Cannabis Hardware (formerly NewVape) FlowerPot Twax Vaporizer

The current proven design is not going away. Here's a concept with a 1" drop in bucket.
I appreciate the feedback on these concepts. Please don't worry about hurting my feelings. I appreciate you all taking the time to review the concepts. This concept is with dab's in mind flower secondary.
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@NewVape710 Hey man your check out is not working for me it keeps saying server error. I need some quartz dishes before mine completely breaks. Please and thank you.

@Grifo the credit card fraud settings are set very aggressive.

Billing and Shipping address of credit card must match.

I do apologize for this. A gift card is a good workaround for this. A visa / american express gift card for online purchases also minimizes your identity exposure to credit card fraud. I'm personally trying to move my personal online purchases to utilize gift cards. So the idea is register the gift card to the intended ship to address and our store won't have any problems.

You're also welcome to email sales@newvape.com part numbers Lori will process your order offline with a e-invoice which are not subject to the same fraud settings.

I do wish we could use ebay, amazon, paypal however none of these are vape friendly and we've been kicked off all of them.

@ichibaneye the sic dishes are supplied by TAG they keep telling me within 2 weeks (4 weeks ago). I've begun the quest for an american source for the sapphire, sic, and quartz dishes.

Weird okay thank you

Grifo said:

Weird okay thank you

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dnail's got the same policy, they must be faced with the same challenges https://www.d-nail.com/checkout/onepage/

Chiquita Banana , drinking a Hurley Park Blood Orange Wheat.Grind Mode on Youtube.

NewVape710 said:

The current proven design is not going away. Here's a concept with a 1" drop in bucket.
I appreciate the feedback on these concepts. Please don't worry about hurting my feelings. I appreciate you all taking the time to review the concepts. This concept is with dab's in mind flower secondary.
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Could this be made to Liger 30mm flat coil dish specs? I have a SiC or Quartz dish I'd be willing to loan you to prototype with. I'd be a little worried about the insert falling out while hot. The Liger's air tube holds it in the bucket so you don't have to worry.

NewVape710 said:

The current proven design is not going away. Here's a concept with a 1" drop in bucket.
I appreciate the feedback on these concepts. Please don't worry about hurting my feelings. I appreciate you all taking the time to review the concepts. This concept is with dab's in mind flower secondary.
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I like this design a lot better than the first one the bigger dish area is where it's at. A sic or quartz bucket with a sapphire insert would probably be more cost effective than a sapphire dish.

I really like that you keep developing the fp. It's great to see an idea mentioned here and a few weeks later it's in production. You sir ROCK!!! I hope to visit the shop when I go to boca for my yearly business convention.

Have to agree with @Likes2vape the second design over the first by a long way however I kind of like the lid option on the first prototype design but that might be just me. When I saw the first design I thought the only way that could work is with pre filled sapphire "micro dishes" that you drop in and out at your leisure but @Justpassedu makes a very valid point about people wanting to see and spread there dab around creating a better surface area, again I agree.

The second design is much better imo and I'm glad your focusing on other nail options @NewVape710 i do think sapphire is the next big improvement on perfection of the FP you should look into, possibly gettting realiable source for them as well unlike the SiC dishes (although I'm glad to here there coming soon )

Keep them ideas flowing can't wait to see what you come up with next!

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/newvape-flowerpot-twax-vaporizer.23162/page-56#post-1149515

Still really dig this design for the oil heads ^^^

@NewVape710 thanks for sharing some of your latest brainstorms with the peanut gallery



I wonder if we could see perhaps something in between the two concepts above? I've noticed a few liger 30mm setups going through the fs forum here and I wonder if maybe that's not a little too big. Especially if you're going to get bids on sapphire dishes. The 20mm seem to be the sweet spot in liger land, maybe if you want to do your own thing it would be cool to have something in between... I like the number 22 but that's just me. But with that type of dimension way you would have more airflow options than in the upper design, while keeping the center holes nice and spread out to as you say reduce stirring the load below.


I like this one quite a bit too, a more conservative design but like using a 20mm dish something like the traditional donut may give you more options and help contribute to a universal standard. You could always attempt some kind of directional or swirling effect with the center holes as I'm sure you've considered.

Regarding the fixed/hinged carb cap, I am also of the mindset that I would rather keep my options open.

