The Herbalizer

stickstones said:

@lazylathe -- no shit...mine's not going anywhere except with me!

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Well i managed to let my just returned EVO leave me for a few weeks, but the Herbie has some kind of hold on me...

I've learned that if the internal cooling fan is going and you want to shut it down after a while you simply do the Herbie on it's side trick. Once placed level again the fan stays off. I am not talking about the big fan we control, I'm talking about the small internal cooling fan.

And btw, I don't recommend doing this. If it is cooling there's a reason.

mvapes said:

I've learned that if the internal cooling fan is going and you want to shut it down after a while you simply do the Herbie on it's side trick. Once placed level again the fan stays off. I am not talking about the big fan we control, I'm talking about the small internal cooling fan.

And btw, I don't recommend doing this. If it is cooling there's a reason.

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You can also silence the fan by quickly turning Herbie off and back on - either by closing and opening the lid or by pressing the vaportherapy button on and off.

lazylathe said:

@biohacker and @stickstones Not sure if i can let the Herbie leave my side for a few weeks...
That instant heat up is a hard thing to replace with the EVO's long heat up time.
LOL!!! Maybe a week at the most!

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Oh no worries dude, I would never be able to part you from your Herbie! I still am in awe that you let go of new EVO! But next time we chill i'll definitely be hitting the Herbie as i'm pretty well versed with the EVO now.

I received my Herbie on Saturday, and here my initial impressions..I am floored by this device!

-nearly instant heat up.-
This takes some getting used to. It is ready to go so quickly, you have to prepare everything beforehand! Once, I loaded the chamber, then turned the unit on without the top part of the bowl attached.. it blew my herb all over. Wont do that again!

-Efficiency-
using significantly less per load and getting stronger effects. I am a caregiver and I have to be very careful to not over medicate my patient. Over medicating with Herbie is a real concern in the beginning.
The quick (nonexistant) heat up time is amazing when someone needs pain relief immediately- no more watching someone suffer for a few minutes while the vape heats up.

-Flavor with the whip-
It's much different than what i am used to, but the end result is the vapor is cool by the time it gets to your mouth. The flavor is great, but not as strong as I am used to- may have something to do with it being so much cooler. (?)

-The bags-
I will reiterate what everyone has been saying, the bags are easy to use and so much fun when guests are over! Mine don't seem to leak at this stage. Using the bags the flavor is awesome.

-effects-
Every strain I have seems stronger, and the effects feel different. I am now going through each strain and they all feel different, as i think Sticks said more "balanced"

-Temp control-
I have been sticking around 420, except the bags were 445. I had a couple sessions at 390, and it is a big difference.

-fan-
The flower dabbing method Vitolo mentioned, using the fan, wow, just WOW.

I was concerned initially because there was a "hair dryer" smell on the higher temps. I ran the unit on 445 with the fan on and after the 10th time, the smell started to go away. Herbalizer support said its normal and goes away pretty quickly. Nothing to be concerned about as I expected.

Tonight, time for more testing!

Herbalizer crew , and everyone who posted about Herbie here in this forum,
THANK YOU!!!!

Criminy, this thing is like crack for VAS addicts. I've got to find some of my family's jewelry to sell or skip a few dozen meals so I can scrape together the cash for this thing.

So how do you guys know this isn't just a "new vape" halo on the different, more intense medicated feeling that will fade over time. I know some of you have had Herbie for a while now and that you've probably already testified to this before, but well......I just need to hear you guys say it again

My skin must be getting really thin because as a Colorado resident the propaganda about legalization is really starting to bother me. The governor here is going to be spending a significant amount of marijuana tax revenue on education, but I’m skeptical about its education value. One of my pet peeves about things we all hear, for example, is the general references to “smoking” marijuana, as though that’s the only use; the other is the argument that uses children as a reason against legalization when all the proposals to legalize are for adults only.

There’s more, but as a vaporizer audience I’m sure I’m preaching to the choir. Am I the only one who feels this way? I support legalization because it’s a constitutional right and, assuming more states follow Colorado legalizing for recreational use, I would like to see the Herbalizer as common in homes as televisions (with parental controls of course). So to facilitate that end, I’m requesting you post your story if you have one on herbalizer.com. Positive stories are important; specifically about the effect that vaporization can have on your life, beginning with mental health experiences, sleep, medical relief, the quality of life, and so forth. It takes more than one person or manufacturer saying it, so put your story together and contribute here on FC and at:

http://www.herbalizer.com/product/the-herbalizer-limited-edition/#reviews

(click the website link for customer reviews or go to bottom of page)

Thanks in advance

Mister G said:

Criminy, this thing is like crack for VAS addicts. I've got to find some of my family's jewelry to sell or skip a few dozen meals so I can scrape together the cash for this thing.

