The Herbalizer

nigel said:

I understand this is a complete breach of etiquette, but I am escalating this to the coup de grace of all dares, the sinister triple-dog-dare.


PS: Nice review.




Mark -- Oils/extractions aren't really my thing (just give me some nice fresh delicious flower) but I've tried a few, and Herbie is a complete champ with the concentrates. A little bit on the pad, and as @didolgi said:






@spincut -- Few things here: First is Herbie is much more precise in temp. Not only in resting (bowl is in stasis), but -- more importantly --
when the bowl is under load. It's the easier half to design a device whose resting temp is in at least in the ball park of where the user thinks it should be. It's significantly more difficult to make a device maintain temp under draw. Most other devices will do one of two things: Drop temp upon draw as heated air in the chamber is replaced by room-temp air; or spike in temp as pre-heated replaces the air in the chamber. In one case the temp you think you are getting is actually (effectively) below what you think it is, in the other the temp become higher than the user expects. Pretty much every vape I've dropped a thermocouple in has shown one of these two behaviors under measurement. Because of this, I pretty much take just about any reported temp on most devices as a "guideline" for the general area it is in. (Even my beloved portable is subject to a potential large thermal drop. But I know this and modify my technique to minimize this, and get pretty decent thermal response.) But don't trust the reported temp as anything other than a ballpark.

Not the Herbie. The Herbie demonstrates a nearly flat curve when subject to load from standing, and then back again. Amazing.


Also, point two: Not *ALL* of us live in the high temps. A little bit of observational bias with some of the crowd here. Some people are indeed targeting compounds at higher temps (and even higher than what you listed), but by no means is that all of us. I'm a lower-temp kinda bloke, unless it is end of the night but even then I won't go above 392°F.


PS: I wouldn't hold off on getting a unit. The Limited Edition is still available now (technically, although *we* have had it for half of a year, it's really only been out for a short time). There are no major fixes needed, and it will be a long time before we will see a 2.0… the next version of Herbie you see will be the non-Limited Edition version, so I would jump on it now!



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Ok, that was a lot to take in. But I'm not so sure it really addresses my confusion? Mostly because, based on what you're saying, it means the Herbalizer should run less hot, not more hot. Firstly, I was under the impression the Volcano digit at least was decently accurate, so guidline or otherwise, it's margin for error is decently slim as well. And if the heating element were NEARER to the base, I would imagine that would only allow for cooler than needed temps, not hotter. So yeah, I'm still a little confused as to why people are running stuff so hot, ESPECIALLY since it can keep the temp so much easier than, say, a volcano (again though, it does seem to do a better job than most even still in that regard).

Case in point, even with the guildine idea, running my volcano anywhere near the 400's sounds insane, so I guess I'm just surprised that's an ideal temp for the herbe. Heck, on paper I just figured mid 300's was good, and that 400 and up would just scorch the darn thing.

Hmmm and what leads you to believe a 2.0 isn't around the corner, and rather just a slimmed down "slightly less good" edition of what's out now? I mean, I do have a volcano after all, so unless I would be getting a seriously great future proof deal via grabbing it from a friend in the 500's, I could wait, enjoying a perfectly nice vape I've had for years in the meantime (but yes, the temptation for something new that can do dabs nicely is high...no pun intended..).

spincut said:

Ok, that was a lot to take in. But I'm not so sure it really addresses my confusion?

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Heh... sorry. I was making a lot of points, some of them more general than your question.

spincut said:

So yeah, I'm still a little confused as to why people are running stuff so hot

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Personal choice. It all depends on the effect/medication one is after. @didolgi in the post above yours is a perfect example (although IIRC, CBN is more in the 365°F range, so perhaps it is CBC, which should be around 428°F, or some of the terpenoids or other compounds in the higher temps that they were targeting). If you are seeing a lot of people in the high temps, either a lot of people prefer it, or the people that do are more vocal. My point was that there are a lot of us low temp people out there. And/or there are a lot of people that might change their temps, depending on situation/time of day/whatever. A 420°F night-time hitter, might go 330°F during the day. Etc.

