Discontinued Pax 2

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Ojan_at_PAX

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:rofl:Pretty much identical but not identical and slightly improved :shrug:

I'll bet you a pack of screens they will be the ones with the feet :tup:

Eh, if you know how to insert the screen then it truly doesn't make a difference which style you have.

I'm not a betting man (although I'm currently waiting to get on a plane to Vegas) but I'd put my money on you being right. We'll find out soon!
 

zor

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I lent my milligram scale out to a friend so unfortunately I can't do good mass/weight assessments but I'm enjoying my sessions with the pax 2 a lot more now. Here are some pics (took a few as the lighting was pretty deplorable) from my last session last night with some Agent Orange to show how brown the ABV became through all four heat settings.

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Contrary to what others have reported, I get pretty bad "flavor" by the time I reach heat level 3 or 4 if I start at 1 or 2. The vapor production is still minimal but again the effects are profound :) Honestly, I vastly prefer this (minimal clouds) especially if I'm vaping on the go or in public spaces. I packed the herb in tightly using the edge of the oven cover to tamp down, it was about 4/5ths full. When done the herb comes out in a brick, the color is pretty uniform except for the outer layer interfacing with the oven. Placing a screen or other conductive cover will probably fix that but since I use my ABV for edibles I really don't care :)

Unfortunately I wasn't able to test the screen sandwich method as my pax 1 screens are too long for the pax 2 oven, but I have a bajillion pipe screens which I can fold for this purpose.
 

zor

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Yeah, I considered that but want to keep the pax 1 screens intact for when I sell it, I'll just use a folded pipe screen (but really don't see a point to it given how well this is medicating me now :p)
 

Stringer

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hey guys im leaning towards getting a pax2 and my first portable vape.

is this a good unit for efficiency? I don't want it to burn when im not using it. Does it shut off? Nobody from manufacturer can tell me this. thanks.

also what is the cheapest option to purchase this? I find a lot of times there are reps in forums selling things cheaper like the lift kit I just bought for my truck. thanks.
 
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zor

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how many hits did you get from 4/5ths full load?

I didn't keep track, unfortunately. Number of hits is so variable for me, dependent on how deep of a pull I take; mine were short pulls (I'd stop pulling when I felt a tickle in the back of my throat) followed by a gulp of air to fully draw in the vapor and to help increase surface area. Add in the increased temperature steps and a wide range of vapor density and I could keep pulling on max heat and produce wisps until the cows come home.
 

TheDog

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Charging didn't take long, it was already 3 petals full.
This thing is so sexy and stealthy and cool. :whoa:
Set to temp 2 and WOW! Had 2 sessions (10 draws each) stirred in between just to see the toastyness.
Going to run up the pedals in stages as I lose vapour to see how many decent sessions I can get from 1 bowl (oven).
My Background - daily use Herbalizer, MFLB for portable (thing is bullet proof)
 

ar89x

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@Ojan_at_PAX do you have any plans for some kind of charger clip-on accessory? I'm in my car a lot and I've been having to hold the charger in my hand to keep the magnet steady but it still pops off no matter what. I love the concept for charging indoors but I would like it to be a bit more car-friendly tbh.
 
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zor

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@Ojan_at_PAX do you have any plans for some kind of charger clip-on accessory? I'm in my car a lot and I've been having to hold the charger in my hand to keep the magnet steady but it still pops off no matter what. I love the concept for charging indoors but I would like it to be a bit more car-friendly tbh.

A quick low-tech solution is to use a rubberband...I tried it and it holds quite securely!
 

pakalolo

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They did it because of the oven door experiment???? :huh:

I agree with where most of the resistance is but it wasn't changed for no reason....I would guess (maybe the pax boys can enlighten us)

My guess is that the screen if pushed in too tight that you could draw the screen against the hole....so little indent to rest the screen evenly to maintain even air flow

During your experiment did you find that you had more resistance with the screen in or without. if you found it less without then it would stand to reason that altering and doing things to the screen would make a big difference

I didn't try it with the screen removed because that would invalidate the test. The point was to determine whether the oven door introduced resistance when it was put back in. Drag in a system like this is determined by the choke point. My test showed that the choke point is the oven lid, not the screen. The Pax engineers made the scallops in the P2 screen 50% bigger to improve flow, but again I can see no benefit if resistance increases when you put the oven lid in place.

I have that same thing others have mentioned...after my first time popping out the screen, it never seems to sit evenly in the often after re-placing...one of the long edges sits ever-so-slightly higher than the other. It isn't loose, or falling out (even when empty) and doesn't seem to have any negative impact on functionality, so it doesn't bother me. But it appears a little odd if you look closely.

That is how the Pax screen (both versions) is supposed to sit. You have to be careful that the raised end is over the draw hole.
 

microduck

elementary vaporist
The Pax engineers made the scallops in the P2 screen 50% bigger to improve flow
great observation points!

just maybe, w/ pax1 the choke point WAS the screen (milkshake draw).. but now with the new and improved pax2 screen (50% wider flow) and oven lid in place... the new choke point is now exactly in the center of the oven (50% screen resistance/50% lid resistance) creating the perfect ebb and flow of air/oven heat mixture?
 
