Whats the best tubing to use on my EXTREME vaporizer?

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SpiralArchitect

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Spiral, I was talking about the green screen you had, that is priceless! Hahaha, love the creativity there!
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Thanks, I was going to give it another go around (basically forgot about it) and experiment with that some more. I'll report back on that.... I got a bigger 'glass tube', but I need more tubing to make this work, hence this thread...

On a side note, regardless if you get the food grade, or super high end tygon/chemflour tubing, (I'll use the toilet paper analogy here) you only need a couple of feet so why not just play it safe, and get the high end, high temp stuff? The majority of the money spent on vaporizing isn't on the machine, or the accessories, and is most likely the medicine that we use it for. I couple of bucks here and there to save on tubing just seems to be counter intuitive if you spent X amount on a high end vaporizer
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Well put, I totally agree.
 
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Acolyte of Zinglon

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interesting, so does the chemflour really give enough improvement in performance over the "sanitary silicone" to reallly be worth $5 extra a foot?
 
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Acolyte of Zinglon said:
interesting, so does the chemflour really give enough improvement in performance over the "sanitary silicone" to reallly be worth $5 extra a foot?
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I don't really think you need the chemfluor's extra industrial properties. And the sanitary, although pricey at $2.19/ft. for standard whip size, is smoother than most silicone so it should stay cleaner longer, and still has a working temp of 400 degrees. :2c:
 
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Hey guys, did I miss a thread on the extemes tubes and saftey, do I need to upgrade?
 
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jx80 said:
Hey guys, did I miss a thread on the extemes tubes and saftey, do I need to upgrade?
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Don't think you need to, but since the elbow joint is small and doesn't soak up much heat, I found that the tubing on my V-Tower got hotter than tubing that's connected to bigger, heavier wands on other vapes. I also thought the tubing was a little on the stiff side.
 
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and some say that the tubing that comes with the vapes can smell a bit plasticy and pass some of that on to the vapor
 
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blueshirts1623

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New tubing for Extreme

Can anyone tell me where to get new tubing for the Extreme online. I don't know the dimensions I need or anything so if anyone knows what kind of tubing exactly and where I can get it at a good price, please let me know
 
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I don't see anything regarding how thick the walls are for this tubing. Does it really matter? Can the walls possibly be too thick?? I don't think it should really matter too much. What do you guys think?? The I.D. and O.D. are right so it should fit the elbow piece i think.
 
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Also, how long do you think I can make the whip without it being TOO long. 5 feet sound reasonable??

sorry kinda new to this
 
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blueshirts1623 said:
I don't see anything regarding how thick the walls are for this tubing. Does it really matter? Can the walls possibly be too thick?? I don't think it should really matter too much. What do you guys think?? The I.D. and O.D. are right so it should fit the elbow piece i think.
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I've got a feeling this Silcon isn't going to be appropriate for vape tubing. Wall thickness is usually either 1/32" or 1/16". Vape tubing is 1/16". The fact that no thickness is listed for this type is strange. 1/4" ID x 3/8" OD is the Extreme size and it's $.73/ft. That's cheaper than food grade by more than 30 cts/ft. That makes no sense.

5 feet sound reasonable??
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2.5-3 ft. is standard.
 
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Progress

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No offense to anyone, but please add 'I think' or something like that unless you are sure.

BS1623, Standard tubing (extreme, surfer, etc.) has an inner diameter (ID) of 1/4" and an outer diameter of 3/8" (therefore math will tell you through subtraction that the tubing is 1/8" thick, right?)
Max - I've got a feeling this Silcon isn't going to be appropriate for vape tubing.
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Why? I am certain many happily use it (edit: I was referring to Silicone, not Silcon Silicone--see follow-up for clarification)...
I also agree with whoever said that the vape gives more resistance as tubing gets longer (maybe start with 5/6' and cut it if the draw is too tight for your liking?)

Hope this wasn't too harsh (and, as always, hope this helps ;) )
 
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Progress said:
No offense to anyone, but please add 'I think' or something like that unless you are sure.

