Brexit / Trump Poll ONLY for UK FC'rs who support Brexit.

Would you vote for Trump if you were a US citizen

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • No

    Votes: 12 85.7%

  • Total voters
    14

lwien

Well-Known Member
Ok, a few things going on here.

First off, I've heard arguments from both side of this debate with one side stating that what is happening in the UK is nothing like what is happening here in the US in regards to our presidential election and with the other side drawing very concrete similarities.

So with that in mind, I'm curious to see how many of you that do support the UK leaving the EU would also vote for Trump if you were a US citizen, that is assuming that you follow US politics a bit.
 
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VapourHaze

Rexcornish on IG, Vaping since '02
Haha interesting im a firm remain so cant vote. I would obviously rather remove my left testicle than vote for trump.

I will be truly shocked if anyone says they will vote for him. I cant actually believe that people (americans) can take Trump seriously .. that guy is a joke. And pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with the world.
 

1DMF

Old School Cheesy Quaver
I voted no, I think trump is an idiot and a racist who is spreading fear and xenophobia throughout USA.

It's a shame as USA has struggled with racism for a long time, and was finally putting it all behind them, and I was upset when I watched John Oliver who reported that the UK Brexit will help to fuel Trump's presidential campaign.

As I have tried to explain, Brexit is not a race thing (yes for some, but not the majority), I wonder what the percentage of USA citizens will vote for him because they are?

I don't know enough about USA politics to advise who I would vote for, but coming from a country where I have lived through it's first ever female appointed prime minister.

I think regardless of Hillary's flaws, having the first female president is surely a better option and a landmark to be proud of, rather than voting in Trump.

However, it is for the USA people to decide and we will all have to respect their decision, even if we think it's a bad one.

Good luck , which ever camp you are in.
 

phattpiggie

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Accessory Maker
I said within earshot of my 10 year old that 'Cameron was a wanker', to which she replied 'Aren't they all'.
I was a bit taken aback as I didn't think she heard me.
Now she's bright as a button, she quotes shit about world events to me that I had no idea about.
I asked her why she thought this. Her reply 'I've seen Donald Trump'.

I don't vote and until there is someone who actually represents my views I will continue to not vote.

Trump will have his followers and the more we breed 'common sense' out of humanity the more 'sheepeople' we will produce to follow the likes of him.

IMO he is a racist buffon.
 

HellsWindStaff

Dharma Initiate
As I have tried to explain, Brexit is not a race thing (yes for some, but not the majority), I wonder what the percentage of USA citizens will vote for him because they are?

Not as many as they'd like you to believe. Just like Brexit......based on news reports, sounds like all of those who stayed are a bunch of racist xenophobes? They aren't obviously, but that's a pretty good narrative to push to make people think you voted the wrong way.

The word "racist" is so casually thrown around these days. I predict a Trump victory will elicit responses of a revote for some sort of perceived lack of fairness or that he won because the majority that would vote him are actually racists. And then it will be talked about how much of a shame that X% that voted for Hillary are now going to have to live in a Trump presidency.

You still see people say that GWB won because of "Florida was rigged!"......ya know if Al Gore would of won Tennessee his home state, or if he would of won WV which only voted Red once in the 6 elections prior, Al Gore would of had enough EV's for the presidency?? Even with it being "rigged". That's factual & places the blame on him.....but harder to swallow...

"We're fine with people who don't look like us, as long as they think like us"

Here's a pretty good opinion:

https://www.allthink.com/1318648

Specifically this little bit:
"Conservatives who support Trump hate political correctness, and it isn't because they're racists, sexists, misogynists, homophobes, and all the rest. Some of them are those things, and some of them aren't. What they hate about political correctness is that someone who doesn't know or understand them has the gall to tell them what they can and can't (and should and shouldn't) say or think. Worse, those busybodies feel it is perfectly appropriate to throw around socially stigmatizing labels of bigotry without even daring to listen to the more nuanced view that conservatives feel they hold on matters of identity politics."

Ie: Trump supporters are dumb.....racist....."don't get it" ......... ? Was the idea that Brexiter's are racist and xenophobes prevalent in the media prior to the vote, or has it only been in retaliation?

I think the thing that people should "worry" about in response to Brexit and the Trump correlation, is the idea of the "silent majority" .... I'm voting for Trump less something seriously changes:shrug: as I would rather have him than Hillary in office...... I don't think she will be good, and I am interested in seeing what Trump can do.....but I've never filled out a poll saying that, I'm registered Libertarian...no one knows I'm gonna vote Trump.

Check this. My old roomate was a Bernie Bro, and registered to vote soly to vote for Bernie. Voted for him in primary. Guess who he's gonna vote for? He's never filled out a poll either, is highly uninterested in politics, but is going to vote for Donald. People think it's crazy that he resonates with people......a lot of people are fed up with things. The fact he is so different makes him palpable.

