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Bubble Hash Production

Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by Tstat, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. Tstat

    Tstat Dead Foot Designs Accessory Maker

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    Yea, not sure why, but the real Bubblebags so outperform the generic bags I had before. Plus the cheap bags end up ripping.

    OK, I have a dumb question. I am thinking of possibly picking up and oil rig. Now, I don't make oil, so I was wondering if bubble works well as a dab with a dome and nail? The bubble we produce is very nice and pure. It can be molded, stretched, etc. just like BHO type stuff.

    I am just tired of the Eclipse Vape for our concentrates- it tastes like shit. And being a glass guy, I'd love a small rig if it works with this type of product. I'll probably post this somewhere else or start a new thread...
     
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  2. SD_haze

    SD_haze MMJ Vaporist

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    What about a "concentrate slide"?
    http://aqualabtechnologies.com/concentrate-utensils/concentrate-slides.html

    The illadelph brand Hot Hits aren't cheap but the ALT ones are affordable.
    EDIT: (although the two are actually used quite differently. ALT uses a screen and Hot Hit uses a heated up glass wand/rod)

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  3. Puffers

    Puffers Micro-Climate Mastermind

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    God I :luv: those HighDef full melt clear dome shots so sick..... Wait what are we talking about again lol concentrate slides ya that's how I normally see really high grade bubble consumed, with a torch like was probably used in above porn pic or with a hot wand.
     
  4. Bvapst

    Bvapst Well-Known Member

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    Thought this topic could be dig out ! I would like to see results and technique used by fellow vaporist !

    I've been loving the quality you can achieve from ice-water extraction with a bit of work and technique.
    Here is my first run after I tried to get as must knowledge as I could.
    Run from fresh frozen trim consisting of 3/4 of NorthernLighShiva and 1/4 of Jack Skellington grown indoor organic way with fluo bulb (micro grow). Have done only 2 washes (10 and 15min) so I could have get more than this. I tried to remove as much water as possible after taking it off from the bags (without pressing it too much) and I put it one day in freezer before to chop it as fine as I could. Then I dried it in a closet(partly open for airflow) for 1 week. The humidity and temperature for drying wasn't perfect at all but the result seems not that bad :p
    Mine was also more clear when wet than dried but it didn't got blackened. The 38microns was still too wet for freezing and thus got a darker colour I suppose.

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  5. Gunky

    Gunky Well-Known Member

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    Looks good there. You can't really press the water out because it's so amazingly sticky the moment it warms up. I put absorbent cotton cloth under the 25 micron pressing cloth and a lot of the water is absorbed that way. When I'm done or have a lot of stuff on the cloth, I transfer the whole thing (pressing cloth and cotton) to the freezer. After 15 minutes or so in the freezer the resin just peels off the cloth and I break or cut that up a bit on some cardboard.

    In the beginning I used to stir by hand or with a beater for maybe 15 minutes. Now I stir gently by hand with a large spoon for 6 or 7 minutes then do a run with the bags. The next run with same material I stir for maybe 2 or 3 minutes. Same on any subsequent runs. The thing is if you stir too hard or too much, the trichs break, spreading sticky oil on everything which can't really be collected. Too much or too hard also brings in a lot of non-trichome green plant material, which is undesirable.

    I had a set with many bags but I only use the 220 micron working bag, a 120 micron bag to remove impurities larger than a trichome and finally either a 45 micron or 25 micron bag. I toss everything except the contents of the final bag. If you use 90, 45, 25 etc together it all becomes too laborious.

    One other tip: the Solo 1 liter pump spray (model 418) is perfect for filling with ice and water when making bubble. It has a very controllable nozzle which allows you to herd the trichomes into a central area in the bottom of the bag and wash them before you spoon them out.

    I have another 1 liter Solo I use for spraying a mixture of neem oil, dish soap and water on plants early in their growth to prevent molds and rot.
     
