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CCA Liger banger V3.0

Discussion in 'Vapor Related Equipment' started by mrbonsai420, Oct 7, 2016.

  1. Monsoon

    Monsoon Well-Known Member

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    I pointed mine at a light and looked for light seeping through and the single hole for me is the second from the left which seems to be the tightest draw for me. So for those whose draw is loose you may want to double check the exact alignment for you start playing with toothpicks.
     
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  2. dizaster096

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    Flip the air flow insert its backwards it was like that for me too, it should be most restrictive to more open in order. (left to right)

    I run 2 holes open, second slot to the left.
     
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  3. LazyIdol

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    Thank you for this advice. I totally had mine in backwards. Learning a bit more each dab.

    Starting to get the hang of the angle adjust too.
     
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  4. dizaster096

    dizaster096 Well-Known Member

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    I always had my storm cap in the dab then cap config but i switched my storm cap around so i am doing both at same time. To get the right height i set the tip of dabber to the bottom of insert and screw cap down till its capping but not being pushed up by tip of dabber then tighten the nut.
     
  5. Monsoon

    Monsoon Well-Known Member

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    Just tried it, looks like it's machined to only fit one way. All the holes are there just in a different order, mine goes from left to right 4, 1, 2, 3.

    Aside from minor nitpicks I've mentioned in the thread, I'm really loving it so far and that's coming from someone who didn't like the v2. If I want to milk it without going too high, I'll get quickly spread the dab across the surface and then cap it at the single hole setting. It might be a bit better with the storm cap since I think it offers a more complete seal based on what others have mentioned here. At least for the moment I consider the taste on the Liger sapphire to be better than the D-Nail sapphire but I'll have to revisit that once I've been using it more and get used to it. Haven't used the SiC much yet since there are only so many dabs in a day but I'll try it out soon.
     
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  6. herbivore21

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    I am finding that my carb is most restricted using the first notch from the left as my airflow setting. I have noticed that every setting past the first one leaks noticeable vapor out the top of the carb in between inhales when left on the nail. I definitely do not find use for any temp setting except the first.

    I don't like the size of the hurricane cap, since when it gets hot, it is a burn risk IME. I will say that compared to the d-nail and HE dabber handles, the traditional ball and stinger handles (which do have great tool utility!) are short! Short enough that your hand is uncomfortably close to a hot and large carb cap mass. I have burned myself on this once or twice. Not terribly but it does make me miss the d-nail unviersal 2.0 carb, which was very small, lightweight and had an angled intake hole that allowed for airflow which moved the dab around the dish without having to move or touch the cap. I don't have any of the multi-piece liger handles so I'm not sure if these are longer, this might resolve this issue.

    If I use a longer d-nail handle on the hurricane cap, I find that it is still something that I don't wanna use a few dabs deep. Turning it around after applying the dab to the dish has led to a small handful of burns from a still-hot carb cap from previous dabs.

    The stand-out carb performance for the Liger IME is with a large boro marble. The top lip of the final 30mm banger is flanged and this allows for a marble to sit in a way that very little airflow gets past into the dish and you get a cloudy, super restricted hit. It is my favorite way to use the liger and I am grateful for Josh including this last change to the final unit (I think I've read other/s remark on this too but it is worth repeating the praise)! It is exactly the effect I used to achieve with my d-nail cap and it overcomes my issues with the liger carb cap.

    I love how easily the polished sapphire qtips clean, but I do find spreading the dab is harder on this one compared to the sapphire halo (the wick surface really did work here and I do miss this feature), much like qtipping because of the insert sitting loose in the banger and being able to spin freely as you qtip or apply a dab.

    I understand why you guys prefer the 20mm for use with the hurricane cap - makes perfect sense to me as you'd have a lot more useful movement. I find that much side to side rocking of the hurricane cap on the 30mm liger opens the seal too much and makes for vapor loss.

    I do not regret the 30mm unit at all though. I don't think I'd prefer the 20mm over the d-nail sapphire. I may actually prefer the 30mm liger over the d-nail sapphire for what I'm usually dabbing though! I'll see how time effects that view ;)
     
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  7. Danksta

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    I agree with the awkwardness of the hurricane cap. I've already put the word in to Josh to let me know when storm cells are available. I wish I had a marble like @herbivore21 to play around with. I know the main thing holding me back is the cap at this point. It just doesn't seal enough for my liking. There has only been one dab where I hit the sweet spot and got a seal and the milk was so good. I have not been able to replicate that dab ever since.