Change....remember that? Barack Obama was new and exciting and people flocked to that. I flocked to that. It's the same principle....but times are different. DT represents something new and different than the establishments now....whether that is good or bad we will see, but it's a risk I personally am willing to gamble on rather than the broken and corrupt systems we have now?

The poll up top says 3-1 ...... I'd be interested in hearing from that guy or gals perspective. But, I don't blame you if you stay silent :)
 
Yep, every single Bernie bro I know is voting for Trump. They all hate #Hilldawg with a serious passion. Maybe she still has the support of older democrats? :shrug:
 

Stevenski

Enter the Dragon
We have our federal clown election this Saturday in Oz & I don't know exactly who I will be voting for but I know neither cunt in the major parties will get my vote & nor will the Greens. I have always voted the equivalent of Tory/Republican but this time I won't.

I am very much leaning towards supporting a independent trouble maker who keeps everyone in line as he is needed to get things through parliament. Sort of like Bernie Sanders but now he is building a party around his stances & they do tie in with a lot of my stances on social & economic issues.

If I was a UK citizen I would have voted to leave. Not because I am some kind of bigot or xenophobe but because I believe a country has a right to self determination under democratic vote. If I did want to experience racist violence in the UK though I would just stroll through an area like Bromley swigging a can of lager.

As for Trump I would no more vote for him than the leader of the BNP or any other ignorant extremist group & you bet the Republicans are extremists. The problem lies in a PC world where legitimate criticism over enclaves of immigrants who refuse to assimilate to their new nations cultural norms/standards is called racism.

It is a very fine line as my country was built on the backs of immigrants & without the contributions of mass migration my nation would be much poorer culturally. Post WWII we had waves of European migration & in the 1970's & 80's we had a lot of SE Asian migration but the largest amount of migrants are still British.

I like immigration & migrants as most are coming here to contribute to making this a better country to live in. There is a portion who only seek to take & strangely enough they are the same people who travel through several safe countries before illegally arriving here. That means you are no longer a refugee but an economic migrant.

Sorry if this is a bit off topic but seemed somewhat relevant to the overall Brexit/Trump discussion.
 

Silat

When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind.
Yep, every single Bernie bro I know is voting for Trump. They all hate #Hilldawg with a serious passion. Maybe she still has the support of older democrats? :shrug:

Hi. Now you know me. I supported and voted for Bernie in the primary.
Drumpf is not the choice of any sane Bernie supporter. Get ready to say hello to President Hillary Clinton.
 

u bwade wunner

Well-Known Member
After what Bush, and his cronies did in office,they should have no chance of getting back in.

But they have worked out that running an idiot like Trump with his stark populist conspiracy agenda will hopefully stir the masses who are doing it tough in the US right now,the disenchanted and downtrodden.

If they get in they will go straight back to what they know best..War.and more of it.

They are so close it's not funny.I can't believe people are even considering a republican vote after the last circus.

I fully support the UK leaving the EU.they got a get out of jail card for sure.politicians love democracy only when it works in their favour.Cameron didn't listen much except to big business.

maybe he should take up peddling drugs in Eton again.oh but he got caught doing that:D.oh well.
 
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:wave: @Silat, duly noted. I guess the biggest issue for the bros I know is that they are big time anti TPP and anti globalist. Even so, I was surprised they were voting Trump. Politics makes strange bedfellows I guess...
 

waxdab23

Well-Known Member
Haha interesting im a firm remain so cant vote. I would obviously rather remove my left testicle than vote for trump.

I will be truly shocked if anyone says they will vote for him. I cant actually believe that people (americans) can take Trump seriously .. that guy is a joke. And pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with the world.

From a month or so ago, but here's a nice example of Americans who take Trump seriously. Lol...

 
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h3rbalist

I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too
From a month or so ago, but here's a nice example of Americans who take Trump seriously. Lol...


I also can't post here. And would opt to boil my own testicle's than vote for a facist leader or allow my vote to gain a backdoor entry for one.

As what happen at the last general election when the British public decided to protest vote because a good man failed to eat a bacon sandwich correctly. And by not voting labour have now allowed a conservative government into power.

And unfortunately these pro trump supporters look exactly like the people who support Boris and Farage here in GB.

I see direct correlation between the two countries. In fact I see a direct link between both Boris and Trump. And it's not the fact that they are both long term friends with Rupert Murdoch.

This goes farther than just the handful of ppl posting on this forum.

In my experience England as a whole is a racist backward thinking country. London and Brighton are much more tolerating of minorities, and homosexual's imo.

