEW that some day someone would figure it out!

    I'm now using a "SmokTech Epower 14650" which is very similar to the Omicron V2 with 2.4omh Omicron cartos. Paid $40 for the epower kit and another $15 at the local dispensary for an omicron cart and I couldn't be happier. This thing fuckng rips!
     
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  11. IdeaJ

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    Great advice on the batteries. I will be doing that for sure. I'm a rechargeable addict.
    Now my last question.... I think.
    Which do I get LV or HV & remember I want to use the omi carts. When I buy a pre-filled do I have to match ohms or ???
    Thanks again for all the help.
    Since I own a Wellness clinic I can get distributor pricing on any vapes! let me know if I can return the favor.
    J
     
  12. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    First off, you're welcome, glad to help.

    Go with LV, there are way more options open that way.

    All the prefilled carts I've seen or heard of are 2.4 Ohms (at one time the only ones available, they weren't marked because there was only one value, you still see them), you want to start there. After you become an expert (and I mean that....) you can consider going to 1.5 Ohms (which you'll have to load yourself of course), but you need skills to keep from making a mess of it. Too easy to overheat and burn the oil and end up with all that lovely concentrate leaking everywhere......

    Start with the LV Revolution/DART kit, add an adapter and some Omicron carts (2.4 Ohms) as the urge strikes and you'll be in tall cotton.

    OF
     
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  13. IdeaJ

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    thanks again
     
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  14. Jdog

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    i would look into the Executive vape
    http://gentlemansvapes.com/oil-pen is the link i'm pretty sure
    it's cheaper than any comparable vape out there, and it comes with cartridges already which is a plus.
    i have a few other vapes and they have been collecting dust cause this one kicks so much a$$

    plus, their style of oil cartridges are waaaaay easier than any othher kind to fill - i used to waste so much trying to fill the old kind
    also, if you ever want to change it up they have attachments that work for weed too
     
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