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Discussion in 'Cooking with Cannabis' started by Zorro420shouldbefree, Feb 9, 2012.

  1. Zorro420shouldbefree

    Zorro420shouldbefree Member

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    Here is a thought that I have been rotating in my mind.

    In order for liposomal delivery to be effective, it merely needs to form an emulsion with the Lecithin.

    The most effective CBD treatment is supposedly the juicing of the raw entire plant: but if heated accidentally it becomes monster strength THC.... Not good if you are trying to take a large dose.

    What if you juiced a fresh Harliquin (or high CBD strain) plant, and put it in a ultrasonic jewelry cleaner with Lethicin. This will effectively create an emulsion with zero heat because of the subtle agitation.

    Would this effectively make that CBD juice up to 10x effectiveness, and the emulsion help to preserve it for a couple days? Imagine only needing a dropper full 2x a day for your chemotherapy.

    Real medicine.
     
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  2. lepstadder

    lepstadder Well-Known Member

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    could you just use ABV?
     
  3. Zorro420shouldbefree

    Zorro420shouldbefree Member

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    My thought is to extend and amplify the healing power of the raw juiced extract of a high CBD plant.

    Vaporized will have already been heated, and will therefore get you high as fuck. My idea will not get you high at all - other then the CBD effects.
     
  4. scottio19

    scottio19 scotty

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    do CBD's not need heat to be activated like thc? Wow, never heard that before but I believe it.
     
  5. Zorro420shouldbefree

    Zorro420shouldbefree Member

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    Supposedly both THC and CBD in raw form are most effective in Cell rebuilding and supporting health. Once you heat them, they become psychoactive and begin to get you so fucking high that you could never receive a proper therapeutic dose. If you have one shotglass of raw cannabis juice (about a plants worth), that is a super-effective dose. But if you heat it, its like eating 70 cookies, oops. So you could never get enough CBD to be a truly effective dose...

    Look up "juicing raw cannabis" on youtube.
     
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  6. asaghost

    asaghost Active Member

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    It sounds like an idea worth trying. If I can make an attempt next month, I plan to try.

    The Angel Tears (.ca, on YT, etc) recipe / tek intrigues me, too. It requires basic equipment that I do not have, though. Making it with high CBD strains seems like an obvious next step.

    I have MS, and want to fix my body. CBD might actually help. THC feels more like a convenient side effect LOL
     
  7. snew

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    I'm glad to see this come up. I actually have a jewelry cleaner coming tomorrow. It appears we've been reading some of the same stuff.


    http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/YFCHT92Sxx0iZL3qkjb0WdNaN-X3f1j_CbkoDXVCWdMEnRncDJsF_XdaStoy0veUAv3THWWKI6xLrb_gzqqeDrk-vWwnulQ/Brooks%20LET%20method.pdf


    Liposomal Encapsulated Technology (LET) for the DIY'er is an increasingly studies area. Vitamins like C which can only be absorbed in small amounts, about 17% of what is taken is used. And more than 1-2 grams makes most people sick.
    LET binds the vitamin C to the lipid , encapsulating it, and sort of fakes the stomach out delivering C right through the cell wall on the backs of the lipid. Which in this case is soy lecithin.
    The lecithin must be broken down to accept vitamin C. Ultimately (read the link for details) the sonic cleaner vibration brakes down the walls of the lecithin small enough, allowing the vitamin C and Lecithin to bond in a water solution.
    Making oils, tinctures essentially bond THC to the fat, alcohol, or whatever medium is used, binding to deliver the THC. Lecithin has been used in cooking to better emulsify, or blend fats chocolates in much the same way and it is effective.
    All though I did not buy the cleaner for this I plan to use to see how it could develop.
    So you though is to juice the leaves and blend it the lecithin in the cleaner. This could potentially make THC available in a water base rather than having to use a total fat base. The thing is most of the stuff used for juicing (fan leaves, etc) have little THC in them. I don't know it would have enough THC to bond to significantly alter the juice, Which more than likely would not be watery but would be a thick sludge as the Lipids break down.
    First I thinking if taking about an 1/2 oz. of sugar leaf and small bud in ice water and run the cleaner for a while to see if the vibration may be good for separating trichomes from the plant material. Ultimately I think the most practical to try bond the lipids and THC would be to use hash. It should first be decarbed and then in could be blended with the lecithin in either a water or fat solution. This would allow less heat, if any, to be needed to create the oil. Less heating of the oil will extent the life and taste of the oil or butter.
    So this is just thinking out loud but I believe there is an application waiting to happen.
     
