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Add moisture to the weed before vaping it

Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by alex314, Feb 24, 2011.

  1. Wizsteve

    Wizsteve Active Member

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    i would say it's the herb moisture wont help add honey oil to it if you can or a drop of non nic e-cig juice
    per bowl .

    i would guess the herb was either immature or someone did a bubble hash run with it before you got it.
    ( use a scope check tric heads)
     
  2. RwaNde

    RwaNde C21 H30 O2

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    Humidity during curing, storing and just before vape must be seperated carefully. What the OP ment is the just before vape humidity level (at least I hope so), although it's important to know what humidity level is best for well cured buds (~60% RH). I love to increase my buds humidity level from a 62% storage RH (Boveda humidity pack) to 72% before vape RH as it gives a nice flavour boost and improved cloud thickness along with increased smoothness. In case I get hold of a shitty selection, I tend go for a 6-8 hrs soaking in 84% RH, then vape it. To improve taste, I just add some lemongrass (pure love). Don't forget, not extra humidity and therefore thicker clouds but more trichomes will get you higher. It's not ideal, but hey, I can't grow mine here in the UK...

    As a post note and fact, same amount from the 84% RH bud gets me higher then its 62% equilient. For some reason.
     
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  3. Jokermachine

    Jokermachine Well-Blown Member

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    What method do you use to reach 72 and 84%RH?
     
  4. RwaNde

    RwaNde C21 H30 O2

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    http://www.bovedainc.com/solutions/herbal/

    I use a mason jar for each category (62%,72%,84%) with a Boveda pack in each. Usually 4-8 hours appears to be enough for the buds to reach the target RH though a full 24hrs soaking might be better.
     
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2015
  5. RwaNde

    RwaNde C21 H30 O2

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    Ok, after a few sessions, I realised that 84% humid buds producing far darker ABV then vaped on 62%, therefore I assume more trychomes were utilized or been vaporized with higher intensity. I firmly think that increased humidy before vaping is equally increasing the potential of the plant material being vaped. I'd recommend going for a trial on this, but never ever store you buds in 84% RH room temp for more than a day. I don't know the timeframe and the exact factors for mold to grow, but better safe than sorry.
     
  6. flotntoke

    flotntoke thoroughly vaped

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    I don't think this is a safe assumption. First, trichomes will be pretty much vaped out with any decent vaporizer producing enough heat and being used properly. Check your ABV under magnification as compared to fresh bud (ground or not). To my eye it usually looks as if all that is left is the "deflated" trichome shell or hull, now an orangish, gold or tan color (if even this). The glistening full bubbles will be gone long before your ABV is too dark. It's not too hard to get to this point and still have pretty green ABV depending on your material, grind and vape.

    Second, with the same amount of hits on the same temperature, a drier starting product will almost always leave a darker ABV. I attribute this to the plant matter heating more without moisture to keep it cooler and "roast" slower.

    Perhaps you get more hits per load before it becomes unpleasant tasting or closer to combustion with the added moisture? More hits will usually lead to darker ABV, too. The added moisture adds more water vapor in each hit, so you will get more hits, or bigger hits, or both. But, that doesn't change the fact that the additional volume is simply steam with no additional actives. More of a vapor "filler", not unlike the additions of corn meal or cobs to pet foods. Nothing wrong with this. Most mixed drinks have fillers too, they just call them mixers. Personally, I almost always like a mixer in my liquor - but not so much in my vapor. But, could see how this would be beneficial to many for smoothing out hits, reducing throat irritation and stretching a session. Similar to the way I'd rather have my liquor with a mixer for pretty much the same reasons.

    FWIW, I store mostly with 62% Boveda packs, then usually dry a bit on a warm surface (cable box, router, stereo amp) before grinding .

    I've also found as others have mentioned above that starting with slightly more moist material will often give a better flavor profile on the first couple hits. I've always assumed this is because the added moisture slows the vaping process initially, allowing terpines to be released at a slower rate and prolong flavor. The same results can usually be had with material at the exact same RH (moisture content more accurately), by reducing the temperature a bit. In essence, by adding (or leaving) more moisture content you are reducing the initial vaping temperature without adjusting your vaporizer temperature. Damned near anything with the ability to absorb moisture will heat slower with a higher moisture content. Weed is no exception.

    The reason I usually dry a bit more than 62% is that my material vapes more evenly, and I believe I am getting more of the actives and less water vapor (steam) - especially in the first few hits. Sort of like drinking your liquor neat, instead of in a mixed drink.