There is no "right answer" except what is right for you.

spincut said:

so I guess I'm just surprised that's an ideal temp for the herbe.

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SEE: Previous statement.

spincut said:

and that 400 and up would just scorch the darn thing.

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Well, not 400°F, and if you are "scorching things" at 400°F, perhaps that's not really 400°F.
http://www.herbalizer.com/so-what-really-is-combustion-why-herbalize/

spincut said:

based on what you're saying, it means the Herbalizer should run less hot, not more hot.

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That's not quite it. What I was getting at was not "less hot" or "more hot" with the Herbie, but "EXACTLY hot." A lot of other devices will wind up giving you hotter or colder than you think. The thermal curve on the Herbie, under changing conditions, produces a near flat line. You get exactly (well... within a few degrees tolerance) the temp you expect , not a ballpark.

Oh, I forgot to mention, that each Herbie is calibrated by hand before being shipped out. So whatever little differences between units might exist, they would be negated by individual calibration (thermal-wise). This further refines the precision of the device.

spincut said:

Hmmm and what leads you to believe a 2.0 isn't around the corner, and rather just a slimmed down "slightly less good" edition of what's out now?

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Well... there is *ALWAYS* a 2.0, isn't there. It's just a debate as to what "just around the corner" means. How big is your corner?
My point was that, the next edition you'll see will be the normal edition. Not sure I'll say "slightly less good" as it is the same Herbie, but with some changes that don't impact functionality (like not in the Limited Edition color, or extras and what-not)

There has been quite a bit of conversation in the thread about temperature control and comparing Herbie to other vapes. I'm not sure if this will help explain, but I often find by analogy people can make the connection....

note: all of my statements below are based on experience with Herbie, I have no specific knowledge of the construction or parts used. I have not, and will not take a screwdriver to Herbie.

Herbie has a very small published tolerance of +/-5F. From measurements myself an other members have done in the real world its tolerance is much smaller, but they publish the +/-5 number to give themselves a little wiggle room.

When you are talking about any temperature control system, from your home AC/Heating, to an industrial process, there is something called the 'deadband' We're all familiar with with it but don't think about it.

Using the home AC as something we all know.... You set your thermostat to 75, when the thermostat sees the home is 76 it runs until it thinks the air is cooled off to 74, then it shuts off and waits until 76 again. In this case its a dead band of 3 degrees. All equipment that controls temperature has a deadband. Its what tells the heating or cooling source to start or stop.

Smaller deadbands require more sensitive sensors and controls to support them. Almost Every (electronic) vape out there has to control the heat source, and the accuracy of the sensor and responsiveness of the heat source dictate how small that deadband is. In the MFLB for example, your finger pressing the battery is the control, no sensor.

Older folks will remember home thermostats with mercury vials on coiled bi-metal springs. That is a form of very inexpensive temperature sensing/control - it has a wide deadband. The spring reacted to temperature changes and moved the vial. Move the clock forward into the 21st century and we are surrounded by highly a accurate digital sensors.

Add a very reactive heat source to an accurate sensor, and you have Herbie. If you kept Herbie's sensor and changed the heat source to something less reactive, like a coil of nichrome wire and by the time the sensor sees its time to shut off the wire has already overshot the target, and you are much hotter then you expected.

That is the Science of Herbie - very accurate sensor tied to a precision heat source that can be control in tiny fractions of a second.

Another way to think of this is a sine wave - the peaks are the top of the dead band, the valleys are the bottom of the dead band. The smaller the peaks and valleys the better the control. The center point of the wave is the desired temperature.

I hope this helps explain a little about temperature control and how Herbie does what it does.

Hey guys look up herbalizer volcano killer video.

You'll see how accurate and fast the herbie is compared to the volcano.
Its shows real time video showing the temp differnce in the volcano and its accuracy.

