The Magic-Flight Box

@Obelisk(I promise-last off topic post)When I bake with the abv I get from my LB(or SSV or MZ, etc) I use coconut oil because of its higher saturated fat content. Awhile back I read on some board that saturated fat is important to making good edibles, and when I made the switch to coconut oil I did notice a difference. When I cooked with butter or other oil, saturated fat usually made up between 10-30% of the total fat content, whereas coconut oil is 80-90%. Anyone have any science to back this up?

Also, make the smallest batch of brownies you can. I often use 1/3 of a box of brownie mix, but with however much oil I used to cook the abv, which usually winds up being more than the entire box would need, but hey, they taste good and get you fucked up off small squares. In my experience, it seems like if you can get a dose into a smaller mass of food, it is broken down and absorbed more quickly.

B. said:

@Obelisk(I promise-last off topic post)When I bake with the abv I get from my LB(or SSV or MZ, etc) I use coconut oil because of its higher saturated fat content. Awhile back I read on some board that saturated fat is important to making good edibles, and when I made the switch to coconut oil I did notice a difference. When I cooked with butter or other oil, saturated fat usually made up between 10-30% of the total fat content, whereas coconut oil is 80-90%. Anyone have any science to back this up?

Also, make the smallest batch of brownies you can. I often use 1/3 of a box of brownie mix, but with however much oil I used to cook the abv, which usually winds up being more than the entire box would need, but hey, they taste good and get you fucked up off small squares. In my experience, it seems like if you can get a dose into a smaller mass of food, it is broken down and absorbed more quickly.

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Hi B.

I was wondering if you can leave somewhat of a detailed recipe with coconut oil? I just started using coconut oil on my skin and I love it. I would also love to use it with the avb. If you've already done a batch just curious if you have a combination that works for you (ratio wise) and how long to cook it for and how to do so. Thanks for any additional info you can provide. I am still lookin' for a good method that works for me with the avb. I was going to try the alcohol but haven't got a hold of the right type of alcohol yet. But coconut oil I'd love to try.

Thank you!

magicflight said:

New_World said:

is there a set date for the home adapter to come out?

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There have been some internal issues which have come up and which are pending. We are expecting to release these soon -- within a few weeks, but no new exact date has been set. (We had been planning on releasing them Nov 2nd, but that obviously has not happened). It is our aim to have these available for the holiday season for sure.

-- Magic-flight

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MagicFlight, I've been checking this site and yours every day hoping to hear good news.
Are you any closer to releasing the power module than you were in October?
What's the word? Hate to be a bother but it's been a while now???
Or am i just...............

Peace.

Ya mean a pass thru battery, something like this ( for the DSE901 e-ciggie ):

http://dse-901.com/inc/sdetail/10675

Something like M-F will come up with, lickity-split?

Hi, there, y'all. Fellow LB vapers.

Chust made a slight mod to my LB, thought I'd share it.

1) To make my magic-Flight-box more like an SR71, and to avoid the glare from a shiny, metallic, battery (and some sneaky donut muncher) which I am putting to my mouth (in public), I wrapped (black) electrical tape on the end of exposed battery, a little past the battery entrance to the LB.

This made it less glaring, and also made the form factor a tad smaller.

2) The bonus to wrapping the tape slightly beyond the halfway mark, is that it has now become a momentary switch.

You lock and load. Hit the battery with your thumb (or palm), and the box fires up. Let go, and the tape springs the battery back. Battery is off, light is off.

Thumb on, ON. Thumb off, Off. :/

Pure serendipity. Sans fumbling.


Note: The LB was designed for right handed persons:

As a marketing strategy for south paws like myself, M-F might well consider a "Lefty" version

stark1 said:

Note: The LB was designed for right handed persons:

As a marketing strategy for south paws like myself, M-F might well consider a "Lefty" version

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Funny how perspectives vary. I find it better suited for leftys: cupping in your left hand allows one handed operation if you practice a bit, whereas in your right hand you can't manipulate the battery the same way without exposing much more of the tool to observation. ISTM leftys would have an easier time.

