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A REALLY Clean Vape...

Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by lwien, Jan 16, 2013.

  1. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    So someone over at another forum came up with this idea, and while he may have been kidding, I think it could be a very marketable idea.

    All of us constantly talk about wanting a clean vapor path, a clean air path. We tout that glass on glass is the cleanest route to get our vapor, but what about the cleanliness and the purity of the incoming air before it gets heated? What if someone designed a vape that incorporated a hepa filter where the air first enters the vaporizer to filter out any airborne contaminants along with a glass on glass vapor path?

    Hell, they could even market an optional accessory that would allow you to bypass the filter and hook up a small oxygen tank for the purist vapor that can be found anywhere. :brow:

    Hey, as crazy as these ideas may seem, there is another level that vaporizer manufacturers can explore that hasn't been done yet, eh?

    A vape such as these would be a perfect medium for those who have lung issues or compromised immune systems let alone those of us that want the cleanest vapor possible, eh?
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  2. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    But we're just vaping with the same ambient air that we are breathing, no? I don't see a benefit to getting a pure oxygen or filtered hit unless your ambient air is contaminated/stinky/whatever in which case you should stop vaping in the stable.

    :peace:
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  3. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but people buy air purifiers all day to put in their rooms, eh? I mean, I don't, but a lot of people do.
  4. Egzoset

    Egzoset Vaporist v2.0

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    Salutations LWien,

    There are many unexplored levels left, IMHO. I wouldn't need to wait for HerbalAire to include such a feature in their present design as it's already polyvalent enough to allow fresh-air filtering if one must have that (i've done that before but total "purity" wasn't my goal, actually)...

    Lets keep all non-essential parts away from the "lungs" path if you see what i mean (e.g. heated cabling insulation, whatever)... We've seen vacuum enter the vaporist scene lately - at a rather heafty price tag as i recall, unfortunately. I myself can imagine a post-heater past some moisturizing injection site, to slow down condensation perhaps, for example... Etc.

    But right now a clear "obvious" path per month would be a nice improvement rally!

    :peace:
  5. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    So vape in a room with an air purifier. I don't see how a vape-specific clean air supply would do anything really.

    But I'm really high, so I respectfully reserve the right to change my mind. Stoner's perogative, y'know. ;)

    :peace:
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  6. Seek

    Seek Apprentice Daydreamer

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    For the simpliest solution, I would take the Volcano filter and put it in the Cloud intake. Could this make it combust? Imo it wouldn't make that much resistance.
  7. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Hahaha.......talk about building an instant escape hatch. :lol:

    (and then I thought, "Hmmmm.........maybe it's just me? :suspicious:" )
  8. newVaper420

    newVaper420 Vapor Enthusiast

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    You know where it would be good? When your outside in a big city, and you really don't want to suck down deep that carbon monoxide from all the cars. :-)

    That's what I thought about when lwien said it :-)
  9. treeman

    treeman Well-Known Member

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    I get what you guys are saying, but to me, unless you were rocking a mask your still breathing that air every second your not vaping right?
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  10. Egzoset

    Egzoset Vaporist v2.0

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    Good point, i yet have to see a vaporizer that works under water!!

    :dog:
  11. Hippie Dickie

    Hippie Dickie The Herbal Cube Manufacturer

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    not unless i know the gas man ... plus it should be certified clean to at least five 9's, eh?

    this is the thinking that keeps me from going to a restaurant ... i know i'm not in the kitchen doing, so who knows what i'll be getting. Except i know they are using the cheapest ingredients they can get. Or stretching better ingredients past their use-by date.

    i settle for all glass and fresh ambient air (i live in the country) and temperature control.
  12. Cymbaline

    Cymbaline New Member

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    I think for the cleanest vapor you have to go with oils and concentrates instead of raw herbal material.

    When you heat raw herb in a vaporizer, you heat up the essentials oil, but you also heat up the 95% of useless organic material and whatever fine debris or VOC it gives off.

    If you go to oil first, you toss the washed herbal material, it's never heated and never enters your body. It's a much smoother cleaner vape all around.
  13. luchiano

    luchiano Well-Known Member

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    Just because oils don't have plant fibers doesn't mean they are "clean". In fact if you heat them up at high temperatures, similar to dabbing, they may be worse due to being so high in essential oils. These oils degrade and can turn into carcinogenic compounds when exposed to a lot of oxygen, and high heat. Remember you are burning an oil, which can cause problems.

    Unless you are vaping at low temperatures to get the essential oils to boil off quickly, without much degradation, using oils for health I don't think are the best option.

    Heating up plant fibers using a vaporizer, are not necessarily a bad thing. There may be other things within the plant that contribute to the cannabis' health qualities. The trichomes are just part of the qualities, not the end all be all. To me I see it as the trichomes being for the head(nervous system), and the rest of the herb being for the body(skeletal muscles). The thing is, the amino acids don't boil off at the temperatures we use, so you don't really get that benefit from vaping, but the fibers may also hold flavonoids that are good for your health. For example the purple color you get from certain bud(anthocyanin) is good for your brain, and cancer prevention.
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  14. that herb guy

    that herb guy Well-Known Member

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    The same argument still stands though. You are walking through the city, breathing much more of the surrounding air when not vaping, so the filter would be moot.

    It's a novel idea, but for the price for the maker and the price added on to the vape I don't know how practical it would be.
  15. Cymbaline

    Cymbaline New Member

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    That's interesting, thanks for the info. I'm relatively new to oil, smoked for years, then vaped for years and recently got a DIY oil / ecig kit, but I'm interested in what other forms of low temperature oil vaping you would recommend. I agree that dabbing is burning, it has to be low temperature yet strong enough for sufficient vapor. I like how portable and discreet oil is, in a single dropper bottle I can carry the equivalent of many grams of herbal material, with the whip and bag style vaporizers I've used, there was always a "dusty" quality to the vapor (the brown stuff that would build up in the whip). I think the butane picks up everything non-polar and leave behind the polar, which would be what would seep out in you boiled your herbs in water.
  16. luchiano

    luchiano Well-Known Member

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    Cymbaline, really all that needs to be done is to make something that allows the oil to separate into smaller fractions to allow hot air to do it's thing. The reason why vaping at temperature lower then what dab users apply, is because the oils congeal when heated up and doesn't allow the air to go through the oil, so a higher temperature is needed to boil the oils, but we know this isn't good. The only things I know about that helps keep the oils from congealing when heated, without using plant fibers, are the volcano liquid pad & chamber, and the Aromed foam glass pellet.

    The secret it to keep the oil separated before heating it up. In other words you can't put a big glob of oil onto the pads, and think it's going to be quick to boil the oil, because if the pieces are too close together, they will melt back into one piece, meaning you would need more heat to boil a good amount at one time. This is easy to prevent by just breaking up the oil/hash into real small pieces, that are spread wide apart from each other.

    Also, because you are using oil, you can start low(around 250f) for the best taste with less degradation, then go high(around 445f) to release the higher end tasteless oils. Once in a while you can start off at 396f-410f if you want a thick concentrated punch of vapor to the face, and not really worried about the lower oils burning at such a high temperature. Mixing it up is a good thing, It keeps everything fresh. The good thing about using clean concentrates is that you can go high in temperature without worrying about getting a bad taste from the plant fibers being heated up, because there are no fibers in it, just oils that boil at different temperatures, and the oils that boil at high temperatures have little to no taste such as thc.

    The brown stuff in the bags, and whips, are most likely just condensed oils that are what we are trying to vape, along with a little plant fibers if you used regular bud instead of oils/hash.
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