    If you have doubts that the additional moisture is adding more steam, try a moist piece of cotton (or other easily moistened substitute) in your vape. Keep the temp a bit lower than you may for vaping, so you don't get that sometimes awful "band-aid" flavor. You can easily get huge clouds, but they don't do much for you other than sooth your throat. If still doubtful about this, try vaping moist cotton with two different moisture contents and witness the difference in vapor production - and I would assume number of hits before drying out.

    More vapor? Yes. Slower vaping? Yes. More actives (or more trichomes utilized)? No, I don't think so. If you find this to be incorrect, let me know! Water is much cheaper and easier to come by than what I usually vape. But, let us know what water you're using. I don't think any I've had in the past has any trichomes or actives in it at all - unless sipped from my bubbler!

    All other things being equal, I guess the added moisture could also allow for more efficient vaping depending on how much cloud chasing you are doing. You could have the same clouds, but actually take in less actives in each hit. Assume this would have to lead to less wasted active vapor from large clouds. Certainly less actives exhaled (because less taken in per hit), and possibly better absorption because I think the lungs can absorb water vapor more easily than MJ vapor.
     
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  7. RwaNde

    RwaNde C21 H30 O2

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    I was solely after denser ballons, then found the surprising bits. I had a bottom shelf stash with very low potency. The big find is that it was producing more potent ballons on 84% RH then on 62%. I'm using only Boveda packs. Also, ABV appeared quiet a few shades darker on 84% which made me start thinking on how is this even possible. Not even mentioning the 8-10% weight increase from 62 to 84%, which means a little less plant material was being vaped in each sessions. In a nutshell.
     
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2015
  8. flotntoke

    flotntoke thoroughly vaped

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    Just to be clear..... I don't think this is increasing potency or see how it could. You seem to be increasing vapor production, but that vapor probably isn't isn't as high a percentage of actives as without the additional moisture. Same as my gin & tonic has more volume than just the gin in it, but no stronger with alcohol than just having a shot. Or, more closely my gimlet (2 shots gin, 1/2 shot lime juice).

    What type of vape are you using? Do you find you get more bags/vapor per load? I would think the total vapor (MJ vapor + additional water vapor) will be denser in every bag also, correct? Or, the same vapor produced with a slightly smaller load.

    Yeah.. you're always going to have weight increase with moisture increase. This is an old trick shady dealers have used for years. A couple of good mists of water can make as little as 12.5g of material register 14g on a scale.

    This isn't to say you're not getting more potency per bag. Much depends on vaping style. I often see videos of people exhaling huge clouds from their vaping. IME (and a thread or two around here discussing the topic), doing this is at least somewhat wasting vapor. Your lungs can only absorb so much actives per hit (or breath would probably be more appropriate). If you add water vapor as filler and exhale huge clouds, part of what you are exhaling is going to be water vapor also. Less waste = more potency. I seldom go for the big clouds and try to get what I can from most hits, so not an issue here.

    I also wonder what effect, if any, the additional water vapor has on absorption by the lungs.

    However if you've truly found a way to increase potency or actives production with the simple addition of moisture, not only am I going to start doing this - I'm submitting you as a candidate for the Nobel Prize in Alchemy!
     
  9. TeeJay1952

    TeeJay1952 Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't aging increase potency? (curing) Doesn't THC-A morph into THC under correct conditions?
    Some users who are chasing dollars instead of clouds sell their stock as soon as possible. OP is storing under various humidity aging, then adding water. Cannot the increase in steam (potency) be aging and not water add? It would look like the water made bigger clouds but those are just (just?) the transport.
     
  10. RwaNde

    RwaNde C21 H30 O2

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    It seems that water does more than just adding extra vapor - which in my opinion a rather useless feature apart from a general smoothing effect.

    I'm using Extreme Q, loading 0.1 into the filter of the balloon whip for each session. Unit preheated at all times but I let the packed herb sit to warm up for 3 minutes before I start blowing the balloon. Let it be filled fully on fan 2 at a temp of 190 deg celsius. This is the same method I'm using on both 62% and 84% RH.

    Again, in every case the ABV gets darker with denser vapor produced on 84% RH giving stronger high in every single case. On 62%, some plant material stay lighter brown around the edges of the filter which indicates less heat been redistributed to the effected areas - this is a normal phenomenon with cheaper units such as ExtremeQ though, just give it a stir when the ballon is half way vaped.

    "I also wonder what effect, if any, the additional water vapor has on absorption by the lungs." A point here might well worth looking into.

    I'm letting my buds hydrate for a maximum of 8 hours before vape, therefore I think the aging process cannot be induced in such tight timeframe.

    I do suspect that water does an extra job here somehow.
     
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2015

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