  8. SnidelyWhiplash

    SnidelyWhiplash Well-Known Member

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    Well done Snew. Keep in mind, the cleaner will heat it a little, use a piece of ice in it.
    Just juice the freshly cut leaves, and combine in the cleaner with the lethicin and ice.

    IT works. Not as potent as taking a full shot of juice, but positively strong anti-inflammatory effects from mere drops in many different people. Boom baby, make it. And YOU DONT GET HIGH!

    Mind you, if you heat it, you do get high - off LEAF JUICE!
     
  9. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke/Blender Vaporist (v3.1)

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    Warm salutations Zorro420shouldbefree,

    I've explored a compatible subject a while ago so you're getting my undivided attention: some cannatonic on it's way!

    :tup:
     
  10. snew

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    So
    So Snidely do you juice regularly? Have you tried the lecithin in the Ultrasonic Cleaner? Do you use the fan leaves only? How long have you done this? How long til we get there? Sorry got caught up there. Whew
     
  11. SnidelyWhiplash

    SnidelyWhiplash Well-Known Member

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    Yes, Yes, and Yes. I also chew on a fresh nugget if allowed. I am not a grower so I am at the mercy of my friends, but that equates once a week for fresh shots of juice and the CBD/lethicin drops daily.

    The shot of juice is fucking uncanny. You feel like a billion bucks and focus on your work. Its AMAZING. The drops are a milder version. I have seen crazy results - people getting off pain meds - poison oak inflammations disappearing in 3 days..

    However, I know the power of a sugar pill, so I think this needs much more testing to be able to stand by results. But the results I saw were fucking wonderful. Really helping people that needed it and not getting them high. From severe pack pain, to heart problems, to cancer, each person that tried had a positive story.
     
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  12. snew

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    Wow that's really interesting. I have back pain, heart problems, diabetes and an Common Variable Immune Deficiency. Those are just most of the biggies but when you have problems like this they grow an multiply. Marijuana has helped me tremendously, my pain is much less. But I still hurt all of the time. I don't want to smoke more weed. I don't work but I can just stay fuck up all the time, or I don't wan to. I generally compost my fan leaves so I it not like I using them. It will be a while until harvest but freeze a bunch and see.

    If you could make some recommendations for dosing amounts/frequency to start with? Do you mix it with any thing or just straight fan leaf juice? When using lecithin what is the ratio of juice to lecithin and how long do have it in the Ultrasonic cleaner?

    Thanks so much for all your time here.
     
  13. SnidelyWhiplash

    SnidelyWhiplash Well-Known Member

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    Just watching that video "leaf" on youtube, It looks like about a shot glass at a time. Dosage depending on severity. I have no severe ailment, just intermittent bad back so really its usually preventative for me. I have a shotglass dropped into a cup of fresh apple juice.

    If you can afford to just drink the juice, do that. Otherwise my idea gives potential hope to making more out of less. It's around 15-25 leaves depending on size to make a nice big shot.

    Lethicin, as far as I'm concerned the more the merrier, its good for you, you can only not have enough. So I have been using about a heaping teaspoon to a shotglass. Running it for 3-10 minute cycles with an ice cube. (30 minutes total). Then I boil some blue dropper bottles and fill em up. Freeze any that you wont drink within 2 weeks.

    This is some pioneer shit, so use your intuition, thats all I'm doing. It all might be hogwash... but the results so far indicate a real reason to try for yourself. You are turning trash into potential fucking priceless medicine. This idea cant hurt to try (unless you are spraying your leaves with nasty shit before juicing).
     
  14. SnidelyWhiplash

    SnidelyWhiplash Well-Known Member

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    also, this should be from FRESH LEAVES right off the plant. Big juicy leaves.
     
  15. snew

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    No my few leaves are all organic, that's not a problem. My thought was to freeze the leaves but I guess juicing it all at harvest makes since. You could freeze then in an ice tray that would be really close to a shot glass amount.
    We will be June before I can try it but I'm excited about it. Thanks for you time and I'll look for that video.
     
  16. Galactus

    Galactus Active Member

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    70 cookie high.. :smug:
     
  17. fake name

    fake name Well-Known Member

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    huh?
    Anybody know the relative permittvity of cbd? Ive notived extracting it into butane to not be nealry as effective as with a semi-polar solvent like ethenol and isopropanol.
     

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