    One of the things I LOVE about the 30mm is the view. When I combusted I mainly owned sherlock pipes. I liked to watch the herb burn as I puffed. I got used to that in my ritual. The liger is so big and the sapphire so clear that I get to see action I usually only get to see on macro videos on IG or youtube. It's friggin' awesome! Way cheaper than buying a macro camera and setting it up myself.

    That's one of the appeals of the 30mm for me.
     
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  8. Monsoon

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    I'm finding the hurricane cap gives a better seal in certain positions, try turning and angling it and then try to remember the position during your dab. Pressing down and applying pressure seems to help too.
     
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  9. dizaster096

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    The falling water pressure pushes vapor out of the cap when not inhaling at least on my rig. I do little dabs and try to get all of it in one hit.

    Sounds like you need the master cap with dab+carb config so fingers aren't close when inserting concentrate. That's what the finger saver attachment is for on the new v3 master caps, Attach it to the end of lose threading in dab+carb config. V2 caps don't have the finger saver and skeleton handle is pretty cool to touch in the dab+cap config.

    Surprised people are saying they don't like hurricane cap. Yes it looks bigger but to precisely turn the storm cap and lift it then return it to its locked position on liger is way more difficult from the looks. Ordering a master hurricane cap tomorrow, Rest of the v3 body in the future for hell of it. :D

    For anyone who has not bought the liger i recommend getting any master carb cap the heat retention on skeleton handle and adjustability of them with tips is great, Along with being able to flip its configuration so your dabbing and capping at the same time. V2 tips kinda suck because all of them are giant, luckily he ditched pretty much all of them lol.

    @Monsoon
    Strange for me it's different. Its 1 2 3 4 holes open normal not in order flipped. If you take out the restrictor and look at one side should be perfectly flat while the other should have a slight grooving around it, Flat side touching nut is correct. It ain't gonna affect anything but it's easier to tune when in order.
     
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  10. mrbonsai420

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    I actually don't use the 30mm except for Monster Glob occasions, Like at least .2 globs and I think the 20mm really might be better for that. IMO the 20mm is just better. And not just a little better, A LOT BETTER. I don't hate the 30mm but it is not in the same league as the 20mm IMO. I think the 20mm V3 outperforms the 30mm in every way, especially with the Hurricane. If all I had was the 30mm I would be buying a 20mm bucket in a hurry. But I have voiced this extremely strong preference from the beginning. I have a TON of CCA equipment and while it is a fantastic nail, The 30mm and 20mm are not in the same league to me. Anyone out there who is about to buy one and just thinks bigger is better, trust me on this one, you want the 20mm.
    If other beta testers WITH BOTH SIZES disagree with me please chime in. I have just been using the Liger for a very long time (Original V1 beta tester) and I just feel like the V3 20mm is the best nail CCA or anyone has ever produced for an Enail!
     
  11. Monsoon

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    If I put the flat side down I can't get it flush. Kinda weird but it works like that so not a real issue.

    I may actually order a 20mm v3 bucket and SiC insert just to compare, the extra cost isn't too bad as an add-on. Do you know if there's an FC coupon on the new site?
     
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  12. Cannabis Connoisseur

    Cannabis Connoisseur I LOVE LIFE

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    AWESOME! I prefer the 30mm for numerous reasons, the most important would be the Vaporization! I get better fuller hits with the 30over the 20. I'm still at 600degrees and I will admit before getting it to where it is, i was totally unsatisfied with the performance. I was pissed because it didn't seem to work at
    all. Now i never use my 20mm even tried to loan it to a friend. The sheer size just makes it more comfortable for me. And i would never do a .2 dab! I take small dabs always so i can finish in one pull. I never post vids but you guys are gonna make me!
     
  13. mrbonsai420

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    My 30mm performs more or less just below my 20mm, It's still pretty awesome, just not as good as the hits off of the 20mm. You have seen both videos, you can be the judge. I'm really glad there are people who prefer both! In fact I still use my 16mm a lot on the road!