I'm sold on the herbie it looks so good so sweet
And medically it seems to be the unit for me I've never seen such a temperature controlled vape period, that can effectively extract cannabinoids that are vital to my well being, to take a hit and stop vomiting or getting rid of nausea in a instant is Unheard of and being A medically retired nurse I'm so excited and would love to see such a machine in hospital vapor lounges lol.

When I see such a unit I see relief for the sick and dying I was a palliative care nurse and if this this was available years ago when I first got sick I might not be 105 lbs and maybe I'd still have some muscle mass and maybe I wouldn't of went from 180 lbs to 105 lbs.

Wasting syndrome from most vasectomy pain syndrome( fancy word for testicular nerve damage) due to severe and extreme pain and discomfort guys don't get a vasectomy!
Hey guys a kick in the balls anyone ? We all know the pain, nausea, up into the abdominal cavity universal kring in the movies by all men as a man gets hit in the gonads.

Well I'm dealing with this 24/7 so instant relief for me is a must, this never goes away for me some days worse some days less but always there. Kick after kick for the last 10 years and the medical community drugged me up so much thinking morphine was the only answer which in reality it was but Cannabis has has given me back my life back to a degree I thought would never be possible.

I used to sleep 18 hrs a day drugged up, sick and in so much pain at the beginning and then I learned to use cannabis and medicate and vaporize and use cannabis is so,many different ways it changed everything in my life and I grew my medicine for 10 years and know the goverment here in Canada has taken my right to grow and has made my life a hardship once again taking my resources for a substantial supply of medicine to help my health and well being.

I say all this cause I don't have the edibles, the oils, the butter, the cookies, the 6 to 10 different strains indica, sativas, hybrids, water hash, honey oil that I used to make and have to help me live and I've been reduced to just vaporizing a limited amount of medicine due to being on a permanent disabilty and now have to buy it from a license producer at a ridiculous prices with have greatly affected my well being.

So the herbie is for me not only to help medicate me effectively and get the cannabinoids I need from my medicine but also to conserve and manage my medicine so it lasts and gets me thru each month.

The herbalizer seems to be what I need extracting the essential cbd for anti - inflammatory properties is a must for me plus the appetite stimulation and anti- emetic properties as well and this can all be done and accomplished with the herbalizer this isn't a Toy to me or just another cool vape I'm strictly medical and this is as medical as it gets in the medicinal cannabis life style.

Cheers,
Medical mark



Medical mark

spincut said:

So yeah, I'm still a little confused as to why people are running stuff so hot,...

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New toy syndrome.
The fact that it can get so hot so fast leads us to do it.
Then we learned we could get insanely medicated insanely fast, so the insanity remained, and is now a status quo among those that love Herbie for its fast arrival at the medicated state of your desire.
I have a digi volcano here too (a couple).
Even though I usually go Volcano at 377º....I sometimes do bags of Volcano at the top of the dial (446º).....
... I do so when I am in mood to use the Volcano for it's large bags and larger chamber, and get a close to Herbie level of medication.

Vitolo said:

New toy syndrome.

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I HAVE THIS!!!! Is there no cure?

Vitolo said:

Then we learned we could get insanely medicated insanely fast, so the insanity remained, and is now a status quo among those that love Herbie for its fast arrival at the medicated state of your desire.

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Absolutely back this statement! Load Herbie with a dank strain, set to Max temp (if desired), and the Vapor is DENSE!!! (Imagine what it's like breathing in a steam room! Seriously!)

Herbie has taken my World, then it!

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Vitolo said:

New toy syndrome.
The fact that it can get so hot so fast leads us to do it.
Then we learned we could get insanely medicated insanely fast, so the insanity remained, and is now a status quo among those that love Herbie for its fast arrival at the medicated state of your desire.
I have a digi volcano here too (a couple).
Even though I usually go Volcano at 377º....I sometimes do bags of Volcano at the top of the dial (446º).....
... I do so when I am in mood to use the Volcano for it's large bagsand larger chamber, and get a close to Herbie level of medication.

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DDave said:

I HAVE THIS!!!! Is there no cure?



Absolutely back this statement! Load Herbie with a dank strain, set to Max temp (if desired), and the Vapor is DENSE!!! (Imagine what it's like breathing in a steam room! Seriously!)