BS1623, Standard tubing (extreme, surfer, etc.) has an inner diameter (ID) of 3/8" and an outer diameter of 1/4" (therefore math will tell you through subtraction that the tubing is 1/8" thick, right?)
Max - I've got a feeling this Silcon isn't going to be appropriate for vape tubing.
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Why? I am certain many happily use it...
I also agree with whoever said that the vape gives more resistance as tubing gets longer (maybe start with 5/6' and cut it if the draw is too tight for your liking?)

Hope this wasn't too harsh (and, as always, hope this helps ;) )
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I said SILCON, not silicone. Silcon is a trademarked type of silicone. You must not have looked at blueshirts' link.

I consider "I've got a feeling" to be even less "sure" than 'I think'. It's sufficient to distinguish it from 'fact', as far as I'm concerned.

Standard whip tubing has an ID of 1/4", OD of 3/8", not the reverse. I'm sure that was just a transposition error on your part. And the wall thickness on every OEM piece of vape tubing, AFAIK, is 1/16".

Surfer tubing isn't the same size as the Extreme and other standard whip tubing (although originally it probably was). For at least a year now they've been using 3/8" ID, 1/2" OD.

When I inquired yesterday about the wall thickness of this Silcon tubing, I was told -"Most of those sizes have a 1/16" or 1/8" wall thickness. The Silcon is softer than the food/beverage tubing."

1/8" would be a very thick wall for vape tubing, but would still work, although in some cases you'd have to heat the tubing end in hot water to make it more flexible for a wand and mouthpiece fit. I'm still wondering why this 'Silcon' silicon is more than 3 times cheaper than sanitary silicone, since the Silcon has a higher working temp. That's the question I asked today. We'll see what they say.
 
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M - I said SILCON, not silicone. Silcon is a trademarked type of silicone. You must not have looked at blueshirts' link.
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Sorry, I thought SILCON was a typo and did click on the silicone link provided earlier in this thread.
M - I consider "I've got a feeling" to be even less "sure" than 'I think'. It's sufficient to distinguish it from 'fact', as far as I'm concerned.
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I agree (others were not so careful)
M - Standard whip tubing has an ID of 1/4", OD of 3/8", not the reverse. I'm sure that was just a transposition error on your part.
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Oops...fixed :D
M - And the wall thickness on every OEM piece of vape tubing, AFAIK, is 1/16".
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M - When I inquired yesterday about the wall thickness of this Silcon tubing, I was told -"Most of those sizes have a 1/16" or 1/8" wall thickness. The Silcon is softer than the food/beverage tubing."
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M - 1/8" would be a very thick wall for vape tubing, but would still work, although in some cases you'd have to heat the tubing end in hot water to make it more flexible for a wand and mouthpiece fit.
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I'm confused (thickness=OD-ID, right? OR Thickness = 3/8" - 2/8" = 1/8", no?). edit: 1/8" is the thickness of two opposing walls that are each, therefore, 1/16" thick (like they said :lol: )
M - Surfer tubing isn't the same size as the Extreme and other standard whip tubing (although originally it probably was). For at least a year now they've been using 3/8" ID, 1/2" OD.
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My bad (should'a said 'I think' :lol: )
M - I'm still wondering why this 'Silcon' silicon is more than 3 times cheaper than sanitary silicone, since the Silcon has a higher working temp. That's the question I asked today. We'll see what they say.
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Seems too good to be true. You've made me curious (I'll post anything I find and look foreword to your update ;) ).

edit: This doesn't sound good (IMO) "Silcon is not recommended for implantable or in-body uses or for continuous steam applications. Silcon may be low pressure steam sterilized in-line or autoclaved at up to 250F in a normal autoclaving cycle. However, if exposed to repeated steam sterilization or long-term high temperature or pressure, silicone will eventually relax and become gummy. It should then be replaced."--from http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/pr...=USPlastic&category_name=7511&product_id=8415 -- (italics added)

Hope I cleared things up (I did not intend to mislead or offend).

Toke it easy :cool: (fuckers :lol: )
 
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ID is the open space, from inner wall to inner wall. OD includes both 'walls'. OD minus ID=wall thickness x 2.