So how do you guys know this isn't just a "new vape" halo on the different, more intense medicated feeling that will fade over time. I know some of you have had Herbie for a while now and that you've probably already testified to this before, but well......I just need to hear you guys say it again

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Not quite sure there is scientific evidence of this but from my perspective i can say this:

Since Herbie has arrived my usage went up in the beginning due to the newness and just being that Herbie is plain damn cool and easy to use!
After 2 months with Herbie my usage has dropped to 2 maybe 3 bowls per night.
Each bowl is usually under 0,1g or right at 0,1g.
Depending on strain i may only need one bowl to effectively medicate and relieve pretty much all my aches and pains. This is a breakthrough IMO!
Herbie has really shone brightly for me with the use of a WT, this changed Herbie so dramamtically for me and i found the extraction to be much better.
And the time factor has allowed me that quick vape before leaving the house without making my wife wait 20 minutes, i can be done and ready to go in under 2 minutes!!

The only thing that used to concern me was the light ABV i always got from Herbie.
So i tested the ABV in the EVO and got nothing!!! Not even a small whisp of vapor, just that i am done flavor!
The same canot be said for some of my other vapes...
Vaping the Solo ABV is awesome just before bed! I can get a few good pulls and good clouds and the medifcated effect is strong. I usually vape from 4 to 6 on the Solo.

I am not sure what is going on here but my vapes used has dwindled to two with the third one being used occasionally and that is the Nano. The Nano is reserved for concentrates in cotton because it really extracts them well.
So between Herbie and the EVO (Cloud+ for now) i am set for pretty much anything!

Mister G said:

So how do you guys know this isn't just a "new vape" halo on the different, more intense medicated feeling that will fade over time. I know some of you have had Herbie for a while now and that you've probably already testified to this before, but well......I just need to hear you guys say it again

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I don't know because I haven't had it long enough. I won't really know for about another three or four weeks. But at this point I can give you some anecdotal thoughts to ponder.

1 -- I've owned over twenty vapes for flowers only and am convinced that this vape signature thing is real. This is supported by my perceptions when I get a new vape or switch to a seldom used vape. Both situations hit me hard with the same herb I've been using consistently in a different vape.
2 -- I have taken advantage of this by having several different high quality vapes to rotate, effectively keeping my tolerance in check at times.
3 -- The vapes I detect a signature in most are the units with more conduction. The Pinnacle and Baker products use a significant amount of conduction and I can tell the difference. They hit much more stoney and sleepy, almost making it possible to perceive indica/sativa effects simply by using a different vape...I don't think it is just the temp that makes a difference here in the experience.
4 -- Along the lines of this tolerance thing...if I use any vape consistently enough I will start to need more herb for the same effects. I have noticed that this happens quicker in the conduction vapes. I could use the Cloud exclusively for weeks or months before noticing any drop off in effect (I'm talking about using the same strain at the same temp on the same vape for weeks at a time, so consistence is being achieved). I would build up this tolerance to the Sub in a matter of days, which is one reason why I blame it on conduction. Remember this is all anecdotal.
5 -- Because the Cloud is mostly convection with some radiation and very little conduction, I have hope that the tolerance effect is lower in convection models. This makes me think that Herbie may be able to satisfy me for longer stretches than some of my other vapes. But we need time!

If people are getting higher for longer with Herbie after a month's worth of consistent use, then I will have to say that the more convection, the purer and stronger the hit. I think that's where I am headed, but will need a few more weeks to determine (I'm not quite two weeks into Herbie yet). But to be honest, I have long since started disregarding reports of getting higher with a new vape because of exactly what you described in your post...I don't think we need to look for the vape that gets us the highest. It's a rookie mistake that I have made before myself. I'm smitten by Herbie for all the other reasons that mostly have to do with usage, like heat up time and temp control.

Thank you @stickstones and @lazylathe for your feedback.

I have been getting on board the vape signature theory the last couple weeks from my experiences with the Sub UFO, the Pinnacle Pro and now the Versa Infinity and now feel I have enough recent experience to concur with what you said and that your convection vs conduction reasoning may be correct. The PnP definitely has that heavier feeling to me.

I have put away my UFO for now (mostly because a plug in is so much easier, safer and faster to use, plus I was sensing same sub tolerance you mention) but thinking about firing it back up to see what it's like now after about 3 weeks of not using it.

