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I believe the FireFly does http://www.thefirefly.com/firefly-portable-vaporizer.html. I also think the elevape smart does : http://elevapesmart.com/technology/
Edit: Rather than defy gravity, I guess you could hold the herb in a heat resistant holster that is attached via non heat conducting fixings.
Otherwise if you used a metal screen suspended that holds the herb, once the screen heats up from the convected air, it will radiate / conduct some heat to the contained product.
I forgot to mention the Grasshopper, claims to be true convection, so I think there are a few out there!
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OF
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No. If you want a quick lesson in conduction, touch a hot iron.....if you can find one these days. Or maybe a hot fry pan? How did you think food in that pan cooks? When I went to school it was by conduction, I assume it still is? We put oil in that pan to aid the conduction transfer, using Wok technology? MFLB is a great example. For while HEATING UP radiation plays a role, when it comes to making vapor only conduction counts. Only herb touching the load gets hot enough?
Nope, no Radiation going on in Solo. At least not at a useful level. Look it up, Radiation only works with a very large temperature difference (called 'Delta' by the Science Guys). As that Delta drops, so does Radiation transfer since 'it goes both ways', that is the two bodies both radiate and absorb energy, equilibrium is when energy out balances energy in.....temperature change stops then. Notice the bathroom heater or campfire only works because stuff is fairly near and much hotter? The formula invloves correction factors for 'emissivity' ('black absorbs heat better than white') for each body, the Delta (in degrees C for SI units) and the square of the distance between (they need to be close to couple well unless there's a huge Delta like between us and the Sun. No Delta (like the cup and stem are the same basic temperature, no chance for IR transfer.
Of course there are lots of conduction vapes, you just named one (MFLB). Radiation vapes, OTOH are quite rare? Only one I know off hand is Bender?
Asked and answered in the same post, tops in FC efficiency.......
If you had to make contact, that's conduction. Hands down. No atomic level bonding needed, contact at the atomic level is enough. Sometimes we use 'coupling fluids' (like heatsink compound in computers or oil in a fry pan) to improve that. You have to analyze this stuff in terms of heat flow. Such 'barriers' to flow (poor contact) simply result in a 'temperature drop' across that barrier. In the heatsink case, that is a 'degrees C per Watt' number, the higher the flow, the bigger the drop.....or the bigger the drop the higher the flow if you prefer?
To answer the question, when you touch a hot surface all the Radiation transfer is instantly over (modest as it is in comparison) once Conduction (and bad language) starts.
No, heat is also conducted away all the time (if the surrounding is colder of course, heat only goes one way......) it's just that it has to come into the load faster than leaving for there to be a net increase in calories to make the degrees increase.
I'm not sure what makers claim, nor am I convinced that means anything special if it doesn't fit the established rules of Thermodynamics. They too can be mistaken. I do know that Rene (maker of Vapman) has stated that his vape is a conduction deal, basically zero Radiation (load and pan at same temperature......) and no significant convection (airflow cools, not heats, the load). IMHO he's right.........
Yep. I'd add Herbal Aire and Volcano to that list. Also the now discontinued Thermovape T1, Evolution and Cera. Also include BOX VAPES, they too are convection?
Folks seem to be attaching a value judgement to this? 'Convection vapes are better...' sort of stuff? I'm not sure that's a good guide, really. And it often seems to lead to guys inventing different rules for heat transfer than I learned in school.
FWIW, the heat flow part of Thermodynamics (the small part of that big area we're discussing here, it's really a very wide study indeed) is very much like electric current. No exact 'Ohms laws' link of course, but like Magnetism there are similarities. But heat (calories) flows (by Convection, Conduction or Radiation) by factors that can be measured and characterized by formula. Knowledge/skills from one technology can help others. Hydraulics (flow of fluids) also fits in some places. Open the valve more (or less) and the flow rate and pressures respond with that change.
Fun stuff.
OF
Edit: I forgot another factor in the rant above about how Radiation coupling works, there's also a factor for the surface areas of the two bodies involved in the transfer. Doubling the surface area, doubles the transfer. In the end, it's the emissivity and spacing that usually dominate. Consider here on Earth we enjoy great weather (Global Warming not withstanding) while on Mercury they melt lead at lunchtime. Same sun, less 'heat trapping atmosphere there....just a lot closer (like 1/6 ours).
