Dynavap VapCap

Smelly Dog · Apr 1, 2016

bounce5 said:
Nice. Very elegantly minimal. Can you stick the tip of the Vapcap in the container and fill it that way (like a dugout)?

Yup, that's how I use it.

djchexxx said:
I was just looking at those vials! How many g's can they hold?

Stay tuned, im going to refill it, then i'll dump the contents on my little scale!

@bounce5 @djchexxx

I could have stuffed a bit more, (1g total?) I did not compact or compress the herb down into the tube. I could get roughly 7 I think VC bowl refills from one stuffed tube, I've never really emptied out a tube in one day.

EDIT: Dry bud ground in a 3pc Santa Cruz Shredder bottom side up for a lot of spins before spinning right side up, this is done for a finer vaping grind.

geraldus · Apr 1, 2016

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little maggie said:
I'm sure this is posted somewhere in this thread but I can't seem to find it. What is the effect difference between the turbulated condenser vs the regular one?[/QUOTE. Haven't had a chance to try my new turbulated yet , but George explains it on Dynavap's Facebook page .

Archaicrevival · Apr 1, 2016

Tommy10 said:
Have made my bowl even smaller with a screen, incredibly small really. Waiting for a video to upload where I try and show yous, but 10 loads weighed .24 so that would be .024 per load (40 loads a gram) and one loading allows one nice bong rip, super efficient really!

I hate to say this bro, but I think you are overhearting your cap, It isn't supposed to be heated that slowly with the flame touching, I don't think the vapcap was designed to be used in this way.

bounce5 · Apr 1, 2016

Archaicrevival said:
I hate to say this bro, but I think you are overhearting your cap, It isn't supposed to be heated that slowly with the flame touching, I don't think the vapcap was designed to be used in this way.

When I saw that video I was taken aback by his heating style too, at the same time if it works for him...to each his own. My guess is that he's trying to see how little he can spin it and get away it, just because spinning is kind of tedious. I would guess that if it's not a good way to heat it it will prove itself over time through charred loads or, perhaps, broken glass one day.

horst · Apr 1, 2016

phattpiggie said:
@Smelly Dog you have indeed modded your Woody to work in a similar manner to the Omni. All be it a lot more basic but all the same capable of producing very similar results.

I got my Glassy in January and did something similar to your set up near enough on day one.
I spoke with @VapCap about it, mentioned some sort of valve set up and learned that there would be an adjustable flow VC coming. As with everything VC related George was one or two steps ahead of the game. More like twenty.
It was a no brainer for me once I actually grasped the mechanism by which the VC worked. I had seen the same thing being employed in another industrial situation.
You take a draw on the condenser tube which due to it's position creates a pressure drop behind the screen which in turn pulls the air in around the cap and thru the load, down the condenser and into our lungs.
No restricted draw like when the carb is closed, no light and wispy vapor when open.
When I saw the Omni I knew this would be a VC game changer. The user can set it to suit their particular draw rate, strength and vapor density.
I suggested this set up to a few FC'ers some of whom have tried it and some who are still to give it a go. I wanted confirmation from others that it did actually make a huge difference.
I was hoping to get some video up showing the set up but as always life and work get in the way of the more pleasurable things.

So if you want to give it a go you will need a rolling paper and a fine needle.
Cut the gummed strip like this. Then cut a small square big enough to cover the carb

It needs to cover all of the hole and be stuck down well. Once it's dry, it must be dry, pierce a small hole in the center of the newly patched hole.

One hole is how I ran my Glassy until I made a wooden stem. To get the adjustability of the Omni you add more holes. If you find you've added too many re-patch and start again. The Omni has an infinite adjustment the paper mod merely allows you to get a feel for how it works.

Great tutorial phattpiggie!
This works really well with the woody, too. I know that I can block the air a little with the condenser O-ring but you can't get the hole that small with it. For now I like it with two little pierces but I need to play more with it. Using it this way I manage to spend a half loaded bowl within two heatcycles and getting nice clouds from the start.

Archaicrevival · Apr 1, 2016

Smelly Dog said:
@bounce5 @djchexxx

I could have stuffed a bit more, (1g total?) I did not compact or compress the herb down into the tube. I could get roughly 7 I think VC bowl refills from one stuffed tube, I've never really emptied out a tube in one day.

EDIT: Dry bud ground in a 3pc Santa Cruz Shredder bottom side up for a lot of spins before spinning right side up, this is done for a finer vaping grind.

