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Discussion in 'ABV' started by mattman_WF, Oct 31, 2011.

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  1. mattman_WF

    mattman_WF vapor freak

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    Hey all! Been here for awhile but got into some legal trouble and had all of my "items" confiscated. So now im looking to pick up another vape but i cant decide what i want!Im really into the bag vape idea but if it doesnt work out i would want to have whip style in the same unit, i know that narrows down the choices to a very few right there and out of those ive chose the herbalaire if im going that route. Then ive been looking at the myrtlezaps (dont wanna wait for a PD) and i really like it but its the same price as the Herbalaire and doesnt have a bag option.

    My questions are is the myrtlezap more efficient than the herbalaire? For anyone that has a bag vape is it worth it, do you like it? Which is more reliable?

    give me your :2c:
     
  2. weedemon

    weedemon enthusiast

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    sorry your things got taken away. :(

    i have a bag vape, the volcano and while it is nice and gets me ripped, but I find i prefer a whip over bags. they are more tasty imo and i can get a stronger hit from a whip.

    a log vape hover is not the same as a whip at all. they are great for a small controlled dose method of vaporization. not really for monster rips. :p maybe consider a dbv or ssv also?

    for what you said you want though the Herbalaire sounds like the way to go.
     
  3. VaporNation

    VaporNation Vaporizer Superstore Retailer

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    I'm a big fan of the herbalaire when it comes to efficiency... I personally would end up using the whip more than the bags, as I feel it provides a much thicker and tastier hit. Do consider the Extreme Q as well, I like the way the cyclone bowl heats the herb from below and it seems to produce a really high quality vapor.
     
  4. mattman_WF

    mattman_WF vapor freak

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    Ive never been one for huge rips, I have always been the type that believes if your exhaling vapor then your wasting. I was also thinkin about the EQ but ive heard alot of bad things about them and there are alot of things that can go wrong with them which is why I was leaning at the herbalaire.plus even if I get tired of the bags I would most likely still use it alot for large groups of non expierenced vapers. Would you guys reccomend the MZ for someone that builds a tolerance real quick? Im pretty sure im gonna go with the herbalaire i just wanna be 100% because 250 bucks is a good chunk of change for me right now. :p
     
  5. hunterthompson

    hunterthompson Active Member

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    If you don't want huge rips and care primarily about efficiency then MZ is for you! BUT the MZ does not work well at all in a large group. I've had it work successfully with a group of 3 people and it could probably handle 4 if everyone is somewhat patient but over that and it does not turn out well. Especially with people who are new to the MZ or vaping in general, they are going to complain that they aren't getting high and want to just go smoke. The MZ is the best vape for efficiency but does not do well in groups
     
  6. mattman_WF

    mattman_WF vapor freak

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    i do believe the MZ is the way il go then. i usually dont burn with more than a few people and most arnt interested in vaping . thanks for the help guys!
     
  7. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    The HerbalAire H2.1 is, imo, an amazing vape for $189.95 from http://greatvape.com I use it just direct draw but it will blow bags and do whatever else you want. The external pump is great since I just store it away. The design and materials are superior, I dropped mine once and it just bounced and laughed at me :lol: Extraction is superb. Those tiny, angled jets make a little convection tornado in there which is why they say you don't have to grind your medicine, but I still do and use extra screens etc . . . but I even do bubble hash in it, with an extra screen in the bottom of the crucible and one on top as well, max temp . . . so I guess if the Chinese government is using these things to investigate the merits of traditional Chinese herbal medicine, well that says a lot right there as well. I love my HA and will keep it forever.

    Edit: The HerbalAire is truly a piece of scientific equipment. It fits nicely in my lab. :science:

    t-dub
     
  8. mattman_WF

    mattman_WF vapor freak

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    okay im changing my mind again and need more help lol! ive been looking at the zaps, herbalaire, and the volcano. i have no problem paying the dough for the volcano if its worth it. im a all day everyday vaper and i dont just like to get buzzed i like to get BLASTED everytime. as long as the cano is more efficent than combusting a regular bowl then im not worried about efficeny between it and a zap. what would you guys recommend knowing what kind of smoker i am?
     
  9. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Unless you are going to wait for the Cloud I stick with my HerbalAire recommendation. For me the Volcano is overpriced and I don't do bags anyways. Also, if you are a heavy hitter I would stay away from vapes that are more for sipping vapor like the mflb or log style vapes.

    t-dub
     
  10. AGBeer

    AGBeer Lost in Thought

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    I would say your options are the Herbie, ExtremeQ or maybe even the Oracle.