Herbie has taken my World, then it!

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Ok, these posts in particular I think are helping me understand what's going on (sorry previous two dudes, but one was just overly heavy, and the other still seemed to explain "margin of error" as the reason, and really, when we're talking about Volcano Vs. Herbie, that doesn't make sense to be so large, beyond preference, but I always thought an "accurate" 400+ temp setting anyway was still pretty hot, but more on that in a sec).

When I first got my Volcano (digit) I assumed it was pretty accurate (it was, particularly at the time), so I basically want to see literally what temp would be good to vape at. I saw what THC vaped at to start, and figured to go a bit above that, and incrementally crank it up a degree or two each bag until it was done. After extensive use, I got this down from about 350 to start, and the 360's when it was finished. It got nice and ABV brown and loose from that, AND I got a good deal of vapey bags. I can certainly understand preference, but I couldn't see why anyone would want to go higher or lower with that setup (and yeah, I looked up to see where stuff was vaped at to make sure I was getting the meds, granted I guess I never really looked beyond THC, and actually saving the browned but still CBD(?) rich stuff for baking always seemed like a smarter idea than squeezing a last drop or two by going up further).

So yeah, that's sort of why the idea of 400+ being "scorchy", because quite frankly it is, not nearly as many bags anyway. Then I realized a few things. One, it's probably different for whips. And yeah, what these guys seem to be saying, that some people want to get kick their sweet new toy up to it's max, get all the meds, get high as fuck, and just be a bit decadent with their decadent machine. I'm sure 400+ off the bat is probably great for a bag or two of super amazing vapor, so why not, but yeah, I'd probably just temp manage to further economize my weed (I can get 10 or so regular bags from one volcano bowl, and am pretty happy with that).

Anyway, it would be nice to know what kind of "regular" herbie (or 2.0) is on the horizon, if it will contain any improvements or just "differences", and what the new price will be (I'm guessing possibly 599..), but yeah, the temptation to pounce today is great... I guess if they change anything to do with the clamshell top (I hope they do, or someone makes some alts to swap out) or software (these can update, yes?) that it would still not be a big deal.

spincut said:

Case in point, even with the guildine idea, running my volcano anywhere near the 400's sounds insane, so I guess I'm just surprised that's an ideal temp for the herbe. Heck, on paper I just figured mid 300's was good, and that 400 and up would just scorch the darn thing.
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Then call me insane! Combustion does not occur until 451F. It will not "scorch the darn thing" lol...
Like I said, there is no perfect temperature. You need to experiment and determine what temperature is right for you based on your personal preferences. Trust me, the Herbalizer is the real deal!

Chill Dude said:

Then call me insane! Combustion does not occur until 451F. It will not "scorch the darn thing" lol...
Like I said, there is no perfect temperature. You need to experiment and determine what temperature is right for you based on your personal preferences. Trust me, the Herbalizer is the real deal!

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But yeah, I guess that's my point, I'd personally want to stay quite a ways away from 451, certainly not at 445 . I feel like to really reuse the herb, it would be best to get just about as low as you can before it isn't vaping and then increase from there?

Of course the preference comes in when you just want to say "fack it" and turbo charge a bag of fresh dank nug, because, you know, you can ;P .

Yeah, Spincut, I think you answered your own question. You prefer lower temperatures and then use the ABV to make some tasty baked goods so as to not waste any remaining canabinoids. There's nothing wrong with that. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

As to version 2, who knows? All I now is that Herbalizer is a top notch company and they have spent an enormous amount of money on R and D over the past three years to bring this exceptional device to market. That said, I would be very surprised if we see any type of price drop for at least a year. Who knows, I could be wrong. Like I said, if you can deal with the price, I think you'll be very happy with Herbie. On the other hand, it seems like you're really enjoying your Volcano. You said you were interested in a vape that could do concentrates right? If you're happy with your Volcano for buds, why not buy a top notch concentrate vape like the Persei at $175 or Cera at $250? Or even a small vape pen like the VB Dabbler at $100? That way you'd be covered on bud and concentrates and you wouldn't have to fork out $729. But IMO, the Herbalizer is worth every penny and I have no buyers remorse. Actually, I don't recall even one person on this thread saying they regretted buying The Herbalizer. Anyway, just my two cents.....