But damned if I know.

And good idea on the black tape: some clever entrepreneur type ought to be marketing fashionably designed thin neoprene battery covers any day now.

Funny how perspectives vary. I find it better suited for leftys

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Glad to hear it, because I had just recommended a left handed friend of mine buy this and when I read the post above yours, I got worried that maybe I had steered her wrong.

I like the tape idea too. Not so much for the "switch" use, but to give a less slippery surface to the battery. It seems it would make it easier for arthritic hands to pull the battery. Not that it's that hard, but easier.

stark1 said:

Note: The LB was designed for right handed persons:

As a marketing strategy for south paws like myself, M-F might well consider a "Lefty" version

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I hold mt LB in my left hand, and with the index and FU finger can withdraw or insert the battery for one handed operation.

Tom

We are ALL right (pun intended).

Or left.

I for one want to minimize my LB ( which occurs when one's hand is cupped over the LB ), which in this isomer of the LB, one can with the right hand; using it as a lefty, the mechanics of manipulating the battery can draw the attention of unwanted, squinted eyes.

On a different note:

On the issue of calibrating for THC, CBD, and CBN, I did a rough estimate of time v Temp.

The flash points of the above are said to be THC 149.3C, CBD 206.3C, CBN 212.7C.

The rough temps for 1-5 secs, summed over 3, and averaged, are 70,100, 130, 155,180 C.

The gist of this crude study is that if one were to vaporize the Sativa for the THC, the optimal time is about 3 seconds.

To vaporize the Indica for CBD & CBN one should vaporize a tad longer than five, or six seconds. Or until the brown hue of the ABV begins to turn black.

So, to conclude, for THC, about 3 seconds; for CBD, and CBN, in the Launch Box, 2X the THC threshold. Or longer.

Hope others will have a similar finding.

tdavie said:

stark1 said:

Note: The LB was designed for right handed persons:

As a marketing strategy for south paws like myself, M-F might well consider a "Lefty" version

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I hold mt LB in my left hand, and with the index and FU finger can withdraw or insert the battery for one handed operation.

Tom

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Lefty here, I don't see a problem with the current design...heck i never even crossed my mind that it "may" be more convenient for right-handers. Then again we live in a right handed world, I seem to make do pretty well using right handed things.
i usually wrap my hand above my box using my middle or index to hold the battery in place.
I like it, works well for me.

I've heard a lot of talk about sliding the battery in and then waiting for about 3-5 seconds before vapor starts to visibly accumulate in the trench.

this never happens to me, i never see any vapor formation under the transparent lid. however, if i am in the right light, after about 5 seconds i can see a steady stream of vapor escape from the draw hole. does this happen to anyone else?

also, how long do you let the battery make contact while drawing typically?

HU-mans. They adapt all too easily...:/

"clever entrepreneur type ought to be marketing fashionably designed thin neoprene battery covers any day now.":

Dude, YOU can be a clever entre- whateverthat word is. Allz you need to do is to dip it in liquid latex (taping the end first, so you can recharge). Walla.

& you got a growing aftermarket.

Or, when you get 3000+ mAh AAs, only peel the portion of the wrap which would make contact with the copper-steel rail, or only enuf that the OD of the battery will allow sliding it into the battery port.

Why peel the whole banana, in the first place.

Win. Win.

obelisk said:

I've heard a lot of talk about sliding the battery in and then waiting for about 3-5 seconds before vapor starts to visibly accumulate in the trench.

this never happens to me, i never see any vapor formation under the transparent lid. however, if i am in the right light, after about 5 seconds i can see a steady stream of vapor escape from the draw hole. does this happen to anyone else?

also, how long do you let the battery make contact while drawing typically?

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Not that I consider myself an authority, but I think I can answer this. You wont really see vapor through the lid, you see it coming at you through the stem after a couple of seconds. With a fresh battery, it will happen faster and thicker. The only time I've seen anything under the lid is when I've combusted by leaving the battery in when I wasn't drawing or if I didn't empty the stem of vapor during my hit.