I have the same scale...Cool

Smelly Dog · Apr 1, 2016

Archaicrevival said:
I have the same scale...Cool

This cheap scale paid for itself already, I weigh my bud as soon as I get home, caught a slicko dealer trying to shy me 1 gram from a quarter, I called him on it and got my gram, lol! I think I paid $5 bucks delivered for the scale through Amazon.

bhawkins94 · Apr 1, 2016

I'll need to experiment more with ground vs rip and stuff to see which I like more. They both work nicely but I feel like I can stretch my bud farther without grinding.

HikaruEyre · Apr 1, 2016

bhawkins94 said:
I'll need to experiment more with ground vs rip and stuff to see which I like more. They both work nicely but I feel like I can stretch my bud farther without grinding.

I feel the opposite. I feel grind helps to aerate it making it less dense so you are use less than a tight ungound little nugg.

Tommy10 · Apr 1, 2016

bounce5 said:
When I saw that video I was taken aback by his heating style too, at the same time if it works for him...to each his own. My guess is that he's trying to see how little he can spin it and get away it, just because spinning is kind of tedious. I would guess that if it's not a good way to heat it it will prove itself over time through charred loads or, perhaps, broken glass one day.

My thinking exactly, does not burn and you still follow the click, heating further down, for longer obviously isn't the most butane efficient way as you are wasting a lot of heat into the body, but seems to be the best way to see how far you can push the vapcap, will see how the caps hold up over time, but think that's a pretty small cost in relative terms, replacing them if needed, although they seem to take abuse pretty well. As long you keep the flame above the bottom of the cap, and follow the clicks, I don't think you can do too much damage.

RelaxedNow · Apr 1, 2016

HikaruEyre said:
I feel the opposite. I feel grind helps to aerate it making it less dense so you are use less than a tight ungound little nugg.

I said earlier that I may try a ripped mug again, and I probably will, just for the hell of it. However, I'm finding ground weed to work really well. I have no idea what brand it is, but I use a machined aluminum 4-chamber grinder, so I even get some bonus kief.

Tommy10 said:
My thinking exactly, does not burn and you still follow the click, heating further down, for longer obviously isn't the most butane efficient way as you are wasting a lot of heat into the body, but seems to be the best way to see how far you can push the vapcap, will see how the caps hold up over time, but think that's a pretty small cost in relative terms, replacing them if needed, although they seem to take abuse pretty well. As long you keep the flame above the bottom of the cap, and follow the clicks, I don't think you can do too much damage.

I just vaped an unpacked, less than full bowl, and heated it 5 (yes, FIVE) times, and loved the flavor of every hit. The ABV looked like it might have gone another cycle, but I was getting too stoned for the circumstances (date night with my wife) and had to end the test. I think keeping the flame away from the cap (thus heating it relatively slowly), and a loose pack, are the keys to VapeCap success.

Just when I think I know what I'm doing, I learn more. Thanks, everyone, for continuing to beat these tips into my head!

djchexxx · Apr 1, 2016

HikaruEyre said:
I feel the opposite. I feel grind helps to aerate it making it less dense so you are use less than a tight ungound little nugg.

I also feel that with ground herbs you can cook the bud more evenly imo. I've only been using the omni for a few days and have noticed that on bigger buds it seems to cook the outside more than the inside for low temps. But if you heat it for longer/higher temp you can cook the herbs to a nice even coffee brown color. I prefer my herbs light *brown so i heat close to the tip

Sand · Apr 2, 2016

Hey guys, I got my VC a little less than a week ago, thanks to George for accommodating my last minute address change to a PO box! So far, I had 3 sessions:
1) Use massive Blazer brand "Big Shot 8000" (or something) torch like a newb. Flame toward digger, I had 2-3 lights with 2-3 hits per light. Not bad. Draw felt very restricted, but hey I got this for camping mostly and it got me lit. Visible vapor lower than with enano, UD, or FW3, but high not decidedly less.
2) Use same torch, but get too close and combust! Feel glad I ordered an extra "fat" mouthpiece. ISO soak and boiling water rinse condenser O-ring until it stops smelling like combusto-funk. I felt a combustion high as expected

At this point I put VC away for a few days, then:
3) I use the VC with a bic, making sure to not let the flame hit the cap. Get 3 lights, 2 rips each light.
I noticed a heavy feeling in the eyes and body. When I dumped ABV, it was scortched in some places but not burned. Honestly not darker than many UD NonG stem bowls I've examined. I know it sounds weird, but I felt like I got a high temp extraction like I haven't had since I gave up bong snaps a month or so ago. Anyone with butane vape experience beyond the VC tell me is this normal? I felt sort of guilty/weird-- like I was smoking. Anyone else have similar experience/story?