NewVape710 said:

The current proven design is not going away. Here's a concept with a 1" drop in bucket.
I appreciate the feedback on these concepts. Please don't worry about hurting my feelings. I appreciate you all taking the time to review the concepts. This concept is with dab's in mind flower secondary.
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I am really enjoying all the renderings and idea's , This one personally being my favorite so far as i like the dish style and the fact that it opens people up to be able to use all the new style carb caps that have been very popular with the directional airflow designs. Just a idea but maybe make the actual head removable and come in different sizes , this way some can choose different dish sizes such as a 20mm or 30mm or possibly some type of spacer in there reduce size on your own or take it out and make it larger. Also and i am no expert but would maybe moving the bottom more towards the top to allow a flat coil work or would reducing the vapor trail/path be to short ? or maybe even making it adjustable with a threaded vapor trail that can be made smaller to accommodate different coils by screwing in and unscrewing it to size. Just my ramblings lol.

I've adjusted the bucket to 20mm. Metric dimensions are in brackets. I'd like to agree on the ideal bucket size then design the metal around it.
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Please help me select the ideal dimensions for the flowerpot bucket.
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What keeps these buckets from spinning when cleaning in between dabs with q-tips?
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How important are polished surfaces?
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Should the wall thickness be increased (dim A or B)
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NewVape710 said:

I've adjusted the bucket to 20mm. Metric dimensions are in brackets. I'd like to agree on the ideal bucket size then design the metal around it.
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Please help me select the ideal dimensions for the flowerpot bucket.
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What keeps these buckets from spinning when cleaning in between dabs with q-tips?
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How important are polished surfaces?
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Should the wall thickness be increased (dim A or B)
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Not 100% sure but i think there are small ridges in the ligers to keep them from spinning , someone else can chime in on that , please read my previous post before this one but you will most likely get mixed feedback when it comes to bucket size. I'd like a 30mm but many like 20mm , is there a way to make it adjustable ? I will have to do some research to answer the questions more thoroughly. Edit - I believe with the liger the dish does spin , so its possibly normal and what they recommend for cleaning is to use 2 qtips , one to clean and the other to hold the dish while cleaning. Its the only thing i know with a drop in dish so i am using it as a comparison.

@NewVape710 - thanks for being such a willing participant on the board and soliciting our user community feedback.

My random thoughts and they are mine only:

1. Go with 20 mm inserts if going that way. 30 mm is too large for many, 20 mm works VERY nicely, and with the Liger there were some folks just having a tough time getting good stable heat transfer and temps on the larger 30 mm

2. KISS - seriously, designs with a lot of complex airflow will result in a lot of reclaim plugged complex air holes.

3. I also do not want a hinged carb cap

4. Sapphire...ok, people want to spend the money and it apparently has the best taste (but I have only had a couple of dabs on a friend's sapphire and to me it was definitely not worth the significant price difference). Frankly, SiC is the boss, in my book. Sapphire is both expensive and fragile. SiC, not so expensive and its tough. Both taste much better than quartz glass, IMO. Get good SiC halos or inserts.

5. If you go with inserts, please consider how the insert can be reached mechanically from underneath to get a reclaim glued in insert out of the housing. One of Liger's pitfalls, IMO.

6. Tight fit is key to good thermal transfer...one reason that sapphire makes me nervous. So, build it so people can assemble it good and tight but hopefully in a manner that will not result in cracked halos when faced with expansion from heating.

Cheers

@Grifo

I am in Canada and also had issues checking out.
A quick call to NewVape and it was all sorted out extremely quickly and easily!

First contact should always be through a companies contact us or email them or give them a call.
A PM also works well and keeps the thread on point.

My contribution

20mm is fine for a dish, inserts should come in a variety of materials as some will demand sapphire (I've not used it but have a insert on route ) others will favour the toughness of SiC or the more replaceable and cheaper Quartz, allow everyone to have a insert that fits there personal mindset.

Not sure how to keep it in place with zero spinning I'd assume once heated and therefore expanded it should stay in place regardless but I'm unsure on that, there's going to be a fine line between allowing to much or to little space between dish and bucket.

Don't mind the idea of a hinged cap providing it's well thought out and doesn't get gunked up really fast, same with the airflow on the design you have in mind on post 1410 above. I do like this design however it's more elegant than a centre post in my personal opinion.

Dish thickness is around 2mm for many inserts and dishes so I'd go with that.

Love these new concepts @NewVape710 and I'm ever so slightly happier I haven't gone down the flowerpot route as of yet as I wanna see these concepts come to the fore .

But how long can I wait before VAS kicks in to bad???

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@ichibaneye the sic dishes are supplied by TAG they keep telling me within 2 weeks (4 weeks ago). I've begun the quest for an american source for the sapphire, sic, and quartz dishes.

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It looks like I called it from the start. Manufacturer/Supplier issues. That's unfortunate. Thanks for getting me the answer.