The greatest world leader we ever had was Bill (even I would go down on him) Clinton and you fuckers outed him.

Biggest political mistake ever made. Imo and you should have all been lining up to suck his cock.

So based on that I'll assume both Trump and Boris will have power over all of us before the years out.

Good luck everyone.

We're gonna need it.
 

stickstones

Vapor concierge
Do not waste your vote and help the K0CH taliban win.

I used to vote mainstream because I didn't want to waste my vote. In the end I was disappointed in every candidate I voted for. A few elections ago I decided I wasn't going to be force fed a choice and that writing a name in gives my disgust a better chance of being heard than voting the status quo. If enough of us do it, we will be heard. If we all do it, we win! Besides, we already decided in another thread we are all writing in Bernie this year and I'm sticking to it!

Not saying this idea is better than yours, just saying I've done what you said and I feel better doing it this way.
 

Silat

When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind.
I used to vote mainstream because I didn't want to waste my vote. In the end I was disappointed in every candidate I voted for. A few elections ago I decided I wasn't going to be force fed a choice and that writing a name in gives my disgust a better chance of being heard than voting the status quo. If enough of us do it, we will be heard. If we all do it, we win! Besides, we already decided in another thread we are all writing in Bernie this year and I'm sticking to it!

Not saying this idea is better than yours, just saying I've done what you said and I feel better doing it this way.

Well if enough of you do it then Drumpf wins and the SC is loaded for decades with reichwingers.
 

stickstones

Vapor concierge
Nope. Bernie does not have that much support. Sorry but that is just a fact.
If enough people vote for him he wins. No way around that. I'm not saying it will happen, but it surely won't if we don't vote for him.

You're also assuming my vote for Bernie is a lost vote for the other two candidates, and that's not the case. My vote for Bernie won't hurt Hillary because I wouldn't vote for either one of them.
 

Trypsy Summers

Well-Known Member
Re Brexit, The vote has been presented as an anti immigration issue, instead of what its supposed to be, the economic (globalization) implications of staying in the EU. The elite had thought that by controlling both sides of the debate that they would tighten their grip, but now its all unravelled! That's why damage control is about trying to make Jeremy Corbyn the scapegoat, (How the fuck does that one work?) By means of an orchestrated attempt by the Media, Cameron and the Treacherous MPs who profess to be Labour. Indeed Angela Eagle has immortalized herself as the Where Eagles' Daren't fool! She and the rest ought to remember the following;

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.


Anyway not being funny but,

I read a fair bit about Trump, who for the record, I do not support, but what about KILLARY CLINTON?
I cant see much about her and to be honest she is just as bad if not worst! Than Trump...
Don't forget her little one liner regarding Ghadaffi, "WE CAME, WE CONQUERED, HE DIED!"
She is just as steeped in blood as Blair, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, etc...

Whether your on this side of the Atlantic or the other, or where ever you are, it's time people started to realise that we don't need the elite to programme us or re-present us.

Not saying, Just saying, Without saying..

Peace:leaf:
 

Silat

When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind.
If enough people vote for him he wins. No way around that. I'm not saying it will happen, but it surely won't if we don't vote for him.

You're also assuming my vote for Bernie is a lost vote for the other two candidates, and that's not the case. My vote for Bernie won't hurt Hillary because I wouldn't vote for either one of them.

Again I say I voted for Bernie in the Oregon primary. Many of his supporters have become Bernie Baggers (My name for them).
This is for them:
 
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Here's an interesting perspective (with a few sections snipped for space) :2c:


Why Liberals Must Support Brexit



“As for the United Kingdom, it will be wise to stick to the referendum and leave the unaccountable, undemocratic and over-regulated EU that is flirting with imperial goals. Shaken but not stirred after Brexit, Great Britain will be just fine.”

Corporate media has successfully portrayed Brexit as an issue primarily about immigration and, taking it one step further, xenophobia or racism. This narrative has influenced many liberals in America – except for a few such as Green Party’s Jill Stein – to instinctively oppose Brexit. The truth is far more nuanced, with Brexit being a democratic uprising against an authoritarian and unaccountable European Union, excessive globalization, loss of jobs, reduction of wages and benefits, and destruction of British Middle Class.

Looking at the big picture, it’s not surprising that Brexit happened. EU is quite unpopular, as shown below.



There are now calls for at least 34 referendums across the EU, the topics ranging from refugee policy (that EU is forcing upon the nations) to entirely leaving the EU.

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Inherently Anti-Democratic

Many people have called the EU “The United States of Europe,” but this is wrong in many ways. To start with, the differences between European countries – language, culture, identity etc. – are incomparable to the differences between the individual states of the US. This is why when Greece is suffering horribly, most cannot simply move to Germany and find a new job. Also, the financial situation of each country is isolated enough that when it suffers, there is not much help from other European nations.