@spincut Get the discounted Herbie. Trust me, it'll be worth it. Also, I don't know why you assume there is a new version 'around the corner' and why you assume it'll be cheaper?

Or stick with the Volcano, you seem satisfied with it.



Edit: Ninja'd by @Chill Dude

Youtube / herbalizer volcano killer video.

I'm sold on this herbalizer madcap I understand the biast lol

About 4 years ago in amsterdam spending time with my relatives me ant my wife and cousin went to a coffeshop for some meds and I was able to use a Volcano never have since but I was very impressed at the time and concluded it was the best the price was high which for me on a disability was out of the question but I was glad I had a opportunity to try it.

Now saying that I have no other way to gage the herbie but if folks are saying its better and giving thick, smooth, medicated vapor and operates better then the volcano with precise temp accuracy then I'll be one happy man when I get a herbie.

I've used the volcano but not the herbie but if its better then ill be one happy man.

Cheers, medical mark

Wasn't my intension to compare units. I've never used a Volcano, so I cannot compare. Just saying that if you can get a Herbie at a discount and you have the means, it would be a good investment.

Chill Dude said:

Yeah, Spincut, I think you answered your own question. You prefer lower temperatures and then use the ABV to make some tasty baked goods so as to not waste any remaining canabinoids. There's nothing wrong with that. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

As to version 2, who knows? All I now is that Herbalizer is a top notch company and they have spent an enormous amount of money on R and D over the past three years to bring this exceptional device to market. That said, I would be very surprised if we see any type of price drop for at least a year. Who knows, I could be wrong. Like I said, if you can deal with the price, I think you'll be very happy with Herbie. On the other hand, it seems like you're really enjoying your Volcano. You said you were interested in a vape that could do concentrates right? If you're happy with your Volcano for buds, why not buy a top notch concentrate vape like the Persei at $175 or Cera at $250? Or even a small vape pen like the VB Dabbler at $100? That way you'd be covered on bud and concentrates and you wouldn't have to fork out $729. But IMO, the Herbalizer is worth every penny and I have no buyers remorse. Actually, I don't recall even one person on this thread saying they regretted buying The Herbalizer. Anyway, just my two cents.....

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I never felt it was a preference, given it was dictated quite literally realtive to where these things vape at, and at first I had no idea about the ABV stuff, it just seemed like it was all in all done by the time it was loose and brown (and really it is, I "could" vape it more, but I never felt like I got much out of it at that point? I guess I am surprised at the prospect that anyone does, which really isn't the case because it's not so much that people don't get to the same exact ending point, just seemingly a lot quicker at a lot higher temp, I dunno, if I ever saw a friend doing that in person I'd at least encourage him to slow it down to economize his bud more, but yeah I suppose if he had some interesting reason involving vape a specific chemical that only comes out at higher temps, who am I to argue).

I think there's been a bit of confusion over my mention of my Volcano. Yes I own one, and yes I'm happy with it, I got it because it was the best bag vape on the market I can find. But I'm not so sure that means I shouldn't consider or get the herbie. It's always nice to have a new toy, and like I said, something to use for dabs would be nice. And despite me swearing up and down on Storz's excellent valve system (and at least from afar it doesn't feel like the Herbie tops it ideally in that department), I will freely admit that owning a volcano doesn't meet "every" one of my smoking needs (mostly due to me not wanting to mess with it and dabs, but there's also a lack of direct hit). Anyway, I hardly see it as a reason to "pick" my volcano over the herbie, I'm sure they'd got along fine sitting next to each other on my shelf ;P .

To also clarify, I don't really want to use my volcano for dabs, I dont trust it to stay clean, whereas people have paid the herbie high compliments for this floating pad method that seems to vape the wax and leave nothing behind comparatively, I like that.

