Discontinued The Firefly Vaporizer

[fogbank]

On the topic of extraction, I have found that my Firefly continues to produce vapor beyond what I have come to expect from other portable convection vapes (i.e. the Thermovape T1 or even the Solo).

I've been using a fine grind, packing pretty loose loads and shaking between hits. I keep getting vapor until the material is evenly browned and dark. I think that with the right technique the Firefly is capable of very thorough extraction.

 

[Vitolo]

The name of the musical piece is "FireFly"!

 

[grokit]

I was under the impression I could get the temperature higher with multiple button presses. I was misinformed.

To everyone that has Combusted in their firefly ...

Lol at these last two quotes, how is it misinformation if some are combusting!

 

[WildChild]

Lol at these last two quotes, how is it misinformation if some are combusting!

Some are hotter than others...been mentioned several times. You couldn't combust in either of mine if you tried...and I have.

Hasn't been much fun for me.

Hope that helps.

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

Thanks for the video, @Vitolo! If I didn't know better, I'd say it looks like you've had your FF for years.

 

[mitchgo61]

To everyone that has
Combusted in their firefly how do you go about cleaning it to rid the unit of any smell or residue ?

Iso. Wipe all the inside surfaces with a slightly damp-with-iso paper towel. Err on the dry side when using iso on the bowl (don't let any liquid drip seep onto the screen, you don't want it dripping below). You might need to do this a few times, but it'll kill the combustion taste. (My first unit combusted like ten times, and I was able to kill the taste.)

The name of the musical piece is "FireFly"!

Nice! Interesting that you are holding the heat button quite a bit longer than I normally do at the start of a session, although I work up to lengths like that as the bowl progresses. I have the same experience though...that first hit isn't as large as 2 and 3. The FF is like a vaping Rorschach test...everyone seems to react slightly differently and adapt accordingly. I guess this is why it feels more "personal" to me than other vapes that I've loved.

And there really does seem to be a noticeable range within released units; I really don't seem able to combust with my current unit no matter what I do, but I'm also clearly getting darker, hotter results than WildChild and some other folks.

 

[wisherly]

The firefly looks like a step forward in vaporizer technology. It's a bit too expensive for me right now, but looks like a vape that would be hard to be without once you use one. Am I right? The fast heat up time sounds amazing. Hopefully new vapes will learn from this and prices will decrease.

 

[FlyingLow]

Hopefully new vapes will learn from this and prices will decrease.

We can only hope, but I don't foresee any price drops in the near future.
If it is the best vape, it will stick around.

Look how long Storz&Bickel has been selling Volcano's at $450-$600

 

[pakalolo]

Since everyone has their own opinion on how ABV should look, I think it would be helpful if persons posted pictures of their ABV for comparisons. A picture speaks a thousand words, and would reveal a lot about how your bud is vaping.

Not here, please. If you want to make thread for that, fine, but this is the FF thread.

By the way, posting pictures to compare the colour of ABV is a really tricky business. Unless all the images are properly colour corrected, people will draw unwarranted conclusions.

 

[UnixRasta]

I have to respectfully disagree with @mitchgo61 (no offense) and say my Solo blows away the FF. It all depends on what your needs/likes are. I desire efficienct extraction...to DARK brown. The Solo does this very easily...the FF not so much. My buddy with a fully working FF feels the same way.

The FF is a very cool, well made device, but I still feel you really get your money's worth with the Solo...and it's almost fool proof. I have to work too hard to get at the higher temperature goodies with the FF.

Just one man's opinion. I own 5 good quality vaporizers and always use the Solo regularly. But you have folks here with more experience than I that may disagree with me. Each to their own.

EDIT: My replacement FF came this morning. I'll test it out after work to see how much hotter it gets than my 1st one. If this thing can grab more goodies than my trusty Solo, I'll come back and correct this post. Fingers crossed.

I agree 100%. My first FF was defective and would not keep a charge.
I sent it back for a replacement.
When the replacement came, I used just the FF for a couple of weeks.
I then put it in rotation with my PAX and Solo, just for variety.
As usual the cream rises to the top.
I am now back to using just my Solo again, while the FF sits in a drawer.
The taste, simplicity and reliability of the Solo currently just can't be beat, in my opinion.
The FF is just not the vape for me.