More importantly, the EU is inherently anti-democratic. Of all the EU institutions, the people get to vote for only one: the European Parliament. How ridiculous is that? Imagine if you could only vote for the US House of Representatives – this is the European Parliament; and the US Senators are political insiders sent by each state – this is the Council of EU; and the US President is actually a group of political hacks, one sent from each state – this is the EU Commission. There are also about 50,000 highly-paid, faceless bureaucrats – Eurocrats – who spend their days devising rules and regulations to control every aspect of an average person’s life (more on this later).

The unelected bodies are actually the most powerful ones in EU. The EU Commission is where legislation begins. The Parliament simply approves them or proposes amendments. And what is a day in EU Parliament like? Imagine a meeting with 751 people who speak 23 different languages. It’s the perfect place to take naps all day long.



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EU Really Hates the Peasants

EU is far from the concept of “of the people and by the people.” Over time, EU’s elites have clearly shown their disdain for referendums and Democracy. Here are some quick examples:

  • Denmark rejected the notion of European Union in 1992. So it was forced to vote again after some superficial tweaks and renewed propaganda. And the referendum passed.
  • When a new EU Constitution was proposed in 2004, the Belgian Prime Minister famously said, “If the answer is No, the vote will have to be done again, because it absolutely has to be Yes.”
  • The Lisbon Treaty was a scam that was created after the EU Constitution was rejected by countries such as France and Netherlands in referendums in 2005. The elites decided to circumvent the people of Europe by getting the Constitution approved by a “treaty” that was approved and signed by politicians. Democracy be damned!
  • Ireland was the only country that insisted on having a referendum on the new Lisbon Treaty. And it actually rejected the treaty in 2008. But lo and behold, it was made to vote again. Of course, it passed the next year.
  • Afterward, the President of the EU Commission made it clear: “There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties.”
Thus the EU elites’ message is clear: Resistance is Futile.

ECB and EU Army

Central Banking is one area that very few people understand. The concept of a private organization – owned by a few banks – controlling the currency of entire nation(s) is accepted widely and questioned rarely. If you replace the European Central Bank (ECB) with a single individual and ask people, “Would you like this unelected person to have unfettered power and freedom to print money, set interest rates and distribute the money?” and the answer will be a unanimous NO! The ECB has printed trillions of dollars, created artificial bubbles and bursts, bailed out its favorite banks, sent interest rates into negative territory, forced privatization of vast assets in Greece and elsewhere, showered the Top 0.1% with unimaginable amount of wealth, and created huge inequality all over Europe.

Most people consider Greece as an isolated extreme incident, but Greece is just an experiment that will soon be repeated across Europe. The ECB is pushing Europe into ever increasing debt. As the chart shows below, every country has a higher debt-to-GDP ratio today than in 2007, before the Crash.



On a related note, many Europeans support EU since they are often told about generous EU funds that sponsor research, museums etc. There are also special logos placed in hospitals, buildings etc. that say “Funded by EU.” This is a pitiful propaganda, since it’s like your boss using your credit card to buy you a Christmas gift and expecting you to be grateful.

Wars and Banking are like “fish and chips.” Once the EU Army is funded by mandatory spending from each nation, it will join forces with the US to continue the perpetual wars all over the world – possibly with Russia and even China. It’s not unthinkable given NATO’s saber-rattling with war games and deployment of missile defense shields in Romania and Poland. In a newly released document that came out after the Brexit referendum clearly states their plan to “exert influence” in Central Asia and Africa.

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Moving forward

Brexit is a sign of crisis in capitalism and a clear indication of the failure of Neoliberalism. Brexit is the harbinger of the enormous resistance to the ambitious globalization projects of the New World Order elites.

The progressive left must take the lead on this resistance movement, or else it will be hijacked by the extreme right, as it is happening all over Europe. Trump can very well win this election with the support of blue-collar Democrats.

Progressives must fight for the working class and the lower middle class struggling to make ends meet. Immigration is not an ideology – it’s math and economics. Rather than castigating the working class as racists or bigots, progressives must seek out rational and pragmatic solutions on controlled immigration and trade deals. The Left must also vigorously speak out against Obama’s wars in Syria and Libya which have created millions of refugees. Bombing someone and then sheltering them is not an act of compassion.

As for the United Kingdom, it will be wise to stick to the referendum and leave the unaccountable, undemocratic and over-regulated EU that is flirting with imperial goals. Shaken but not stirred after Brexit, Great Britain will be just fine.


un-snipped version:
http://www.nationofchange.org/news/2016/07/03/liberals-must-support-brexit/
 
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