Vaporizer "up high" best way to get it or is it even possible?

Nosferatu said:

Once again I will stop posting because I was out of place and you are right that the studies show that vaping reduces harm and increases goodies. I just haven't personally felt this myself and think smoking gives a more balanced and overall healthy feeling effect(no really I do, and I used to vape exclusively for 2 years and hate on smoking)

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I used to combust bongs exclusively, for years...then I switched to vaping and definitely went through an adjustment period and the typical newbie related issues when starting vaping. Years went by vaping exclusively, and then I tried to get back into combusting and my body simply wouldn't let me. The smoke was very disgusting to me and I didn't get any higher whatsoever. I thought it would lift my tolerance or feel better, but it completely turned me off so i haven't looked back since then.

Unlike you I feel MUCH healthier vaping and would rather give up herb altogether than combust. I will never combust again. fuck combustion!

Nosferatu said:

Incorrect, you don't have proof smoking is a more harmful method of ingestion, reduced carcinogens in a few studies isn't enough to weigh all the positives and negatives of each method.

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Actually I do, you just aren't accepting it. The studies I cited are not just about carcinogens. The effects of the products of pyrolysis on the bronchial system are well documented and extend beyond cancer. You can't dismiss them simply because they have mostly been done using tobacco. As the last study I cited shows, the same products are produced when you smoke marijuana.

Ok, I admit defeat. I'm too vaped and you seem to have studied these papers more than me.


Cheers

Nosferatu said:

Ok, I admit defeat. I'm too vaped and you seem to have studied these papers more than me.


Cheers

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I came a little too late to the discussion but, regarding what you said about a more balanced high. Could this be because of the higher THC coming from the process of vaporizing VS combusting?

What i mean is, maybe you prefered the ratios(higher THC than CBD for vaporizing and the opposite for combusting) present in combusting? Giving a more couch lock with a mild head high instead of a more head high with less couch lock?

Of course, there is also the differente between indicas and sativas, but in general vaporizing is a high in the head, combusting is high in the body. (i know this is a dangerous simplification but true more often than not.)

vorrange said:

Of course, there is also the differente between indicas and sativas, but in general vaporizing is a high in the head, combusting is high in the body. (i know this is a dangerous simplification but true more often than not.)

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Sorry, but I can't agree-
I only vape ( well 99% of the time), yet get a full spectrum of effects from the range of strains I have. I absolutely get the expected effects from Indicas. Might the Indica be even more couchy if combusted? Who knows....?

zymos said:

Sorry, but I can't agree-
I only vape ( well 99% of the time), yet get a full spectrum of effects from the range of strains I have. I absolutely get the expected effects from Indicas. Might the Indica be even more couchy if combusted? Who knows....?

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The thing is, part of the THC is "transformed" in CBD because of the higher temperatures, and another part (30%) is lost due to pirolysis (combustion). In conclusion, the ratio between CBD/THC changes for the same strain whether you vape or you combust and this is a fact.


How much it changes and if it is why Nosferatu prefers combustion is what is tickling my curiosity.

Nosferatu said:

Not trying to start an argument because this is FC after all, but I'm sick of stuck up vaporists claiming vaporizing is healthier than smoking. There is no scientific proof of this, no real hard repeatable science has been done on this subject.

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Problem is sir... You can take a bag vaporizer and vape that bag well over 100 times and it simply won't turn amber. If you want to burn the same amount of herb and contain it in an identical bag just to see the difference in bag color be my guest. Whatever the color of the bag, will determine what goes into your lungs. You don't need scientific proof over what can be proven with simple logic. It's common sense...

nucleo said:

Problem is sir... You can take a bag vaporizer and vape that bag well over 100 times and it simply won't turn amber. If you want to burn the same amount of herb and contain it in an identical bag just to see the difference in bag color be my guest. Whatever the color of the bag, will determine what goes into your lungs. You don't need scientific proof over what can be proven with simple logic. It's common sense...

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Have you done that, used a bag 100 times to see if it turns amber?

I don't know what colour it would be, but common sense tells you that there will be a lot of condensed vapour in that bag. It's inevitable. Vapour begins to cool immediately and the only place to do that is on the bag's interior surface. It's a major reason why I don't like bags. It has nothing to do with vapour loss, which must happen to some degree depending on how long it stays in the bag. It has to do with the nasty taste that develops after a few bags from condensed vapour.

You'll note that I also don't accept Nosferatu's assertion. I just don't see how your example with the bags works.

vorrange said:

The thing is, part of the THC is "transformed" in CBD because of the higher temperatures, and another part (30%) is lost due to pirolysis (combustion). In conclusion, the ratio between CBD/THC changes for the same strain whether you vape or you combust and this is a fact.


How much it changes and if it is why Nosferatu prefers combustion is what is tickling my curiosity.

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Personally I've always gotten a more speedy high from smoking small bowls and that's why the box vaporizer is made able to get you really close to burning the herb without tasting bad. The vapor is inhaled the moment it's produced so it has no time to get stale. I feel more satisfied like I don't need to smoke.

This wiki is interesting- about CBD being both a sedative and an upper. Notta bad deal there.