The Persei never rang my bell (nor did the Omicron for that matter), but I had never heard of the Cera? Anyway, I DO own an Atmos RX for oil (hits darn well compared to most other pens I've seen, although like most other pens, is rather junky). Unless you're implying the Cera hits better for dabs than the Herbie I dunno if I'd consider it an alternative? And it was aways sort of my fantasy to own something desktop style that could do dabs as well as my volcano, I feel, does dry stuff.

If the Cera could outpace my Atmos I would still be curious about that though, but that would still be more for portable stuff still. So yeah, unless there in fact is something out there that is a high quality impressive dab vape (because I still technically don't really see them), seems like the Herbie is a good vape for that too? Or am incorrect in that assumption?

Part of me also wasn't really sure if this "limited edition" was indeed a swank limited edition, or a bonafide beta test (in which case I'd be tempted to wait for one that fixes what few bugs are left). I just mentioned I had a volcano that I was happy with as the inference that I could at least wait if a non-limited (and possibly updated) model was imminent. If it's as good as people say it is I'd rather not get one and then less than a year in wish I held out. A year, I suppose, is not really imminent, especially if it's not really going to be anything more than a slightly stripped down "S" model (if we're pretending like this thing is a next gen console anyway ) . No one has yet to answer my question as to whether the software will be updateable, but hopefully!

And of course the only reason I'm nitpicking so hard is because at that cost, even with a discount, it's pricey, and I'd like to make sure I don't have buyers remorse, certainly not because something with a few nice to have fixes came down the pipe after from the very same place (yes, I'm making a lot of assumptions here, but I figured at this rate a lot of people in this thread may have heard where the company is going on their future releases).

Maybe contact the manufacturer about software updates?

I cleaned 3 out of 4 SqueezeValve/Happiness Balloon and put on a small Reynolds Turkey bags. These bags are even smaller than the stock OEM bags and fill up before the fan shuts off. I am getting about two to three solid rips of a filled bag.

I used these simply because it was all that was in my drawer, and found a few advantages to the small bags.
-Less time to fill
-Better vapor output/flavor over a wide range of temperatures with one bowl pack vs big bag
-I'm sure there are some other advantages. Too tired to continue.

Using two SqueezeValve/Happiness Balloons, I start at 320ish, and fill up one SqueezeValve/Happiness Balloon. Give the bowl a good shake, hit the filledSqueezeValve/Happiness Balloon, raise the temp 15 degrees. Then fill the other SqueezeValve/Happiness Balloon. Keep repeating and raising temperature. This gives you a bag to hit at all times. Hope this makes sense I'm done. Lots of Herbieian.

This is first bag at 325°F. The bill is for size scale/reference.

Medical Mark said:

Hey guys look up herbalizer volcano killer video.

You'll see how accurate and fast the herbie is compared to the volcano.
Its shows real time video showing the temp differnce in the volcano and its accuracy.

I'm sold on the herbie it looks so good so sweet
And medically it seems to be the unit for me I've never seen such a temperature controlled vape period, that can effectively extract cannabinoids that are vital to my well being, to take a hit and stop vomiting or getting rid of nausea in a instant is Unheard of and being A medically retired nurse I'm so excited and would love to see such a machine in hospital vapor lounges lol.

When I see such a unit I see relief for the sick and dying I was a palliative care nurse and if this this was available years ago when I first got sick I might not be 105 lbs and maybe I'd still have some muscle mass and maybe I wouldn't of went from 180 lbs to 105 lbs.

Wasting syndrome from most vasectomy pain syndrome( fancy word for testicular nerve damage) due to severe and extreme pain and discomfort guys don't get a vasectomy!
Hey guys a kick in the balls anyone ? We all know the pain, nausea, up into the abdominal cavity universal kring in the movies by all men as a man gets hit in the gonads.

Well I'm dealing with this 24/7 so instant relief for me is a must, this never goes away for me some days worse some days less but always there. Kick after kick for the last 10 years and the medical community drugged me up so much thinking morphine was the only answer which in reality it was but Cannabis has has given me back my life back to a degree I thought would never be possible.