 

[Vitolo]

I am a huge Solo fan.
I use my Solo daily (and a bunch of other vapes as well)
In my rotation, the FF has risen to the position of the 1st couple hits of the day.
after those couple hits, I move on to other favorites.
All a matter of preference of course.. but the FF has great competition in this house for which unit gets used

 

[Wizsteve]

The firefly looks like a step forward in vaporizer technology. It's a bit too expensive for me right now, but looks like a vape that would be hard to be without once you use one. Am I right? The fast heat up time sounds amazing. Hopefully new vapes will learn from this and prices will decrease.

sadly no the tech just isn't there, for portable it's a fail and way over priced best wait till ff2 comes out.

main cons in order :battery, stealth,price,temp

1. weakest battery of any portables i seen 750 2-3 bowls per battery 10 to 15 hits
2. custom battery 30 dollars for a replacement they had to make there own they could had used 2-3 2600-5000 batteries and still get the voltage they needed, price would had been way less.
3.battery cover comes off in your pocket
4.just no stealth to this unit it looks like a pipe no matter how you hold it ,heavy and big more a stay at home vape
5. Price at 269 its one of the highest priced vape for a portable
6.set temp at 400 can't set lower or higher


pros:ease of use
1.push button vaping you turn unit on push button to vape much like the MFLB but with temp control
so no combustion(unless it's a bad unit)


Hey all don't get me wrong i love the idea and all, but not there choice in batteries nor lack of temp settings

(simple put when your battery dies and it will you all know it will you be forced to buy them from them, now what if they no longer make those batteries? you be stuck with a dead unit).
(there really was no need to custom make there own battery unless they want to sell you more batteries down the road which is ok a bit greedy but ok but what happens when you no longer can get them ? or do you buy 10+ batteries now?)

 

[fernand]

No external temp sensor doesn't mean no sensing. The processor is clearly tracking and regulating the current. And what sensors exactly do you see on other units?

I don't think the battery is crappy at all. Any battery has finite capacity. If you're heating air with 50 watts, it will need recharging pretty fast. It seems well-sized for the bowl size.

Now as to whether it's worth $270, the market decides. I paid $260 grand total for mine with an extra battery, and I don't see anything a lot better and cheaper. No question all these devices are overpriced relative to say a cell-phone. But the FireFly's solid aluminum body and screwed together parts are not mass-market stuff, the device is more like a hand-assembled crafted object. I find a MFLB at $120 much more overpriced for what it is, and what it's made of.

I don't really care for that last fractions off the buds, I like the more cerebral first fractions. I suppose if I wanted black ABV this would not be my vape.

It's not the ultimate, nothing is. I would love if it hit that coil 3 times harder for a couple seconds then backed off. But thermal realities may prohibit that. The next version? For now this is delicious.

I wonder if the Ploom 2 runs hot enough for our needs! That one is $40! I saw some people gave up when they saw the manufacturer's site saying it was for their cartridges only. But has anyone tried, either by filling little aluminum "carts" or otherwise?

BTW, we do need pix! So, am I done here, or under or overcooked?

Before I opened and touched up the position of my coil (a half hour and very simple job, just delicately changing the way the coil was resting), I was getting a lighter ABV. It made a difference also in how easily we get to that blessed plateau where the thermal undercarriage and bowl are humming warm. With a little screen "hat" the ABV is darkest in the center, needs stirring. It's more even if it flies around, but with small loads like this it's more practical to restrain it a little.

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

2. custom battery 70 dollars for a replacement

$70 for a replacement?

And would you really want to carry 2-3 batteries around for what 1 of the FF batts can do?

What you get out of the battery is more about your technique.

My battery cover has never come off in my pocket.

I've used my FF in a very stealthy manner. I use it in my regular diner, actually.

Yeah, it's expensive. It's also ready in 5 seconds using convection and without using butane. That's even faster than The Herbalizer.

Not sure how you can call the FF a "fail."

 

[darkrom]

Vitolo thats how my first session right out of the box looked. Supreme. I think that if you have convection vape experience this vape is REALLY intuitive. I have to focus way less on technique than I would with the firewood 2.0 or cera with the firefly.