    30mm Sapphire
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BNcscp3hFRJ/?taken-by=mrbonsai710&hl=en


    20mm SiC

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BNPRZESBc4O/?taken-by=mrbonsai710&hl=en

    Or

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BMvA_y5Bi0I/?taken-by=mrbonsai710&hl=en
     
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  14. Monsoon

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    Sounds like the 20mm might hit better due to smaller volume and more efficient heating that comes from that.
     
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  15. Danksta

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    You guys are driving me crazy haha :rofl:. Do I stay or do I go? lol.
     
  16. herbivore21

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    Agreed man, all of this is what I'm saying too!

    Cheers for the suggestion man!

    The master cap/dab and cap tools I was told are not super effective and may be prone to stick to full melt and take a long time for the dab to melt off (I'd have to use the shovel tip). I don't like this kind of design either - I'd much rather apply the dab with the dish visible so I can be sure I spread the melt around and get efficient boiling. A broad diameter dish is only useful if you can make use of all that surface area!

    I also don't like the chunky handles, they really don't look like what I want to use, I have come from using a very light carb that requires no hands on it when in place and no movement to achieve airflow that moves your dab around the dish. The problem for me is a heavy dabber with a very big handle and gigantic cap - that holds too much heat for a very long time - that is awkward to flip, lift and move around that requires my free hand to be constantly in use and moving. I don't wanna focus on spinning the cap while I medicate. I wanna close my eyes and focus on the flavor! YMMV.

    I think that the problem here man is you prefer the hurricane cap and the hurricane cap just doesn't work ideally on the 30mm bucket. Some of the angles you can swivel it to cause an incomplete seal and/or vapor loss. This is going to cause incomplete/slower vaporization, whispier hits etc. When using a marble with a very complete seal, I get noticeably thicker rips.

    I believe that those using a hurricane cap on the 30mm bucket are likely to get lackluster results and be forced to do things like @Monsoon pressing down harder to hold the cap in place and also to use certain angles only (I don't wanna put that kind of weight down on a large heavy piece of metal hanging off the GonG joint of my expensive worked rig btw!).

    20mm will have a more restricted flow since the dish is narrower, this will give a sense of bigger clouds too btw (especially combined with the hurricane cap which will get a better seal on the 20mm). :2c: Still, I need more hot surface area to melt every flake of full melt I pour into my dish. I couldn't even do that pour with a 20mm dish, I'd spill material over the sides. For my needs, the 20mm wouldn't make the Liger a preferable proposition over the sapphire halo (whose angled air intake hole and wik surface greatly assist in spreading the full melt around to melt up quickly before the boiling phase). The 30mm on the other hand, does provide some benefits that out weigh the cons so far :) :peace:
     
  17. Cannabis Connoisseur

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    To each his own, I may be the only person who prefers the 30 over the 20 and that's fine. I'm just letting the people know that there is at least ONE person who prefers the 30! My dabs are at least half the size of @mrbonsai420 and I get bigger voluminous hits off the 30. Every time I pull out the 20 it stays out for 20 min and gets put up. Just my :2c:
    Popular opinion dictates 20mm! Don't listen to me I'm not popular at all and don't ever seem to coincide with the Masses in opinion. I'm not instagram , facebook, twitter, kik,or any social world other than FUCKCOMBUSTION:clap::rockon::nod::science::peace:
    EDIT: I am using the StormCell cap on my 30 right now and as long as you don't keep the air intake threaded to far in the bucket the Stormcell cap works better than the Hurricane cap. And why do you guys move your cap around after getting a good seal? I spread my dab around the bucket slowly while inhaling then cap and it hits better. I dont let it drop like it used to. I found spreading it gets me bigger hits once again just my :2c:
     
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  18. herbivore21

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    To be fair man, I think you are not as alone as you suspect here. I am FC only just like you and folks usually listen to my input :) Don't need an instagram to be heard ;)

    Which cap are you using out of interest BTW?