The head space definitely changes with the setting on the knob. You can still turn it low and get the 300 degree hits you might want. The head space is really clear, but ya know...


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pakalolo said:

Have you done that, used a bag 100 times to see if it turns amber?

I don't know what colour it would be, but common sense tells you that there will be a lot of condensed vapour in that bag. It's inevitable. Vapour begins to cool immediately and the only place to do that is on the bag's interior surface. It's a major reason why I don't like bags. It has nothing to do with vapour loss, which must happen to some degree depending on how long it stays in the bag. It has to do with the nasty taste that develops after a few bags from condensed vapour.

You'll note that I also don't accept Nosferatu's assertion. I just don't see how your example with the bags works.

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Volcano bags are meant to be used up to 150 times before changing, so the answer would be a yes.

If you roll a blunt with a paper filter and take a look inside that filter after a few pulls you will see that that stuff doesn't build up in a vap bag, even after 150 times.

Someone here mentioned in a thread that they end up using the bag for cooking when they replace it, so even if it condenses, you aren't losing that much, and to be honest you can't really notice it. You'd lose more from inhaling denser vapor as opposed to thinner vapor which you'd get from a bag, as the lungs can only absorb so much at a time and the rest is wasted on exhale. Sure the feeling is different, another reason why people don't use bag, but you get more out of it for sure, it all boils down to a matter of preference.

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Specific Boiling Points and Roles of Cannabinoids:

Δ-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
Boiling point:157*C / 314.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Euphoriant, Analgesic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antiemetic

cannabidiol (CBD)
Boiling point: 160-180*C / 320-356 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Anxiolytic, Analgesic, Antipsychotic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antispasmodic

Cannabinol (CBN)
Boiling point: 185*C / 365 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Oxidation, breakdown, product, Sedative, Antibiotic

cannabichromene (CBC)
Boiling point: 220*C / 428 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

Δ-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ-8-THC)
Boiling point: 175-178*C / 347-352.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Resembles Δ-9-THC, Less psychoactive, More stable Antiemetic

tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV)
Boiling point: < 220*C / <428 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Analgesic, Euphoriant

Terpenoid essential oils, their boiling points, and properties

β-myrcene
Boiling point: 166-168*C / 330.8-334.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Analgesic. Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antimutagenic

β-caryophyllene
Boiling point: 119*C / 246.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Cytoprotective (gastric mucosa), Antimalarial

d-limonene
Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Cannabinoid agonist?, Immune potentiator, Antidepressant, Antimutagenic

linalool
Boiling point: 198*C / 388.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Sedative, Antidepressant, Anxiolytic, Immune potentiator

pulegone
Boiling point: 224*C / 435.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Memory booster?, AChE inhibitor, Sedative, Antipyretic

1,8-cineole (eucalyptol)
Boiling point: 176*C / 348.8 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: AChE inhibitor, Increases cerebral, blood flow, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antiviral, Antiinflammatory, Antinociceptive

α-pinene
Boiling point: 156*C / 312.8 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Bronchodilator, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antineoplastic, AChE inhibitor

α-terpineol
Boiling point: 217-218*C / 422.6-424.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Sedative, Antibiotic, AChE inhibitor, Antioxidant, Antimalarial

terpineol-4-ol
Boiling point: 209*C / 408.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: AChE inhibitor. Antibiotic

p-cymene
Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antibiotic, Anticandidal, AChE inhibitor

borneol
Boiling point: 210*C / 410 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antibiotic, Δ-3-carene 0.004% 168 Antiinflammatory

Δ-3-carene
Boiling point: 168*C / 334.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory

Flavonoid and phytosterol components, their boiling points, and properties

apigenin
Boiling point: 178*C / 352.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Anxiolytic, Antiinflammatory, Estrogenic

quercetin
Boiling point: 250*C / 482 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antioxidant, Antimutagenic, Antiviral, Antineoplastic

cannflavin A
Boiling point: 182*C / 359.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: COX inhibitor, LO inhibitor

β-sitosterol
Boiling point: 134*C / 273.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, 5-α-reductase, inhibitor

Source: Bluelight.nu

kingofnull said:

I'm sure we've all seen this before...

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That is essentially the data used to make the Vaporizing Effects by Temperature article in Vaporpedia, which I just updated to include this:

First, a note of caution: The temperatures listed are actually for the boiling point of the compound, that is, the temperature at which it is completely converted to a gas. Additionally, the temperatures are for individual components but nature seldom presents them to us so simply. Multiple components can exist in a matrix, which will have a boiling point that is different from any of its constituents.

Also, these temperatures encourage the incorrect impression that vaporization is binary, in that nothing is vaporized until the listed temperature is reached, then the entire compound becomes vapor. What actually happens in vaporization is that some of the compound is given off at lower temperatures than the boiling point. For example, when you bring water to a boil you can see wisps of steam (water vapor) well before the boiling point is reached. The amount of the compound vaporized before the boiling point—and the point at which vaporization begins—is difficult to quantify and varies from one compound to another. What we do know is that the quantity of the compound that is vaporized increases more rapidly as the boiling point approaches. Of course, at or above the boiling point, all of the compound is being vaporized.

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Slightly rephrased from an article I wrote for Vape World: Vaporizing by temperature.