Reply from US Plastic Corp. about the Silcon silicone-"The wall thickness of tubing with 1/4" ID and 3/8" OD is 1/16". The Sanitary silicone tubing is made by Tygon, which is why it is more expensive."

So the 'Silcon' silicone looks like a real bargain, at 73 cts/ft. for standard size and 92cts/ft. for SSV size. The Tygon 'Sanitary Silicone' is $2.34/ft. for standard whip size and $3.27/ft. for the larger 3/8", 1/2". I may have to try some of this stuff for under $1/ft.
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/pr...=usplastic&category_name=7511&product_id=8415

The Tygon Sanitary is probably pricey because- "Designed for high-purity applications, Tygon Sanitary Silicone Tubing's ultra-smooth inner bore can reduce the risk of particle entrapment and microscopic buildup during sensitive fluid transfer. In-house analysis of the inner surface of Tygon Sanitary Silicone Tubing compared to other silicone tubing shows that it is up to three times smoother."

This smooth bore property seems to be overkill for vape tubing, so blueshirts may have found some high quality vape tubing at a bargain price.

http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/pr...USPlastic&category_name=29331&product_id=8456
 
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Max stated - ID is the open space, from inner wall to inner wall. OD includes both 'walls'. OD minus ID=wall thickness x 2.
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My bad (sorry--where's the foot in the mouth icon when you need it :lol:). Thank you for clearing that up.
Max stated - blueshirts may have found some high quality vape tubing at a bargain price.
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What do you guys think about the potential issues I edited into post #30 (above)
 
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Acolyte of Zinglon

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hmm i think i may see it fitting to order 10 or so feet of that bargain tubing, for use with the vhw :brow:

cant find the right size locally to make a good whip, i think ill order a custom mouthpiece from seventh floor as well for the aforementioned vhw whip
 
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KeepCalm

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I use silcon from us plastics with my ssv and hookah. It's excellent stuff, little taste and easy to work with. I'm at work but if you guys have any specific questions let me know and I'll try to answer them tonight. :)
 
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Progress said:
What do you guys think about the potential issues I edited into post #30 (above)
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Steam sterilization or autoclaving involve much higher temps than the tubing would be exposed to for vaporizing. And even then it's "repeated steam sterilization or long-term high temperature or pressure" that calls for replacement. The working temp range is up to 500 F, so I don't think it's an issue.
 
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Anyone know anywhere besides US plastics for good deals on Tygon (or similiar material) Silicone at a good price?

I was at the checkout, with like 6 or 7 feet, and shipping is 30 bucks to AK. :/

1/4" ID, 3/8" OD, 1/16" Wall

I've been shopping around, but just thought I'd ask...
 
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xyu

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Silicone is the way to go with the surfer, makes it easier to use, and the hits taste a little better.
 
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SpiralArchitect said:
Anyone know anywhere besides US plastics for good deals on Tygon (or similiar material) Silicone at a good price?

I was at the checkout, with like 6 or 7 feet, and shipping is 30 bucks to AK. :/

1/4" ID, 3/8" OD, 1/16" Wall

I've been shopping around, but just thought I'd ask...
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Order 20 feet from the 7th floor. 14.00 for the tubing and 6 to ship!
 
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smoking Joe said:
SpiralArchitect said:
Anyone know anywhere besides US plastics for good deals on Tygon (or similiar material) Silicone at a good price?

I was at the checkout, with like 6 or 7 feet, and shipping is 30 bucks to AK. :/
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Order 20 feet from the 7th floor. 14.00 for the tubing and 6 to ship!
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I was going to say that I think 7th Floor ships with a type of vinyl, and was going to their web site to verify, but their herbalvaporizer.htm page is missing. Anyway, I order from McMaster-Carr as they have no minimum and for me (living in California) my order arrives next day or two day. Some what similar prices to US Plastics:

http://www.mcmaster.com search for part number 51135K35 (for 1/2" OD 3/8" ID) 51135K28 (for 3/8" OD 1/4" ID)

I will say while silicone tastes a lot less plasticy to me than vinyl, it does seem prone to picking up odors. For instance, I tried vaping salvia with the SSV, using high temps and I got a little combustion starting, I had to replace the tubing as it stunk after that experience.
 
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