OF
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OF
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Wise words from a wise man indeed
Who? Me? You're not the first to call me a 'wise guy'.......won't be the last I bet. Funny how so many of those guys are so adamant about not loaning me money as well????
I thought Who was on first? Shows to go you how easy it is to get distracted.......
While 100% is often a limit you can't get to, we have an example where all the practical energy is transferred by IR Radiation, the Bender. Conduction is also REMOVING heat from the load, but that just means we need to couple more in by IR to get the temperature/vapor we want. In a way over 100% of the energy to make vapor comes in by Radiation. Hows that for fun?
Microwave/RF is also Radiation (but a different sort than the IR we normally mean). Possible I guess, but like you I think it's going to need a wheelbarrow full of batteries to be portable. Not very stealthy in the end, and that's important to many.......
OF
1DMF
Old School Cheesy Quaver
Who doesn't like the sound of nuking their bud!
OF
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"In the day" the Russians couldn't make solar panels suitable for space so their early spy, communications, and weather satellites used 'piles' to make heat which thermocouples made into power. So old commie 'birds' coming down brought big loads of really nasty radioactive stuff back with them.
This points to a problem with your nuke backpack idea, your heirs will have to deal with a serious EPA issue attempting to get to your stash......
OF
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
Very good point!
I love the BENDER and yes it's not very conserving however the flavor is incredible.
Besides studying 7 or more hours per day I do experiments sometimes.
For the first time in quite a while I have a couple of nuggets of GSC left.
However I'm lucky to have a supply of Sativa, Hybrid and Indica.
So I mix to create a similar effect of GSC.
I became lucky in the sense I made a blend that I love!
The problem is what did I do?
As Albert Einstein once said: I never forgot anything I wrote down!
This morning I had this blend that is a mystery to me??
My SOLO fully charged by a GIZMO and a PHVES stem with a CHILLUM mouthpiece.
Very civilized!
Level 4 and I can see clearly now!
Hasn't rained and has been a long summer in Southern California.
Next spring fuel for the SOLO.
Such a simple device to enjoy the GRAIL!
Did you know that CANNABIS is the "HOLY GRAIL"?
Thermodynamics for a $1,000,000 device is worth discussing!
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Hashtag46&2
Trichome Technician
Okay, I was trying to keep this under my hat, but since it's being brought up...
I introduce to you...
The Higgs Boson Vaporizer..
This is the current Beta Version.
Coming Soon!
I introduce to you...
The Higgs Boson Vaporizer..
This is the current Beta Version.
Coming Soon!
OF
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What a silly waste of effort.....who in their right mind wants to vaporize Bozons? Let's see a show of hands?
Otherwise I think it belongs in the corded vape Forum? It's not portable until they put the handles on you know.........
OF
Andreaerdna
If God is the answer, then the question is wrong
You do not need to "touch" your iron to burn yourself, put your finger as near as 1/1.000.000 of any measurement unit to your iron, you do not touch it but ir radiation will burn your finger anyway nearly as fast :-(
Two plane/flat looking solids have a lot of superficial imperfections that reduce their contact area by 100 to 10000 times less than the apparent area. In vaporizer we use botanics that, not only they are heat insulator-to be read: bad heat conductor, they also are the opposite of flat/plane solids, even a very fine grind does not solve really the microscopical matter (even if it get more material near to the radiation source).
In an absurd reasoning if you want to exploit some contact-conduction heat transfert you should press really hard your load against the heated surface, making of grinded herbs a "solid body" contiguus with your bowl trench or crucible, also shading by this way a lot of IR radiation, but we know that it doesn't work that way, the opposite it seems to me, or not?
Edit: in solo conduction/contact can happen on material in contact with glass walls and the bottom of the bowl but the whole load get evenly extracted by air passing by glass and bowl in thin space getting heated very fast but colding the unit fast too. So even if the load get to be IR cooked the whole session time the solo exploit a lot of convection to bring heat in the middle of the load IMO
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OF
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Actually you do. You not only need to touch a typical iron but you have to do so for a fairly long time to get a burn. Longer than your reflexes will allow? I assume you don't have much experience driving one? When I was young and taught to use the iron so I could iron my clothes that's how you tested the heat. You touched the iron and judged by how warm your finger got from the brief contact. No burns in those tests.
Years of experience with soldering irons (much hotter, 700F typically) confirmed that burns take time. Calories of heat have to transfer to raise cell temperatures to a fatal level if you want a second or third degree burn.