Tommy10 · Apr 2, 2016

Sand said:
Hey guys, I got my VC a little less than a week ago, thanks to George for accommodating my last minute address change to a PO box! So far, I had 3 sessions:
1) Use massive Blazer brand "Big Shot 8000" (or something) torch like a newb. Flame toward digger, I had 2-3 lights with 2-3 hits per light. Not bad. Draw felt very restricted, but hey I got this for camping mostly and it got me lit. Visible vapor lower than with enano, UD, or FW3, but high not decidedly less.
2) Use same torch, but get too close and combust! Feel glad I ordered an extra "fat" mouthpiece. ISO soak and boiling water rinse condenser O-ring until it stops smelling like combusto-funk. I felt a combustion high as expected

At this point I put VC away for a few days, then:
3) I use the VC with a bic, making sure to not let the flame hit the cap. Get 3 lights, 2 rips each light.
I noticed a heavy feeling in the eyes and body. When I dumped ABV, it was scortched in some places but not burned. Honestly not darker than many UD NonG stem bowls I've examined. I know it sounds weird, but I felt like I got a high temp extraction like I haven't had since I gave up bong snaps a month or so ago. Anyone with butane vape experience beyond the VC tell me is this normal? I felt sort of guilty/weird-- like I was smoking. Anyone else have similar experience/story?

VC Gives wonderful high heat extraction. It's all in the genius design, heat high on the cap, low temp, heat low on the cap high temp. In my experience unless you are closing the carb the whole time, as long as you are not going lower than the cap with the flame, and don't heat past the click combustion is very unlikely.

Sand · Apr 2, 2016

Tommy10 said:
VC Gives wonderful high heat extraction. It's all in the genius design, heat high on the cap, low temp, heat low on the cap high temp. In my experience unless you are closing the carb the whole time, as long as you are not going lower than the cap with the flame, and don't heat past the click combustion is very unlikely.

Can confirm I did not heat past the click, and did not go lower than the cap. I packed a very loose 1/2 full bowl of some Lambs Breath (or lambs bread... idk, jamaican DNA) and heated above the digger, below the clicker (not in one set place). I'll post pictures of my caps patina tomorrow and some more things I noticed. Thanks for the reply!

Tommy10 said:
VC Gives wonderful high heat extraction. It's all in the genius design, heat high on the cap, low temp, heat low on the cap high temp. In my experience unless you are closing the carb the whole time, as long as you are not going lower than the cap with the flame, and don't heat past the click combustion is very unlikely.

I did hit it with the carb closed mostly the whole time. It seems like I get this burst of vapor (every time so far) up front (carb always closed), then I see no visible vapor in the VC. Even after seeing no visible vapor in the VC, I can hit it (carb closed still), and see some vapor on the exhale for 1-2 additional hits.

What technique do you reccomend? My first 3 flame torch should be coming in from china in a week or two.

Edit: mods please combine double posts, sorry!

Tommy10 · Apr 2, 2016

I think finely ground, high temp with a mostly closed carb is understandable for combustion. I either heat low and open carb, or heat a bit higher if I want to hit it with a closed carb.

Sand · Apr 2, 2016

Tommy10 said:
I think finely ground, high temp with a mostly closed carb is understandable for combustion. I either heat low and open carb, or heat a bit higher if I want to hit it with a closed carb.

I want to clarify, I did combust once, but it was super noticeable. Of course that time I got a combustion high. Even though I haven't smoked for weeks, I didn't find the combustion high surprising since I knew I had burned.
The other session though where I mentioned I had a heavy buzz, I did not combust. Char, sure, but I do that all the time with my non butanes and never get such a heavy feeling. I can tell by smell of the MP and bowl that I didn't combust again. I'm glad, cause getting that taste off the parts was a a little tedious.

Tommy10 · Apr 2, 2016

Yea it seems to me to be the closest thing to a combustion high with vaping I have experienced if ran hot, and the closest to my old main combustion methods. Amazing how good the flavour can be after a clean and keep at low heat too, probably the best low temp flavour out of any of my vapes except maybe the hammer and HA bags. Because extraction is in one hit the I don't find the high temp flavour to go bad like the tail end of a high temp session, although certainly not as tasty as it can be with low temps.

natural farmer · Apr 2, 2016

Not sure if it has been mentioned before but, when you twist the mouthpiece of the OV can the airflow be completely blocked and only draw air through the cap? That would make the silicon ring I am using with my OG obsolete, which would be nice... I wouldn't want a silicone ring on an OV...

