A guide to improving the efficiency of your vaporizer

the electrician

Well-Known Member
What you will need:
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1) A vaporiser with an 18.8mm ground glass joint surrounding the heating element. This is a common feature of any hands free box vaporiser (such as the vapor brothers) and many others (the extreme for example).

2a) An enlarging adapter with a 18.8mm female joint, depending on how small you want the bowl to be there are a choice of sizes it can reduce to. The one pictured is a 18.8 to 14.5mm, identical to this one. Other options are 12mm and 9.5mm (which I believe is the ID of most whip tubing).

b) I would suggest getting a downstem in addition to the 19 to 14 adapter to act as a wand and collect you a nice bit of resin. A lot of the impurities (plant matter thats fallen through) will collect in the adapter itself leaving more quality product in the downtsem.

3) a small screen, as small as you can find pretty much.

4) some tubing to make yourself a whip, luckily theres a thread all about it

5) a salt spoon for serving up weed



Instructions:
1) getting the screen into the right shape can be difficult, but I found the best way was to shape it around the blunt end of the glass stirrer that comes with the extreme.
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I managed to wedge it into place using a combination my little finger and a pen to steady it from beneath. Eventually it will look like this:
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2) fit the tubing into the downstem, or over the end of the adpater if youre on the 12 or 9.5mm route.
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3) take a heaped salt spoon of weed and load it up. Im guessing thats about 0.05g give or take.

4) temperature wise, in light of tdavies thread on the subject I like to use a constant 170 C, and get about 7 or 8 hits with visible exhale. For much thicker clouds turn it up to 195 C, you should get 3 power houses before it starts to give in.

5) its finished get wrecked. this will also work with bags if thats what you like



Whats the fucking point?
The majority of issues i have heard concerning the extreme stem from the gargantuan bowl, which can eat up all your weed and can be tricky to get a decent hit using the whip. Other styles of wand help reduce the problem, but still require far more weed than is necessary. with this method you can use as little as you like (im sure the famous 0.025g would work) and still results. there is no need to learn a method, or restrict yourself while inhaling; a fast draw will produce vapour faster and a slow draw will produce it more slowly.


if there is interest i will continue to expand on the subject as and when i find the clarity
 
the electrician,

Samsquanch

Vapor Astronaut
Thanks for posting that pic , it got me thinking that Ive already got the same piece kicking around except the shaft is 5" , so I put a screen in the shaft about a half inch in and there it is. Efficient , nice hits from a "Q" . 10 shafts of the mini hitter = 1 full elbow pack , bout time I got back to conserving herb.
 
Samsquanch,

Samsquanch

Vapor Astronaut
crumple up a bit of screen and shove it 1/4" up the tube , your trying to create a perfect cube of weed , equal depth to distance across the opening of the small part of the shaft . right around where you see the rubber grommet in the pic at the start of this thread
 
Samsquanch,

Samsquanch

Vapor Astronaut


best pic i got kicking around , you should be able to tell where to put the screen by the resin marks , that little clear area before it gets bigger is where "the cube" of weed goes . To load a bowl , use the straw method (suck the herb up with the bowl), and don't try to pack it with your fingers , it doesn't like to be too tightly packed. Then place on your heat source and enjoy , I usually put a chillum on the end



yes, the chamber is empty , you can see the screen better in this pic
 
Samsquanch,

stickstones

Vapor concierge
thanks samsquash...nice pics!

So it's like a smaller elbow pack, but you don't pack it. Have you ever had the weed fall back into the unit? I'd slap the whip on the end of that thing and enjoy it!

I may need to get one of these bowls and try it next to the ssv for comaprison!
 
stickstones,

DeepFried

A Legend in my Own Mind
Looks like a good concept, same thing almost as an elbow pack but "cubing" it makes sense to have the same width and depth for optimal goodies extraction. I have seen these pieces locally, now to remember where...

What is the best way to remove the ABV after?
 