I'm anxiously awaiting the return of mine. I tried the pax, but the firefly may have been the final nail in the conduction coffin for me, even the glorious form factor and simplicity of the pax. I find myself grabbing firewood 2.0 or cera while the firefly is out. Its really the best flavor and efficiancy of any vape I've used to be honest. Including desktops for now. I use about the same amount of bud in the evo, get the same effects, but way less flavor. So for a portable to rival a strong desktop (in MY experience) all I can hope is that my replacement unit works as good as the original. I already have a spare battery at home, but I doubt I'll need it. I had been getting 6+ bowls per charge and never really found the limit. Perhaps some batteries or units are better than others there, or perhaps its a technique thing.

1. weakest battery of any portables i seen 750 2-3 bowls per battery 10 to 15 hits

I've been getting 6+ bowls 4-10 hits per bowl or until it is DONE

2. custom battery 70 dollars for a replacement they had to make there own they could had used 2-3 2600-5000 batteries and still get the voltage they needed, price would had been way less.

The battery is $30...?

3.battery cover comes off in your pocket

Not my pocket.

4.just no stealth to this unit it looks like a pipe no matter how you hold it ,heavy and big more a stay at home vape

Its no pax, but its stealthier than things like the solo

5. Price at 269 its one of the highest priced vape for a portable

The good ones cost a lot right now. With the exception of the firewood 2.0 there are no sub $250 convection portables that I personally am interested in.

6.temp 400 can't go lower or higher

Well I can take low temp hits or hot hits on my firefly depending on how I hit it. There is no automatic heat setting no, but you CAN control the temp, just not automatically.

pros:ease of use
1.push button vaping you turn unit on push button to vape much like the MFLB but with temp control
so no combustion(unless it's a bad unit)

Activation is similar to the MFLB, however it is all convection which means huge increase in flavor and efficiency. For me personally, convection vs conduction is the difference between an irritated throat or not.

 

[hoyo77]

The name of the musical piece is "FireFly"!

That video is just damn sexxxy. only thing missing is a snifter of Cognac! I am loving the usage of the word "ready" like I said in one of my previous posts that 3rd and 4th hit are the best ones for me, vapor is dense like smoke and I cannot do anything but grin and hit that FF one more time.
A session with the FF reminds me of smoking a fine Cuban cigar(Hoyo De Monterrey Double Corona) and sipping a nice Cognac out on the back porch. Alone with no one to bother you, enjoying the sounds of nature and then drifting off to sleep. Waking back up to fire up the cigar again and enjoying the evening.

Vitolo thats how my first session right out of the box looked. Supreme. I think that if you have convection vape experience this vape is REALLY intuitive. I have to focus way less on technique than I would with the firewood 2.0 or cera with the firefly.

I'm anxiously awaiting the return of mine. I tried the pax, but the firefly may have been the final nail in the conduction coffin for me, even the glorious form factor and simplicity of the pax. I find myself grabbing firewood 2.0 or cera while the firefly is out. Its really the best flavor and efficiancy of any vape I've used to be honest. Including desktops for now. I use about the same amount of bud in the evo, get the same effects, but way less flavor. So for a portable to rival a strong desktop (in MY experience) all I can hope is that my replacement unit works as good as the original. I already have a spare battery at home, but I doubt I'll need it. I had been getting 6+ bowls per charge and never really found the limit. Perhaps some batteries or units are better than others there, or perhaps its a technique thing.







Activation is similar to the MFLB, however it is all convection which means huge increase in flavor and efficiency. For me personally, convection vs conduction is the difference between an irritated throat or not.

I am of the opinion that as you figure out the intricacies of this Vape, you will find battery life is a none issue. Hit it and quite it!! rinse and repeat!

 

[grokit]

I really liked my pinnacle pro with the water tool, the only thing was all the little parts were a pita and I was always afraid I would lose something. But until the ff arrived, it was my favorite portable by a fair margin. After my first session with the ff, I put that sucker up for sale and never looked back, ymmv!

 

[fernand]

As one gearslut to another, I don't think one of any is quite enough.

I see Solos on eBay for $129 shipped. Coming from the FF and loving it, to acquire a more scorched earth device, but not as horse-and-buggy as a Launch Box, are those OK?

@grokit, was the PP water tool kit satisfying as quality, and vapor, or did it feel too dinky? And what do you most prefer about the FF?

 

[FlyingLow]

BTW, we do need pix! So, am I done here, or under or overcooked?

Thanks, I appreciate your posting the pic.



@paka~ I do agree that pics can be deceiving as everyone's cameras and computers will process color differently, but what pics can clearly show (like in the example above) is how evenly bud is being vaped and it can show what areas might have combusted.