Heat has to be looked at as a flow issue. How fast heat flows to your skin against how fast it's pulled away. Ever see the bar trick where you hold an ice cube for half a minute or so seriously chilling your fingertip. You can then hold a lit cigarette against that fingertip for several seconds with no problem since the heat is being swiftly pulled away by cold flesh, faster than it can get transferred in through the less efficient contact with the fire.
Heat is also not transferred by atomic level contact. Atoms are negative on the outside, they never touch basically. Heat is the vibration of the atoms, which is why almost all materials expand with heat (the atoms need more room to dance). A few highly polar materials (like liquid water near freezing) are exceptions, but in general the rule holds. Heat is the ability to raise temperature (vibrations) in atoms. It transfers from atom to atom because the negative fields interact, not from real atomic level contact.
There's a lot that's counter intuitive in this sort of stuff, but the rules are the rules. And, taken in total, they make sense and you don't have loose ends (like I can wave my hand through the 1300F flame in my lighter without damage to it.
I get it guys want to think of their Solo being convection not conduction, but the herb gets hot without any airflow???? And only a tiny fraction of the air molecules contact a hot surface on the way in, the maximum temperature for that molecule cannot be higher than the hottest point (the cup) and has to be averaged in with all the rest of the air that didn't make contact. It's at most warmer going in, it doesn't carry enough energy so it can contribute to the 400F needed to make vapor. That's why the hit 'cools off' rather than getting stronger and stronger like in Volcano, Cera, ESV and the other convection vapes.
OF
2 Cycle
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Got me a shorty turbo gong for the d020 and claisen setup on order. Been using those concave screens to great effect recently but that shorty turbo looks cool as it is only me using it. Also, you guys should check out magic flight finish grinder. Grinds it up so fine you really get a lot of surface area. Can anyone recommend a good claisen for 2 solos on top of d020?
N1NJ45K1LL
New Member
I bought the air knowing it would be extremely similar to the solo which i sampled for a weekend - my crafty had broke the day before (@33hrs operation time). Immediately i was astonished how much lighter the temerature of the solo was compared to the crafty - crafty would hurt my throat even with small water bubbler atttached. solo was double the plume and much lighter even tasted like ...humid - there was perspiration droplets in the bent glass tube attachment.
Im happy with my air. It shits on the crafty IMO in terms of batt life portability taste, lack of harshness on bigger pulls. but...a shit ton of draw resistance more so than with the solo. blindfolded i would say the 2 (solo/air) are quite different experiences. the air is (not as but...) similarly hot on the lungs as with the crafty.
whew!! i'm glad I turned down the opp to be a beta tester, look at that short vaporpath!Okay, I was trying to keep this under my hat, but since it's being brought up...
I introduce to you...
The Higgs Boson Vaporizer..
This is the current Beta Version.
Coming Soon!
Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
That's from your material, not the Solo
Keep your stuff out on the desk for a little while and let it dry out some of that moisture before you hit it next time. Less water content in the flower = less energy spent vaporizing the moisture before it gets to the goodies. Interesting to say you find the Solo draw easier than the Crafty... most everybody here has mentioned the "milkshake draw" of the Solo which is easily mitigated.Thank you all for the replies! Since it seems the quality is likely to be the cause, I was considering buying medical grade and cutting it with what I have to try and get the most for my money.... Any thoughts on that? I won't have this connection for to much longer so this won't be a forever type thing.
OF
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Sure you can do that. Like adding Brandy to wine to make Port. Only more so, hopefully?
No magic, all you can expect Solo to do is extract most of what you give it to work with.
But there's also the need to solve the first problem? I suggest getting at least a small stash of top shelf to test that idea. Confirm that it's the quality of the bud you now have? If not, solve that first?
OF
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
CANNABIS is the HOLY GRAIL!
The SOLO loves GRAIL.
HOLY is the SOLO as it or the user feels!
STRAWBERRY COUGH first stem
GDP 2nd stem
I'm not scared are you?
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
I had STRAWBERRY COUGH and it was smooth.I think strawberry cough is kinda harsh. I don't know if I will get it again. It's even harsh with my beloved Solo. I turned down to 3 and bump up to 4. Too harsh for temp 5. It does pack a punch though and it medicates well.
This was before dessert.
2x stems GDP
Level 4
I'm sorry however I love CANNABIS!