How long you let the battery make contact also is somewhat determined by how freshly charged the battery is. A weaker battery will need to make contact for a longer period of time. It also depends on your draw. I keep my battery in contact as long as I am drawing and withdraw it just before I can't hit it anymore. That way none of the vapor in the stem is wasted.

Try looking directly into the stem after making contact with the battery. You should be able to see the vapor approaching.

Hope this helps.

i'm ambidextrous and i find the lb most comfortable in my left hand.

what your expereiencing is spot on obelisk.

i take 2 deep breaths before i draw, so id say i want 7-8 seconds.

For those of us who like to share the uniqueness of the LB, but not pass the germs around, there is a simple solution.

Or a simple replacement for a lost stem. Or two.

You can pick up vinyl tubing at hardware stores, like Home Depot, virtually for a song.

An OD of 1/4" is a proper size for the vapor aperture of the LB.

You can now cut your draw tube to size, from the ultra short, to the uber lo-ong; from short stealth stem, to thru the length of your shirt arms, up & up-to-your-mouth draw.

At under $5 ( for a 20 ft coil ) you can make one, or two, personal draw tubes for all your friends you'd care to share the experience of vapping with the LB.

It's a unique experience. Especially with your own personal stem.





PS You may be able to pick up a short length from places like Rocky's, however $4 or $5 for 20' aint too bad.

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what your expereiencing is spot on obelisk.

i take 2 deep breaths before i draw, so id say i want 7-8 seconds.

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i'm leaving the battery on for about 10-15 seconds for a hit, including 2-3 seconds heat time, i've had no combustion yet. i don't think anyway. loads do take time though. any longer and i fear combustion so can't really take longer hits to speed up vape time.

is there any way (mod, drawing technique) to modulate the vapor to air ratio? i think this is an efficient unit, but taking small/thin sips over a period of time isn't very effective. more vapor needs to go in at once so it can hit a little harder, is my thought after hitting it all day for a little more than a day and a half. though, i am not even sure if that makes any sense

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Not that I consider myself an authority, but I think I can answer this. You wont really see vapor through the lid, you see it coming at you through the stem after a couple of seconds. With a fresh battery, it will happen faster and thicker. The only time I've seen anything under the lid is when I've combusted by leaving the battery in when I wasn't drawing or if I didn't empty the stem of vapor during my hit.

How long you let the battery make contact also is somewhat determined by how freshly charged the battery is. A weaker battery will need to make contact for a longer period of time. It also depends on your draw. I keep my battery in contact as long as I am drawing and withdraw it just before I can't hit it anymore. That way none of the vapor in the stem is wasted.

Try looking directly into the stem after making contact with the battery. You should be able to see the vapor approaching.

Hope this helps.

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Thanks. I was a little concerned about not seeing vapor accumulate under the transparent lid. Good to know it isn't an issue

Your comment on having to seat batteries for longer if they are weak is true. Though any approximate figures I've mentioned are for fresh batts.

I'm still learning how to use the unit best, which is a good excuse to vape more so things are good in this neighbourhood right now

Also, B., sorry I missed your post above. Funny you mention coconut oil. Back home, we used ghee, it was really good, fatty shite that it is And yes, the fattier the oil is, the better the extraction is. I have started saving the ABV again after your post so will try it once more if I have the patience to accumulate a decent amount again. I'll use more ABV, maybe that will facilitate better results. Thanks.

Sorry for 3 consecutive posts, but for some reason I think this is cleaner

Just wanted to say that from all the talk in the thread about batteries and chargers, I kind of automatically assumed that buying an after market charger was part and parcel of the cost of owning an LB. Not necessarily true.