I used to sleep 18 hrs a day drugged up, sick and in so much pain at the beginning and then I learned to use cannabis and medicate and vaporize and use cannabis is so,many different ways it changed everything in my life and I grew my medicine for 10 years and know the goverment here in Canada has taken my right to grow and has made my life a hardship once again taking my resources for a substantial supply of medicine to help my health and well being.

I say all this cause I don't have the edibles, the oils, the butter, the cookies, the 6 to 10 different strains indica, sativas, hybrids, water hash, honey oil that I used to make and have to help me live and I've been reduced to just vaporizing a limited amount of medicine due to being on a permanent disabilty and now have to buy it from a license producer at a ridiculous prices with have greatly affected my well being.

So the herbie is for me not only to help medicate me effectively and get the cannabinoids I need from my medicine but also to conserve and manage my medicine so it lasts and gets me thru each month.

The herbalizer seems to be what I need extracting the essential cbd for anti - inflammatory properties is a must for me plus the appetite stimulation and anti- emetic properties as well and this can all be done and accomplished with the herbalizer this isn't a Toy to me or just another cool vape I'm strictly medical and this is as medical as it gets in the medicinal cannabis life style.

Cheers,
Medical mark



Medical mark

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You do realize you can still grow legally?
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/03/21/medical-marijuana-canada-laws-court_n_5008988.html

Not that some bs permit should prevent you from growing anyways...

TheDoctor76859 said:

Talk of the easter egg reminded me of the coward that I am. I do not have the heart to punch buttons at random. After watching my Herbie switch between modes twice I felt like I was abusing it and had to give up.

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Funny, that's exactly what I did. Once I discovered that you can hit the aromatherapy button to turn it off, I tried that. It

kitkatjam22 said:

Goodbye $787.. hello recouping $787 in more economical smoking....

I did it.

I, too, am an Herbie owner.

(That could be a commercial)

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Congrats! You won't be let down. I own both the Evo and the Herbalizer, but find myself using the Herbie more.

In a dream world someone would create a Frankenstein monster hybrid of the two vaporizers. Like a Supersized Off Road Herbie with bigger magnetic bowls that can easily be connected to Hydratubes, etc. Well, a person can dream...

Gosh i am still sad to have lost my pal herbie. It is the vapolution 2.0 which cuddle me now.

The full bag upthere is what i obtained everytime at full blast (229°C) on the 1rst bag and with every top load. Herbie is so efficient that the 2nd bag of herb microloads are very clear and there is no 3rd bag. For the mixes herb+resin or qwet, the Mini ELB technique permits to avoid any stirring. 3 bags of the most concentrated vapor i ever seen....at least 3.

Vaping the SS mesh balls heavily soaked in it is truly dangerous and leads to insane overmedication, the resin is just put in aerosol too fast. we approach the waste situation since your lung cannot take it all.

I broke herbie this week, @PlanetVape did react to the situation and waits for herbalizer reaction.

I managed to have a maintenance screen by pushing the 3 buttons a long time (ill post a pic later of it). Ill try again to blow hard air on it to see if it reset or if there is a way to reset the error statement. If it lives again ill be enchanted to not going on to the shipping back carousel

I may just have found the Easter Egg on accident. It must be the egg because I have never seen it mentioned before anywhere.

@Vapodudule My Herbalizer with aroma pad and Herbalizer whip sublimate made for one of the whitest bag ever seen as well. It almost made me throw up.

Darb said:

You do realize you can still grow legally?
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/03/21/medical-marijuana-canada-laws-court_n_5008988.html

Not that some bs permit should prevent you from growing anyways...