I highly commend you for now sourcing your insert materials from an American company. I believe the cost and time is far worth the pain in the beginning. It'll be far better for you and the customers in the long run. We need all the help we can get here, so I'm with you on the USA quality, build and materials.

anasrzi said:

I thought the only way that could work is with pre filled sapphire "micro dishes" that you drop in and out at your leisure

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/newvape-flowerpot-twax-vaporizer.23162/page-56#post-1149515
Still really dig this design for the oil heads ^^^

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This would be freakishly expensive to do. Multiple miniature pre-filled sapphire dishes. I wish!

@NewVape710 keep that dabbing area low/recessed too and the airflow to a comfortable minimum. Flowing to much air makes for poor draw quality among other things. Most of us here at FC prefer a restrictive draw.

@grokit the 30mm Ligers are the preferred banger over the 16mm and 20mm sizes in Liger land. This is because they are larger and more efficient. The 20mm is just more recommended for the green-horns. Trust me. I'm with you, a larger area for that sweet errl is what's needed.

NewVape710 said:

I've adjusted the bucket to 20mm. Metric dimensions are in brackets. I'd like to agree on the ideal bucket size then design the metal around it.
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Please help me select the ideal dimensions for the flowerpot bucket.
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What keeps these buckets from spinning when cleaning in between dabs with q-tips?
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How important are polished surfaces?
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Should the wall thickness be increased (dim A or B)
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Keep the same thickness throughout the whole dish. This will keep the thermal properties more stable and reliable. Keep those tolerances tight. Polishing is important. It helps with longevity, taste, cleaning and heating. Please polish me baby!

When you have the dishes made do not use 90 degree angles on the inside surface areas. This would be where the wall meets the bottom of the dish. This makes for a mess, less efficiency and more cleaning. Use angles so the concentrates move around better and are easier to clean.

Nothing really keeps the dishes from spinning. They really don't move around much. They really don't have to be scrubbed with much force at all. Especially the Sic material. The technique for cleaning is easily picked up within a few minutes. Keeping up with a quick clean in between each dab is the most important step actually.

@Baron23 thank you for reiterating my earlier point to NV about airflow, inlets, complexity and such. It's usually an unneeded headache that's for sure. As for heat transfer issues that was the users mostly messing up not the Ligers problem. Selecting bad coils with bad fitment and such if memory serves me correctly... but anyways back to it.

I have to disagree with you about inserts being a "pitfall" on the Liger or at all. This is not a design error or issue in any way. It is purely the users issue and fault! One the user either neglects to regularly clean their banger and insert or two the user improperly loads (AKA, over loading/filling) the insert like it's a normal nail. The "glued" on insert problems are user caused. The inserts are not a problem and function perfectly when used properly.

ichibaneye said:

It looks like I called it from the start. Manufacturer/Supplier issues. That's unfortunate. Thanks for getting me the answer.

I highly commend you for now sourcing your insert materials from an American company. I believe the cost and time is far worth the pain in the beginning. It'll be far better for you and the customers in the long run. We need all the help we can get here, so I'm with you on the USA quality, build and materials.



This would be freakishly expensive to do. Multiple miniature pre-filled sapphire dishes. I wish!

@NewVape710 keep that dabbing area low/recessed too and the airflow to a comfortable minimum. Flowing to much air makes for poor draw quality among other things. Most of us here at FC prefer a restrictive draw.

@grokit the 30mm Ligers are the preferred banger over the 16mm and 20mm sizes in Liger land. This is because they are larger and more efficient. The 20mm is just more recommended for the geen-horns. Trust me. I'm with you, a larger area for that sweet errl is what's needed.



Keep the same thickness throughout the whole dish. This will keep the thermal properties more stable and reliable. Keep those tolerances tight. Polishing is important. It helps with longevity, taste, cleaning and heating. Please polish me baby!

When you have the dishes made do not use 90 degree angles on the inside surface areas. This would be where the wall meets the bottom of the dish. This makes for a mess, less efficiency and more cleaning. Use angles so the concentrates move around better and are easier to clean.

Nothing really keeps the dishes from spinning. They really don't move around much. They really don't have to be scrubbed with much force at all. Especially the Sic material. The technique for cleaning is easily picked up within a few minutes. Keeping up with a quick clean in between each dab is the most important step actually.

@Baron23 thank you for reiterating my earlier point to NV about airflow, inlets, complexity and such. It's usually an unneeded headache that's for sure. As for heat transfer issues that was the users mostly messing up not the Ligers problem. Selecting bad coils with bad fitment and such if memory serves me correctly... but anyways back to it.

I have to disagree with you about inserts being a "pitfall" on the Liger or at all. This is not a design error or issue in any way. It is purely the users issue and fault! One the user either neglects to regularly clean their banger and insert or two the user improperly loads (AKA, over loading/filling) the insert like it's a normal nail. The "glued" on insert problems are user caused. The inserts are not a problem and function perfectly when used properly.