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mitchgo61

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That is how the Pax screen (both versions) is supposed to sit. You have to be careful that the raised end is over the draw hole.

Interesting. That explains why they tell you to drop the screen end in on the side opposite the hole. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
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ar89x

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@pakalolo are you saying you get more airflow when the oven lid is off?

I need to get more familiar with the vape terminology lol not sure what you mean by 'choke point' and a few other terms.
 
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zor

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Day 2 here. The terrible stale bowl of the P1 is gone. The oven cools and doesn't over-toast when not in use. Just as everyone here has been saying. I still love my P1, but the P2 is a quantum leap forward

This is a point I'm curious about. My experience with the Pax 1 was that it would heat up to the set temp, petals turn green. Then, if one were to leave it undisturbed for a minute or so, the light turns blue, a few minutes thereafter the entire unit shuts off, regardless of the extended mouthpiece. Isn't the blue light indicative of the oven cooling and not being at the right temp? Wait too long and pick it up, the lights turn purple again to indicate heating.

So...apart from the lip sensing tech to actively heat counter to airflow/cooling from inhaling, what else is different? I'm still confused about this...


Also @Stringer, there is a plethora of info in this thread, I think all of your questions have been answered. As far as price goes don't expect to see much variation, if any, as this is a new vape and authentic devices tend to stay at the same price point. There may be bundles but I think it would be very difficult to find an authentic pax 2 sold for less than MSRP. The device also does shut off automatically. Read this thread, lots of good info and discussion here!
 
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ar89x

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@Stringer yes it's a very efficient unit, at least from my experience and all the posts on this thread. It does not burn when you're not using it because it has a lip sensing mechanism that heats up or cools down depending on whether your lips/fingers are touching the mouth piece or not.

As far as purchasing options, I wouldn't be able to answer accurately as I bought it from one of their authorized dealers but I wouldn't try to look for cheap deals anyway and risk getting a counterfeit version somehow.
 

pakalolo

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just maybe, w/ pax1 the choke point WAS the screen (milkshake draw).. but now with the new and improved pax2 screen (50% wider flow) and oven lid in place... the new choke point is now exactly in the center of the oven (50% screen resistance/50% lid resistance) creating the perfect ebb and flow of air/oven heat mixture?

No, the choke point can't be in the middle of the oven, it is where the airflow is most restricted. As I said, I did this test with the original Pax when I first got it with the same result: the airflow was reduced when I put the oven lid back on. If the screen were the source of the restriction then it wouldn't matter whether the lid was on or off.

@pakalolo are you saying you get more airflow when the oven lid is off?

I need to get more familiar with the vape terminology lol not sure what you mean by 'choke point' and a few other terms.

That's not vape terminology, it's a term in fluid dynamics. It's simply the point at which flow is restricted due to reduced cross-sectional area.

Yes, I'm saying that there is better airflow without the oven lid. Try it yourself. Pull through the P2 without the lid and without stopping or chnging your draw speed, put the oven lid in place. You'll find a reduction in flow.

This is a point I'm curious about. My experience with the Pax 1 was that it would heat up to the set temp, petals turn green. Then, if one were to leave it undisturbed for a minute or so, the light turns blue, a few minutes thereafter the entire unit shuts off, regardless of the extended mouthpiece. Isn't the blue light indicative of the oven cooling and not being at the right temp? Wait too long and pick it up, the lights turn purple again to indicate heating.

So...apart from the lip sensing tech to actively heat counter to airflow/cooling from inhaling, what else is different? I'm still confused about this...

In the Pax 1, the oven continued at full heat until the Pax detected that it hadn't been moved for 30 seconds and then a cool down kicked in (blue light). If you kept moving it, the motion detection never timed out and you continued to cook your load. On top of that, since the oven had a higher thermal mass (largely due to the metal in the oven lid) it cooled quite slowly.

In the Pax 2, 10 seconds after it no longer senses your lips the oven starts to cool and the lower thermal mass means the cooling is more effective. Even if you keep moving it the cool down still happens. The result is enough reduction in cooking of the load to preserve flavour longer and increase efficiency. If the sensor doesn't detect your lips (or a touch) for three minutes, it will shut down. You should note that if you touch the top that will defeat this timeout even though you never put it to your lips. Touching it will also bring it back to full heat if it has lapsed into cool down.

In both cases, if the Pax is left motionless after the blue light comes on, it will eventually shut down.
 
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microduck

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the choke point can't be in the middle of the oven
yes the choke point can be in the middle of the oven but only if the oven is fully packed. I believe this is what the engineers had in mind when they made the pax2 screen air holes 50% larger
 
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pakalolo

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yes the choke point can be in the middle of the oven but only if the oven is fully packed. I believe this is what the engineers had in mind when they made the pax2 screen air holes 50% larger

That's an interesting point. I hadn't considered the effect of the load because I was only trying to establish whether the door was more restrictive than the screen. There's no doubt the PAX Labs engineers are smart and they must have had a good reason.
 
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