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  6. Bvapst

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    I did stir gently for 10 min and then 15 min for second wash. I still have to improve many part of the process !
    Next time I'm gonna try with dry trim (here was fresh frozen) and do some gentle stirring in a shorter time.
    However I'm still going to use the whole kit of bags (5) for a moment. 220 is work bag, 185 to garbage or butter then 90,70 and 38 mc. I find the result from 90 to still be really nice but I'll experiment different combo as I get your point about using less bags.
    Also I suppose that thanks to this your hash don't stay too long in a water which is good for quality !

    A good sprayer is also something I should buy both for hash and plants (I use neem oil as well ;) ). Here I forgot about it and simply used a pierced bottle. Well next time must be better which is a good thing !

    What average return yield do you get with your tech' ?
    We all love picture as well ! :love:
     
  7. Gunky

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    The return I get is very dependent on the materials used. Sometimes I have fed as many leaves in as I could (dry or fresh frozen) in a session running the same material three or four times through a 5 gallon system and got maybe couple grams. Top grade bud trim or small buds might yield 7 grams. I particularly love the bubble you get from males which have indicated. Of course top trim or small buds yield the best, fruitiest, meltiest stuff. I vape my bubble almost entirely (once in a while a bowl of the very best in a pipe is nice) so it actually doesn't matter very much which pore size I use; something small in the 25-45 micron range is good. It will pick up anything the bigger mesh bags like 70 or 90 would have gotten and the upper end for particle size is dictated by the previous bag.

    One thing that is quite fun is to take the light/magnifier which I have to inspect for trichome ripeness on the plants at harvest time and use it to check out the freshly made bubble. A tangle of little trichome globes and stalks!
     
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  8. Bvapst

    Bvapst Well-Known Member

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    7 grams dried from how much material ? Well I get your point so it doesn't matter much... Just to get an idea if you find the 10% return to be true for you. Of course strains and material dependent...
    Personally I'm keeping big leaves for butter and take the best sugar leafs for bubble.

    Males ? Mature males you mean ?

    One of the first thing I did after drying was to take my microscope to investigate those trichomes. I spent a few minute there, outstanding view ! I'm considering to buy a cheap usb-microscope for easier voyeurism.
     
  9. Gunky

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    I haven't weighed the input to the process, just the yield. I generally put as much as I can get into a 5 gallon bucket with ice and still stir. I am pretty sure the yield is less than 10%. Afterwards when all the ice melts and I squeeze as much water as I can out of the material in the working bag I get a solid lump about the size of my fist.

    When you grow from seed after a while the males will often have a few male flowers which indicate their sex. If you want sinsemilla you cut those down before they mature. These make excellent bubble, for some reason.
     
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  10. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl SPACE GOD 宇宙

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    This is less than 10% total before you toss the lesser-quality stuff right? Or is that less than 10% total and then you only keep a bit of that?
     
  11. Gunky

    Gunky Well-Known Member

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    The 10% estimate you hear is I suppose: hash yield by weight = (gross, dry input weight)/10. My best bud is about 16.9% thc. So theoretically if I made bubble with that stuff the yield could approach 15% or something. Practically speaking you almost never use your best stuff to make hash, so you are starting out with much lower THC percentages to begin with. The process involves considerable loss: trichomes break, get stuck on the bags, stuck in the material, wash through holes in the bags, the layer of trichomes on the surface of the bag is too thin to spoon up... I haven't quantified it but I would guess yields are probably considerably less than 10% of the gross dry input weight.
     
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  12. Gunky

    Gunky Well-Known Member

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    I really look forward to the day when the federal legal situation clears up and people all over like us can have their little medical grow and get into making bubble, sort of like craft beers. Medical grows and home-made bubble and edibles are legal by state and local laws where I live (and the feds don't bother with anything that small), but there is still considerable inhibition because of prohibition/drug war so this is still not something you chat about with your neighbor over the fence, which is a shame.
     
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