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Actually your right Darb but to keep being legal last April I would be illegal and a criminal if we the growers kept on growing, so me being the honest and non criminal type I change my lisence over and after I did that the gov decided to let us keep our lisences for a other year but since I switched over they will not give me it back, so I'm fucked.
They screwed me over big time and now the producer I'm with has no strains half the time and can't supply my medical needs and as we speak has not had any strains for the last month. I had my grow lisence for 10 years on of the first 1000 to be legal now there 40000 legal patients which the gov producers can't supply a adequate supply of medicine.
They would have to grow 20 pounds a months to supply all of us.
Yes I've been had

Medical mark

Medical Mark said:

Youtube / herbalizer volcano killer video.

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Mark, was this the video of which you spake?

spincut said:

Firstly, I was under the impression the Volcano digit at least was decently accurate,

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I don't have access to a digit to test right now, but in that video they did measure temps starting at 4:35. If I read the video correctly, they are both at the same real temp, although the Digit thinks/reports it is at a much higher temp than it really is. So that would account for at least some of the "Why do Herbie user seem to be at higher temps?".

Honestly, I don't recall it being *that* off, and I'd rather test it myself again, as I can control for variables and get more accurate results. (I would test at a range of temps, transition from resting to at load, and use a thermocouple rather than kitchen thermometer.) But, again, don't have one to get my grubby mitts on right now.

Oh, and am I "overly-heavy dude" or "margin-of-error-dude"?
I'm hoping it is the former, as long as you mean "wordy" and not just calling me "fat".

spincut said:

Part of me also wasn't really sure if this "limited edition" was indeed a swank limited edition, or a bonafide beta test

No one has yet to answer my question as to whether the software will be updateable, but hopefully!

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Bonafide release, not a beta-test. (Unless one wants to argue that EVERYTHING is a beta-test these days.)

The Herbie is a computer, controlling a specific task. ("More powerful than a Sega Genesis" as was oft said.) So, it would be updatable in theory, although not user-servicable. However, unless it isn't vaping properly (which would be a hand re-calibraion at the factory, not an update), what else would you want to be "updated" to?

My vote goes for Tetris.

Ya that's the one,

I thaught it was a good comparison and I watched some others and I'm convinced its better (the herbie) not having been able to try it but having tried the volcano years ago I'd be more then impressed if performance could even get better which it has obviousley with the herbie.
I can't wait to see this thing fill a balloon and medicate me like a boss, lol that's was cheesy I know

Either way I believe it is sure bet and the accuracy would greatly assist the cannabinoids to release the essential effects that cannabis is able to release which we can benefit from in so many ways with so many different effects.

Cheers medical mark

That video comparing the herbalizer and volcano, testing wasn't done properly because when they tested for temperature accuracy they measured the temperature of the volcano with the probe on the filling chambers top screen but the makers of the volcano say they measure the temperature at the lower screen of the filling chamber. The herbalizer makers might calibrate it near the top screen, which may be why the guys reading was off only 2 degrees. His way of measuring is what gave the wrong readings.


I think the reason why the herb came out different between the two vaporizers is because the volcano blows a lot of hot air through the herb , and the filing chamber is bigger so it holds more of the hot air so the plant fibers have more time to be in contact with the hot air, this isn't necessarily good because if the temperature is accurate, you don't need that much time to extract the substances you want. It is good though if you are using a lot of herb and the chamber is full. The herbalizer has smaller filling chamber, so its easy to reduce the rate of the airflow, and that means the air will cool down much quicker, as it passes through the herb, then the volcano chamber, if its filled up. Look at the two chambers in the video and you can see, the volcanr is so big you can still see some of the screen under the herb and that means exact temperature hitting more of the herb, and ultimately degrade the chlorophyll fast. The herbalizer's chamber was full and no screen was seen, and that means the hot air cooled off faster as it passed through the plant fibers. It will probably be the same color as the herb in the volcano if the testing was longer for the herbalizer instead of 60 second. Or it could have happened if he used way less herb.

Remember all of this is allegedly happening.

Luchiano, you're right when you say the test wasn't done properly. At 4:45 when they're testing the accuracy of herbie, the temp is set to 300, but the loading bar shows the actual temp in the 400 range. And yet they read 298? Hmm. Also convenient that they didn't include the bowl at all in the picture.