Well, I have not had the LB long, 2 days only but the stock 4 hour charger and 2 sets of batts have been working very well for me. I have not been out (read: away from electric plug/charger) for long yet, so have been able to charge one set of batts while the other two last me during the four hour charge time. This would not work if I was out most of the day. So more batteries are, obviously, needed. I bought 8 Ansmann 2500mah LSD batts from thomas distributing. I am hoping these along with the 4 eneloops will remove any bleeping need for a fucking charger cuz I've spent far too much money since joining this forum already o my brothers (yah, i'm blaming you fuckers, now where do i go to get a VG? )

Anyway, for folks who were wondering: if you are careful enough to charge your batteries systematically, the stock Sanyo charger should be fine. If you are a prince with money, then feel free to indulge thyself fucker

Question: there are times when i think i've combusted because i get thicker vapor (isn't harsh though like smoke is) and that popcorny aftertaste, but I can never be sure if i really did combust or not cuz, like I said, there is no harshness. I've never combusted while vaping, and am wondering if combusting accidentally in the LB can be a subtle experience like this or is it ghastly and obvious (as in, bad/distinct enough to know its happened if it ever does)??

obelisk said:

is there any way (mod, drawing technique) to modulate the vapor to air ratio? i think this is an efficient unit, but taking small/thin sips over a period of time isn't very effective. more vapor needs to go in at once so it can hit a little harder, is my thought after hitting it all day for a little more than a day and a half. though, i am not even sure if that makes any sense

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I'm not after monster clouds, but you can get them on the LB (they aren't combustion) by using a very strong, fresh battery; preferably 2900 mah. Definitely getting more vapor. Myself, I find that 4-5 hits from the LB can get me to the point where I want to be, and an additional 2 hits every 90 minutes or so.

And a biggy is the quality of the weed you're using in it.

Using good weed, a fresh strong battery, and 5 seconds preheat makes this a one hitter for me.

Tom

obelisk said:

I've never combusted while vaping, and am wondering if combusting accidentally in the LB can be a subtle experience like this or is it ghastly and obvious (as in, bad/distinct enough to know its happened if it ever does)??

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I believe it's night and day. I have combusted in the LB a handful of times, and even more with my SSV(Sometimes I push the threshold), and for me the taste is very unmistakable, as well as the way it feels in my lungs and the sensation after(which isn't necessarily a bad thing). Also, the ABV will have charred to black or past it, turning white and into ash.

In fact, I think every time I've combusted, you can see the cherry ignite. I wonder if any type of combustion can occur without seeing the red glow of the cherry. I usually am alerted to the combustion by the flare up of the cherry before I actually taste it. Now that I think about it, the bud in the trench dries out as you vape it, and is primed for burning. When combustion happens it's by conduction, at the bottom of the trench, and as the heat of the initial cumbustion sets the bud above it ablaze. Hmmm, I feel like I'm rambling. I just took 4 or 5 hits off a zap stem topped off with kief thru my little 12 inch tube with a 5 arm tree and some ice...super smooth, super faded.

Anyhow, hope this helps.

B., cherry? What cherry?

If you are talking about the LED, it may be wise to minimize the combustion.

The "cherry" may be plastic encased......

Hopefully not.

Question: there are times when i think i've combusted because i get thicker vapor (isn't harsh though like smoke is) and that popcorny aftertaste, but I can never be sure if i really did combust or not cuz, like I said, there is no harshness. I've never combusted while vaping, and am wondering if combusting accidentally in the LB can be a subtle experience like this or is it ghastly and obvious (as in, bad/distinct enough to know its happened if it ever does)??

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Combusting can be slight or heavy. if you are seeing bits of black in your vaped herb, you have had light combustion and have probably noticed more of a burnt taste. With heavy combustion, well....let's just say there's no doubt what has happened. There's obvious smoke and you might even have a small bon fire going on in the LB. Unfortunately, I happen to know this from personal experience.

The one time that I combusted in my LB, I knew it less than a split second after it started. With my cat-like reflexes, I opened the lid, and blew that motherfucker out with the quickness. The mess wasn't big afterwords, though I still have the small stain on my screen that bugs the shit outta me...lol. I think you will know if you combust, so have no fears of being unsure.

obelisk

to add more air to your draw you can either start drawing earlier than you are, or pull the battery out and continue to draw. I personally pull the battery out and draw for an additional 10 seconds getting any of the material thats still warm and any vapor thats within the box. Also adds some oxygen to the draw.