DeepFried,

Son Of A Pitch

vapornaut
So do you use 1 screen only for this method?
I tried someting like this using an ehle activated carbon adaptor http://www.everyonedoesit.co.uk/onl...ive_Carbon_System_Adaptor.cfm?iProductID=5893
But when i took a hit, the herb did the same cyclone action you get when using the original cyclone bowl (which im not a big fan of) so a 2nd screen on top solved that, but as oil built up it got messy too quick from herb sticking to the oil build up because of filling and emptying the ehle activated carbon adaptor. :2c: :peace:
 
Son Of A Pitch,

Samsquanch

Vapor Astronaut
sticks - ya , i occasionally get a few crumbs on the heater , but nothing to cause any problems

deep - abv just blows out easy

son of a - yep , just one screen

Basically , with this set up , I'm using the unit the same way you would use a PD . pack up the bowl , slide it on the heater , then hold the unit in your hand and suck like a milkshake , oh , and don't forget to ramp your temps with this set up to make "bud" last even longer , i find the sweet spot @ 180c.
 
Samsquanch,

the electrician

Well-Known Member
audiodelic said:
Can than this thin wand be used with a DBV/SSV vaporizer ?
the same guy is selling these http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=42665600 which i assume will do the trick with da buddha, i dont see anything compatible with the ssv though.


samsquanch pretty much has it so hes a pro. personally i wouldve attached some tubing to it but to each his own. does all of the glass get hot? also like to keep mine sat on its side so to alleviate the trouble of weed falling onto the heater


heres another option http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=43743228 (youd need the 19mm clear one however)
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there looks to be a natural bowl at the male end, you could put a screen in there easy. a cheap downstem works excellently as a resin catcher when attached, and will also accept a tube for easy whip connectivity
 
the electrician,

Samsquanch

Vapor Astronaut
does all of the glass get hot?

well if i use just the glass bowl/wand , it start to get hot when it get near to the end of the bowl . So I attach the chillum with an extra mouthpiece and its fine. Chillum barely gets warm . The reason I put a mouthpiece on the chillum is so that there are 2 condensers in the airpath , 1 in the chillum and 1 in the mouth piece , hence more vapor resin collection :) :) :)

Personally I dont like any plastic in my airpath , I prefer all glass , but thats just me

thats quite the shaft on that screen
 
Samsquanch,

moonlit knight

Well-Known Member
Sorry to seem noobish, but how does this make the setup more efficient exactly? All I see is the weed being further from the element, how does it make it more efficient? :(
 
moonlit knight,

steiner666

Serial vapist
moonlit knight said:
Sorry to seem noobish, but how does this make the setup more efficient exactly? All I see is the weed being further from the element, how does it make it more efficient? :(
because the bowl is narrower, the herb and hot air is all concentrated in that one spot and the stream covers the herb more evenly. Most vapes dont really evenly vape the bowls because the stream of air is narrower than the width of the load you put in it, which requires you to stir in between hits.
 
steiner666,

GetHighLikePlanes

Well-Known Member
the electrician said:
once again my endless time stoned on the computer is not spent in vein as i stumble across this little gem:
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8763/geniusur.jpg
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=42656166&ref=cat2_gallery_7
Please explain to me how this is going to give me more vapor using the Extreme Q because I can't get dense hits no matter what I do; it just doesn't get hot enough! :mad: I'm starting to think it's a design flaw with the cyclone bowl because there is a glass lip where the screen sits and when the hot air passes through, it cools and pushes the bud to the sides of the bowl. The weed only turns slightly brown and produces light vapor even at 500F. Please, somebody tell me how can I get thick dense hits out of this vaporizer? :bang: Also, if I buy this how would I fill and attach the whip to this adapter?
 