Also, with the Ti Glassy, can the condenser been pushed further inside the body so it similarly blocks the air coming from the carb?

OV is out of budget right now but I am thinking about that Ti Glassy beauty... :brow:

Maybe ask George for a custom tip as well with more grooves (more airflow through the cap)? :brow:

Maybe also a couple of extra glass bodies with no carb holes? :brow:

phattpiggie · Apr 2, 2016

@natural farmer if you give the paper mod a go I think you will find the answers to your Omni questions.
From what I've seen the OV has a tapered end which I assume mates with a taper inside the Ti tip.
This allows the OV valve to be set where you want it. If you shut the 'valve' completely it will only allow air to pass thru the cap. If you open it fully it will perform like a wood/glass stem with open carb.
I settled on a small hole which allows just enough of a pressure drop to allow me to get good clouds without the 'milkshake' type draw.
@Copacetic this is how my stems look. I settled on a 0.5mm 'carb' in the wooden stem.

Copacetic · Apr 2, 2016

phattpiggie said:
......
........ I settled on a 0.5mm 'carb' in the wooden stem.

Very neat Phat, I especially like the look of the brass connector.

covercash · Apr 2, 2016

Does anyone know if there will be a 4/20 sale or special? I've had my eye on these for a while and was going to just make the purchase now but if there's some sort of 4/20 special bundle or discount I can hold off for ~3 weeks...

Shockwave · Apr 2, 2016

covercash said:
Does anyone know if there will be a 4/20 sale or special? I've had my eye on these for a while and was going to just make the purchase now but if there's some sort of 4/20 special bundle or discount I can hold off for ~3 weeks...

there was same question few pages back, 30$ for a vape i think you can't find anywhere that kind of a deal: Woody and Glassy are also in reasonable price.

RelaxedNow · Apr 2, 2016

covercash said:
Does anyone know if there will be a 4/20 sale or special? I've had my eye on these for a while and was going to just make the purchase now but if there's some sort of 4/20 special bundle or discount I can hold off for ~3 weeks...

I have no information to offer, just opinions. Of course, we all know what that's worth, but I'll throw them out there.

At $30 for the Glassy, I don't see any huge discount happening. The OmniVap is discounted $50 (25%) off the intended list price already, so I wouldn't expect additional discount on that either.

That leaves the Titanium Woody/Glassy models, the Pyrovap (which apparently has limited sales, based on how little is posted about it), the VapCap/PyroVap combo, and a few accessory items (including the 2 DynaStash models). I have no idea how much margin George has on any of those items, so I won't hazard a guess on them, but perhaps it's possible(?).

But, heck, why wait? Think about all the enjoyment you'll be missing out on while you wait. Not to mention how disappointed you'll be if you wait and it doesn't happen. Just pull out that credit card and, as Larry would say, Git-R-Done! :nod:

ragnorokk · Apr 2, 2016

natural farmer said:
Not sure if it has been mentioned before but, when you twist the mouthpiece of the OV can the airflow be completely blocked and only draw air through the cap? That would make the silicon ring I am using with my OG obsolete, which would be nice... I wouldn't want a silicone ring on an OV...

Also, with the Ti Glassy, can the condenser been pushed further inside the body so it similarly blocks the air coming from the carb?

OV is out of budget right now but I am thinking about that Ti Glassy beauty... Maybe ask George for a custom tip as well with more grooves (more airflow through the cap)? Maybe also a couple of extra glass bodies with no carb holes?

This is basically how I'm using my Ti/glassy. Like @phattpiggie , I still leave the carb open. The open carb with a condenser that is seated into the Ti tip a little ways provides clouds that are *nearly* as thick as fully closed carb, and requires significantly less technique. I just hit it like I'm taking a drag off a cig. Honestly, I can't get all the vapor into my lungs properly when I'm using your preferred "cigar" method, so the "cigarette" style drag works much better for me. I love the flavor from my OG with the carb fully closed, so I know exactly what you're after flavor wise... I just couldn't stand the milkshake effect.

@Tommy10 how big of a hole did you drill in your cap? My OG's SS diffuser has a number of minuscule holes in it, and looking at it I'm thinking that spreading the air intake around by making tiny holes in the cap might give better air flow for extraction than a single larger hole.

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