    EDIT: The reason people move the cap around is to simulate a vortexing airflow, air that does not come directly downwards, but at an angle instead will spread your dab around the dish leading to more even vaporization (this can be achieved with cap designs that do not require touching or moving the cap during use - the d-nail universal 2.0 carb cap does this). The problem is that the hurricane doesn't have much range for spinning on the 30mm and much of the movement range leads to a very incomplete seal - this limits the usefulness of the hurricane in this way for 30mm users.
     
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  19. Cannabis Connoisseur

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    I alternate but the Stormcell is capable of sealing better in my opinion
     
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  20. mrbonsai420

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    I alternate also, I keep both carb caps out. I like a variety and I always have a cold one lol. I'm Really glad some people with both prefer both! That means there is a need for 2 sizes. And you are right, Hurricane cap is better for the 20mm and the Storm Cell better for the 30mm really. But I just got an upgraded 30mm bucket and it is a little better than the beta was for the hurricane.
     
  21. alittledabwilldoya'

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    Agreed.
    I have one rig that pushes out noticeably more vapor post-dab than my other rigs.

    I started dabbing on a DNail Halo.
    With it's large surface area, ease of viewing and flat coil operation (which from a thermodynamic standpoint is good design) I had no interest in the 20mm V3 Liger.
    Especially after having a lack-luster experience with the 20mm V2.

    So when I got invited to beta test, the only bucket I ordered was the 30mm with all associated inserts.
    Thank God Josh sent out a 20mm V3 bucket as well!

    Over the last ~7 months I've had access to both buckets and a full arsenal of inserts.
    I have definitely used the 20mm much more than the 30mm.
    Which disappointed me, as I had hoped that the 30 would be the best.
    But I'm pragmatic; I already had the industry's best dabbing surface: DNail Sapphire Halo.
    Which sat idle almost as soon as I received the V3 Liger bundle and started using the V3 20mm w/ Sapphire insert.
    Using the V3 Liger yielded notably less reclaim than when dabbing on the Halos (same surfaces respectively).

    The 20 does mate better than the 30 with the Hurricane cap.
    But to be honest, I find that I use the Stormcell on both sizes much more often than I do the Hurricane.
    It's easier to hot swap inserts when using the 20, and it's easier to dabncap with the 20.
    The 30 affords more open airflow and easier viewing of one's dab than the 20, and obviously more surface area.

    Until the last few days I would say the 20 beats the 30 hands down.
    But after receiving my finalized 30 bucket (sans shroud, still expecting that which should improve function even more), I'm having a difficult time choosing between the two.

    If I was forced to choose, right now ... I would go with the 20, but I still want my production shroud for the 30 and more time to test!

    :science:


    @herbivore21 I had similiar issues with regard to dabber size/balance apon my transition between DNail and Liger. Do you have the Stormcell yet? it's quite a bit lighter than the Hurricane cap.
    But to be honest, I still got more complete vaporization if I rotated the DNail cap when dabbing, not necessary, but even with the Wik surface it still seemed to help.

    I think that I might pick up one of the forked dabbers; I've had my eye on them for awhile.

    :leaf:

    Edit to add that I have not "made a transition" from DNail to Liger as I still use a Halo in my travel set-up that gets daily love:

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  22. Cannabis Connoisseur

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    I've definitely noticed different rigs will determine the volume of the hit as well. This is a MAJOR determining factor. My Ball Rig gives full white beautiful unrestricted hits time after time. Other rigs depending on whether their percs chug or they are too free flowing, will perform differently.
     
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    I like to call @mrbonsai420 videos "Dabbing around the house" with MrBonsai

    Each one seems to be shot in a different spot. Makes me feel like I am on an adventure =P
     
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  24. Monsoon

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    What bad luck I just had. After q-tipping my sapphire insert I noticed some fluff in there and thought it went into the intake. Wanting to get it out quickly I added a bit a reverse pressure to the bubbler to try to puff it out. Apparently I added too much and water started to pour into the bucket and sizzle like mad. I knew exactly what that meant and that there was nothing I could do to stop it. I looked in after and sure enough it looked like someone had struck the insert with a hammer :o. It popped out intact but it's ruined now. Not sure yet if I'll replace it or not. I've got the SiC as well so I'm not dead in the water.
     
  25. alittledabwilldoya'

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    Sons of Bitches!
    Oh man, I am sorry.

    :/
     

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