    All 3 blow bags and 2 of them allow the whip/direct draw

    The Zap gives you smaller controlled doses. Its more touted as an efficiency workhorse. :D But sadly is has no bag option. If bag is your bag (and other options are complimentary) then look at one of the afore mentioned and possibly another vape as a backup/portable.
     
  11. charliedontsurf

    charliedontsurf Medical

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    It's been awhile since I used a Volcano, but my feelings at the time were that the HA blows a more efficient, dense bag off a similar amount at the cost of slightly inferior taste. A HA can be had for under 180 off amazon and Ebay and that's far less than half of the Cano classic.

    If you want to spend big bucks for a bag blower, get the new hotness which is the Oracle. Its technology is light years ahead of the Cano, it heats up in 10 seconds and apparently blows a denser bag, and with forum discount it's less money. If you read reviews for the Oracle I recall there a few glowing ones from trusted, experienced members. There were some slight issues about interior quality control initially but those have been addressed.

    So IMO, if cheap: HA, maybe Extreme Q.
    Expensive: Oracle
     
  12. max

    max Out to lunch

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    That's quite a range of functionality and price. I would agree with the above suggestions on bag fillers. HA or Extreme (I like the HA), or even the Oracle, instead of the bag only Volcano. I say 'even the Oracle' because it's about twice the price of the other two, but it would be my #1 pick for bag fill. It has no passive direct draw, but does allow pump driven direct hits while the bag is filling. And the heat up time is more like
    The CRZ is an excellent vape for nice hits while really promoting efficient use of your herb, but the others you mention can supply gulps of vapor, either through bag or whip use, while the log vapes will only give you sips (in comparison), unless you connect it to a glass piece. Considering your vaping preference, I'd go with one of the larger, dual mode units.
     
  13. notmyrealUSERname

    notmyrealUSERname Notmy Well-Known Member

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    mattman_WF:
    my question is whats your tolerance level? take stock of your avg bowl size - and compare that to what vapes will accommodate your dosage. the zaps, have a very, very small bowl which makes them efficient at extracting a lot from a little. how many stems will you need to get to your avg bowl size? the ha has a much bigger bowl but also can extract a lot from a little bit more than a zap. you can also load a tonne more in the crucible for when friends come over! so ha is way more flexible, and can be used in more situations than a zap. whether or not its more efficient depends on how you define efficient.

    i would say that the zap and the ha are equally reliable.


    mattman_WF:
    i am not sure if a volcano is more efficient than combusting - you may find you will use the same amount of product but if you save your abv you should be able to get some extra mileage out of it. the volcano has a very big bowl - you need to use a fair bit to make it work properly. you will use a fraction of the amount in a zap because the bowl sizes are that much different.

    if you like to get blasted you need a heavy hitter that will allow you to blow big clouds! if you want efficiency then get a zap and don't blow out any clouds. i don't see how you can get BLASTED by sipping vapes though.
     
  14. weedemon

    weedemon enthusiast

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    for the big hitters, I'd suggest a:

    - DBV/SSV/LSV
    - Supreme
    - the VX Cloud (not availible quite yet)

    also antoehr thing to consider. whats your access to concentrates like? BHO (Butane honey oil) sounds like something you might like! :) It gets ya blasted every time! :)

    Im a strong believer in BHO! haha
     
  15. mattman_WF

    mattman_WF vapor freak

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    I have a very high tolerance. Ive been reading up around here with all the awsome information. have come to find out that whip vaps will give me the hits that I want and it seems like everyone feels the bags get gimmicky after awhile. Im thinking about a ssv and a mz at the same time. money isnt a problem for me right now so im comfortable spending the cash on both. Do you guys think thats a good idea? ssv for mid grade meds and the mz for the high grade stuff since its super efficient.
     
  16. weedemon

    weedemon enthusiast

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    yeah thats sounds good to me man. this way to will get a feel for what you like too. :p

    SSV is a great choice for your heavy hitter :) covers you for hash and herbs :)

    have you considered a portable vape instead of the zap though? the mflb is also quite efficient. and will cover you for away games ;)
     
  17. max

    max Out to lunch

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    The SSV/DBV and log vapes are very complementary. They've been my main vapes for quite a while. I'll be retiring my SSV in favor of the Cloud, but that one is more money and it would be probably next year before you could get one. The SSV can give you richer hits than the dual mode models, and with the standard connection you have a lot of control. Bags are great for those who are new to vaporizing, but get a little boring otherwise, and the whip performance isn't quite on par with the best whip only models.
     
  18. mattman_WF

    mattman_WF vapor freak

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    ive had a magic flight before. i liked it sept the batteries were to much of a pain in the ass for me. i need to check out this cloud everyone is talkin about!
     
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