I am considering an Herbie, even with the high cost, to "round out" my vaporizer portfolio on the high end, it is so much different than every other vaporizer with the technology, fan assist and versatility with whip and water tool, plus seem safer than my current units except for the PnP. The warranty is impressive as well.

Vaporizing is just so much more fun than combusting, sorry burners, but I hope smoking goes the way of the dinosaur for all of our sakes.

It's not just me?! I was starting to think I was a freak because the last time I hit the Sub (after using it a lot for a week) I felt absolutely nothing. No one else ever reported it and this is my first time mentioning it. But if you've had it packed away for three weeks then I think you deserve a treat by breaking it out. That thing will rock your world on an occasional basis.

I'll bet your Infinity feels the cleanest and has the least amount of sleepy effects of your vapes, right (other than a low temp Sub hit)? That was the baffling thing about the Sub for me. I would get the most intense low temp head highs, but would build up that tolerance quicker from what we are calling the conduction effects, even though the vape didn't make me sleepy. A true mystery.

One thing I am truly coming to appreciate with Herbie as a recreational user (when I thought this would be most appreciated by the medical community) is the temp consistency. You want a nice head high to bop around with during the day, go to 300. You want that same high but with a little bit of loopiness, go to 390. You want to push the reset button and go to sleep, go to 445. And the great thing is, anything I have used at 390 and under is still very effective reused at 445. I don't go too low anymore because the effects don't last as long...turns out I am a high temp vaper when I thought I was a low temp one.

The "science experiment" level of temperature control really intrigues me and I think much of what interests me in the Herbie is the idea of getting accurate measure of how different temps affect me, my current vapes just don't have the level of control or fast temp change to do this well.

I think to notice vape signature, you must be using multiple vapes within a short time of each other so that you can compare with the most recent experiences.

I got the PnP right after I got back into vaping and was using my old 90s era Omega Ultralight (almost 100% convection) you see in my sig (that's not me, though), I thought, well, the PnP is the new generation, so it must work differently/efficiently, plus can hold much more herb in its chamber. I attributed the different stone to more conduction before hearing about vape sig.

Then I got the SubUFO (didn't want to pay up for the Apollo and glad I didn't), again, medicated effect was different, then I read about vape signature, but the light bulb still didn't go on. After a couple months use, I noticed I started hitting the UFO a lot more hits in a row to stay medicated, tolerance was creeping in.

Then I got the Infinity as my first modern plug-in. The first session knocked me on my arse and I said to myself "same strain that I am tolerant to, what just happened." I noticed significant differences between the effects of the Infinity and the SubUFO that really confused me.

That's when I had my Vape Signature epiphany.

Bear in mind, I have only used ONE strain (C99), the same strain for about 15 years (I don't have a lot of sources for flowers). So my experiences with different vapes are all with the same material. I am hoping to get a "Dr. Recommendation" for mmj in the next year so maybe I'll get access to more strains and get out of this sheltered herb cave I am in.

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QUESTION ABOUT HERBIE:

I vape quite often with flowers that I top with a couple scoops of Kief. Anyone do this with Herbie? Ok or not advised? Would this work in the standard bowl or would you have to use the concentrate pad?

Ok folks, I have a problem. It's called VAS. I am now officially watching this thread. This machine seems to be quite nice! I plan on owning one before 12/2014.

Mister G said:

QUESTION ABOUT HERBIE:
I vape quite often with flowers that I top with a couple scoops of Kief. Anyone do this with Herbie? Ok or not advised? Would this work in the standard bowl or would you have to use the concentrate pad?

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I often do this!
I just grind up the flowers and add to the bowl, place a scoop of kief on top and give it a stir and go!
Works really well and you can taste the kief!!
I have some Tangerine Dream kief that tastes just like tangerines, it is awesome!

I have used oils and wax on the pad and it is also extremely potent!!
I find for best use the fan assist is a must!!

Got my Herbie!!! Ok so my initial thoughts. I have ran one load through the whip, and 4 bags. As everyone has stated heat up time is virtually non-exsistant!
Package arrived in very good condition. Eagerly tore into the plain shipping box.
The packaging is nice. The picture on the front of the box is a true to scale representation of the Herbalizer.
The foam in the box did not smell bad. Unlike some of the other brands packaging that have smelled horrible. I like the limited edition color. So far I am very impressed with how Herbie operates. The flavor is good out of the whip. And awesome bags of tastey thick vapor. I have some more testing to do. But so far all I can say is wow. Impressed with eveything. The stash box is a ingenius design. The Grinder card has a female grooves on both sides that accepts the male grooves in the stash box. That way you can grind it right into the stash box. Then it is ready for future use. Just found it to be nicely thought out.