GetHighLikePlanes,

DevoTheStrange

Ia! Ia! Vapor Fthagn!
GetHighLikePlanes said:
the electrician said:
once again my endless time stoned on the computer is not spent in vein as i stumble across this little gem:
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8763/geniusur.jpg
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=42656166&ref=cat2_gallery_7
Please explain to me how this is going to give me more vapor using the Extreme Q because I can't get dense hits no matter what I do; it just doesn't get hot enough! :mad: I'm starting to think it's a design flaw with the cyclone bowl because there is a glass lip where the screen sits and when the hot air passes through, it cools and pushes the bud to the sides of the bowl. The weed only turns slightly brown and produces light vapor even at 500F. Please, somebody tell me how can I get thick dense hits out of this vaporizer? :bang: Also, if I buy this how would I fill and attach the whip to this adapter?
How dense your vapor cloud looks also depends on the lighting in the room you are in. Vapor is not visibly thick the way smoke is, you can see through it. alot of the videos of people vaping with dense hits are also using harsh lighting so you can see that hit better.
 
DevoTheStrange,

the electrician

Well-Known Member
GetHighLikePlanes said:
Please explain to me how this is going to give me more vapor using the Extreme Q because I can't get dense hits no matter what I do; it just doesn't get hot enough! :mad: I'm starting to think it's a design flaw with the cyclone bowl because there is a glass lip where the screen sits and when the hot air passes through, it cools and pushes the bud to the sides of the bowl.
think of this thing as the opposite of the cyclone bowl. using the thin tube as a bowl makes a small block of weed, diameter a little bigger than the stream of air, that is stationed directly in that air stream. so its gonna heat to the desired temperature and blast vapour at you, not exactly rocket science here
 
the electrician,

GetHighLikePlanes

Well-Known Member
DevoTheStrange said:
How dense your vapor cloud looks also depends on the lighting in the room you are in. Vapor is not visibly thick the way smoke is, you can see through it. alot of the videos of people vaping with dense hits are also using harsh lighting so you can see that hit better.
I meant to post this on the model specific forum... I understand how lighting could effect the way the vapor looks, but lighting is not the issue I'm having. I am able to get thick vapor using my other vaporizers at 401F and turn the weed to a dark brown color. I understand I might be combusting at that point, but I'd rather have that option than not especially on a $300 vaporizer. I cranked the Extreme Q all the way up to 500F and the weed is still a light brown greenish color with barely visible vapor. I can take weed I vaped and put it in another vaporizer and still get a hit off it. The vapor the EQ produces doesn't make me cough whereas if I hit the others it chokes the shit out of me. Now I wouldn't normally complain about aesthetics, but the issue is I don't get nearly as high as I would using my other vaporizer.
 
GetHighLikePlanes,

GetHighLikePlanes

Well-Known Member
the electrician said:
think of this thing as the opposite of the cyclone bowl. using the thin tube as a bowl makes a small block of weed, diameter a little bigger than the stream of air, that is stationed directly in that air stream. so its gonna heat to the desired temperature and blast vapour at you, not exactly rocket science here
I understand the concept of this, but back to my original question, how would I fill and attach the whip to this adapter? I wedge the screen in the stem, fill the the stem (which is an issue in itself given the tiny opening), then re-attach the tubing each time? Sounds like an awful lot of trouble and time spent just to get this thing to work right like it should have straight from the manufacturer. How do you personally use this adapter?
 
GetHighLikePlanes,

the electrician

Well-Known Member
GetHighLikePlanes said:
Sounds like an awful lot of trouble and time spent just to get this thing to work right like it should have straight from the manufacturer.
its no effort to follow some instructions, and it more than pays for itself in the end

my set up looks like this when not in use
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the adapater is available on the guys etsy page, the downstem is there to collect resin with minimal impurities and to allow me to connect the tube. the screen sits where ground glass joints meet with the weed obviously facing the element

and like this in use
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maybe that will shed some light
 
the electrician,

gramman

Well-Known Member
GetHighLikePlanes, have you tried an elbow pack? It makes the whip hit thicker. How has your experience been with bags? I have no problem filling them with dense vapor.

The whip though does hit lighter but I think it is nice and consistent for a good sneak up on you high. Go to the Bag for thick endless hits. Whip is great for chilling around on after ripping a bag down.
 
gramman,
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