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I like everything you said in this post , great ideas and good info man . Plus i like the 30mm liger land dishes but 20mm would work well also , its just cool to be able to have a large surface area of 30mm since everyone can always go and get most others out there in the smaller size range but 30mm is something you rarely see on a Enail.

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the 30mm Ligers are the preferred banger over the 16mm and 20mm sizes in Liger land. This is because they are larger and more efficient. The 20mm is just more recommended for the geen-horns.

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I don't agree with those broad statements at all.

ichibaneye said:

I have to disagree with you about inserts being a "pitfall" on the Liger or at all. This is not a design error or issue in any way. It is purely the users issue and fault!

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Eh, brother...I don't agree with this either. Yes, numbnuts over fill their inserts and glue them in, but over the course of time reclaim vapor will condense EVERYWHERE it can get and its just simple to have included a small hole in the bottom of the Ti to allow a pick through to put some mechanical leverage on it. Yes, that would mean that those Ti bodies cannot be used as Ti nails by themselves, but the current design overlooked maintainability in this respect, IMO.

Cheers

Justpassedu said:

I like everything you said in this post , great ideas and good info man . Plus i like the 30mm liger land dishes but 20mm would work well also , its just cool to be able to have a large surface area of 30mm since everyone can always go and get most others out there in the smaller size range but 30mm is something you rarely see on a Enail.

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I'm with you here too my friend.

Baron23 said:

I don't agree with those broad statements at all.



Eh, brother...I don't agree with this either. Yes, numbnuts over fill their inserts and glue them in, but over the course of time reclaim vapor will condense EVERYWHERE it can get and its just simple to have included a small hole in the bottom of the Ti to allow a pick through to put some mechanical leverage on it. Yes, that would mean that those Ti bodies can be used as Ti nails by themselves, but the current design overlooked maintainability in this respect, IMO.
Cheers

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I'm aware of what's known as reclaim vapor. It's a pretty common thing around here with anything vapor related. Again, remedied with a correct cleaning regiment.

My statement was based on the posts of many other members in the threads that I've completely read through about the Ligers. It's in no way a broad statement or just my opinion alone just for classification. It's one based on reading, questioning and investigating. I'm not saying I'm correct but it's what's been implied by others my friend. I respect your opinions and I'm fine with not seeing eye to eye on everything. That's life. Thanks for posting what you do post too, Cheers!

ichibaneye said:

I'm with you here too my friend.

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Mods. My fault. Medicated mistake. Please forgive me.

ichibaneye said:

I respect your opinions and I'm fine with not seeing eye to eye on everything. That's life.

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Indeed it is and I certainly didn't mean to be confrontational...I was in a rush and just jotted a quick note that was a bit terse but nothing meant by it.

Cheers

lazylathe said:

@Grifo

I am in Canada and also had issues checking out.
A quick call to NewVape and it was all sorted out extremely quickly and easily!

First contact should always be through a companies contact us or email them or give them a call.
A PM also works well and keeps the thread on point.

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I did.

grokit said:

I've been noticing, that my abv gets a bit... sticky... when I run dabs through my flower. I want my abv darker, to really extract the flower to make sure I get the dab out of it. It could get lost in there!

So I'll be turning up the lower coil to compensate, and make sure I get that abv chocolate brown. I was at 450/750f last time, next time I'm gonna bring it together and jump to 500/700f, and go slower.

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I was going to try your 2 coil method this weekend but unfortunately my dhgate flat coil doesn't fit around the center post. I didn't get why yours fit and mine didn't, but looking at your pics I think you have the opposite setup. An auber flat coil and dhgate barrel coil.

I'm probably going to order a new flat coil for my auber, but I'm not sure if my dhgate controller/pid will run it. My auber can't run my dhgate coil, it just says hot or something anytime I plug it in.

I am very happy with my decision to start vaping and choosing the flowerpot as the first vape i ever bought. This past weekend i went to a friends house to celebrate a friends up coming move to CO. I didn't bring my flowerpot because there were gonna be a lot of people and i did not want to sit there or be worried people were gonna mess it up. After a beer or two i decided to pack a bowl in a glass spoon and took a rip. EWWWWWWWWWWW i spit on the floor and right away accused the owner of the glass of smoking tobacco out of the pipe, which he denied. I changed bowl and it was still there.I came home and was still baffled on why it tasted horrible. I took a rib out of my bong (combusted again) and it tasted like doo doo also. Anyways FUCKCOMBUSTION!

All i need is a TI washer/spacer and id be a tad bit happier but even then it doesn't matter at this point if i could be refunded 100% id say no.

Bubba Kush, Jay-Z providing the the tunes...All this talk about making the FP better is way over my head.This thing all ready kicks ass, but I will always support this product can't wait to see the changes that come.