Will be back with more later.

Sweet, I didn't realize the grinder card mated with the stash box. Win!

I hadn't noticed that about the grinder...nice find!

I haven't used the grinder or stash box yet for fear of smell (I'm using jyarz for my dank). Are you using it and not having much smell?

There is no smell coming out f my stash box as of yet. This strain that @DDave recommended is a slap in the face when you remove the lid. So I think it is pretty much smell proof.

Edit: there is some residual smell left on the grinder card. But not overpowering. I think this amount of smell would differ by strain.

I've never used a card grinder, do you rub the herb over those blade holes with your fingers? I prefer to only touch my material with my flesh when I break it off the stem and put it into the grinder, then it only gets touched by scoop tools, keeps fingers clean and not sticky. I would think grinding on an open air card would be a bit messier than an enclosed grinder.

Feel free to enlighten me, though

Yes @Mister G you are correct. It is compareable to using a cheese grater. It's not as messy using the stash box to catch it as it would be grateing it into the open. But you are right your fingers can get a little sticky. But they taste so good after wards! Lol. This was my first time using one of these types of grinder cards also. It works, gives a good medium chunky grind. Could it replace my SCS, no. But it is very functional and always handy in the mezzanine.

1_gr8_underdog said:

Got my Herbie!!! Ok so my initial thoughts. I have ran one load through the whip, and 4 bags. As everyone has stated heat up time is virtually non-exsistant!
Package arrived in very good condition. Eagerly tore into the plain shipping box.
The packaging is nice. The picture on the front of the box is a true to scale representation of the Herbalizer.
The foam in the box did not smell bad. Unlike some of the other brands packaging that have smelled horrible. I like the limited edition color. So far I am very impressed with how Herbie operates. The flavor is good out of the whip. And awesome bags of tastey thick vapor. I have some more testing to do. But so far all I can say is wow. Impressed with eveything. The stash box is a ingenius design. The Grinder card has a female grooves on both sides that accepts the male grooves in the stash box. That way you can grind it right into the stash box. Then it is ready for future use. Just found it to be nicely thought out.

Will be back with more later.

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Glad you got yours! Did you have to sign?

Thanks @havealight101 No, I didn't have to sign for it. Ups dropped it by the front door.

Edit: Just ran a load through the whip @420 from the start using a orange 18mm. Adapter directly on the end of the whip. Coupled to my WP-010. Very pleased with the results. The fan assist is excellent. I must agree with an earlier post from sticks I think, a lot of thought went into fan selection speed. The bag fills quickly and is thick and enjoyable in the higher temprature ranges. Don't know a excact figure but I think the speed is good. Fan assist with the stock length whip delivers a nice cool blast of vapor. When the screen say intense it means it. I enjoyed it in both balanced and intense temprature ranges. With the noticeable differance in vapor coming much faster for example every 3~4°F As opposed to others that require a much larger increase on there Temprature dial say 8~10°F. Those aren't exact but something I noticed immediately compared to other digital readout vapes. I think the most telling test of the accuracy of this machine comes with this test.

1. Get any Digital Readout Vaporizer you own. Place it side by side with the Herbalizer.
2. Turn them on and let them heat to the exact same degrees. Of course while you are waiting for whatever your other vape is to warm up, feel free to use the herbie to pass the time.
3. Blow cold air lightly and directly into the heating chamber, now watch for what the vaporizer's heater reaction is to this.

You will notice that the Herbalizer's reaction time to this is almost instantaneously The heating element engauges to correct the drop in temperature. I'm talking within micro if not nano-second response time to the temprature change. And it does not matter the amount of air. While the others that have a way to moniter when the heater element engauges (blinking light etc…) go on about there buisness. Routinely as if nothing ever happened. And requireing time for the heater to overcome the inital blast of cold air. That is what floors me the most at this point.

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Thanks @havealight101 No, I didn't have to sign for it. Ups dropped it by the front door.

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Thanks man. I'm back home blowing vape signals with my Evo to hopefully catch my UPS guys eye, herbie has been in his truck for 10.5 hrs..

I wanted more stability so I created a low rise Gong. Again, anyone want info hmu!

Got the Herbie! Went through one bowl at 378 and I am flying. Coughed a lot too but its all good. This is the Ferrari of Vapes.