Combustion in a vape still tastes so differently than regular burning in a bowl or bubbler, that vape noobs [like myself] don't always know the difference until I get into the bowl to visually check what is going on.

We can get into greater detail in another thread as you suggested, but I do find it relevant to the overall FF discussion. I would welcome further discussion and analysis and started a thread for more comparisons: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/abv-pics-references.13096/

I think it would be helpful to see piles of ABV before buying a new vape, so you can better expect what it will do to your product.

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

I see Solos on eBay for $129 shipped. Coming from the FF and loving it, to acquire a more scorched earth device, but not as horse-and-buggy as a Launch Box, are those OK?

You won't find too many people on FC who DON'T recommend the Solo, no matter how many other vapes you may already have. It's fantastic. I wish I still had mine. Check out its thread. It's getting to be epic.

 

[grokit]

As one gearslut to another, I don't think one of any is quite enough.

I see Solos on eBay for $129 shipped. Coming from the FF and loving it, to acquire a more scorched earth device, but not as horse-and-buggy as a Launch Box, are those OK?

@grokit, was the PP water tool kit satisfying as quality, and vapor, or did it feel too dinky? And what do you most prefer about the FF?

Actually I do kind of miss that water tool, and may pick up another one someday. I think it's great to have around, it works very well for what it is at least mine did. I've never tried a solo, but they seem pretty nice if the form factor doesn't bother you, everyone seems to like it. I still have a few portables laying around for backups, but besides the ff the only one that gets any use these days is the lotus.

What I like about the ff is the the taste, ease of use and maintenance, and the fact that there's no small parts to lose. I also really like the high-quality look and hefty feel feel of the device itself.

 

[Vapor X]

Its my one week anniversary vaping with the FF, and it has been a very interesting experience. I still have combustion expectations for my vaping experience, and the FF HAS DELIVERD. Those who question if the FF can get to those high temps trust me the FF gets real hot. I hate hitting my FF cold, I have found myself using the button like a lighter. I push it and hold it as long as I need to heat the bowl to get enough vapor to fill the room full of clouds. There is no one way to hit the FF, it all depends on what the user wants. I have read about the button issues with the FF and I'm lucky not to have experienced any of those issues. Its not unusual for me to prime the FF on a cold start, so I'm using my button alot. The FF is built way tougher than it looks. Since its built like a cell phone it would be nice to have a leather case for it. Which brings another point, the FF is the kind of vaporizor that should only be used by one person, and not shared. Its made like a cell phone for a reason, its a very personal device. You don't see people sharing their smart phones, and that's how personal my FF is to me. I love my FF and she is only for me! Everything is not meant to be shared

 

[mitchgo61]

sadly no the tech just isn't there, for portable it's a fail and way over priced best wait till ff2 comes out.




2. custom battery 70 dollars for a replacement they had to make there own they could had used 2-3 2600-5000 batteries and still get the voltage they needed, price would had been way less.
3.battery cover comes off in your pocket
4.just no stealth to this unit it looks like a pipe no matter how you hold it ,heavy and big more a stay at home vape
5. Price at 269 its one of the highest priced vape for a portable
6.temp 400 can't go lower or higher

Batteries are 30, not 70. My battery cover has never come off, unless I take it off. As for going lower than 400...it's lower than 400 almost all the time, until you get it fully heated (and in some cases it clearly goes hotter than 400).

 

[fernand]

Just had a divine FF experience. I had this gram of Master Kush wax that was unvapable in any pen type atomizer. It tasted like a gearbox, and you couldn't stop choking and coughing. I was giving up on it, I confess, though I love Master Kush. What a waste!

But FireFly to rescue! Put a tiny dab of wax on a little pillow of fine gauge brass wool. Kiss it with the torch, fasten the hatches, hold the button a bit to warm up and vape. Now dig this. The gradual heating makes this not only taste OK, but actually taste interesting. Amazing. Gradually the full flavor was being revealed, like pages of a book, or onion skins. Some pages a bit green, some perfumy. Until it had all distilled. It's not that some bad final layer was left behind. At each hit, and there were a good dozen, a different fraction, but never that hideous taste I had on the glowing wire. I don't know if it's because the composite all-at once vapor is too botanical, a little like like a kilo of hemlock and pine tar, or because it was burning. But it was hideous, unusable, and this way it's not. What a little burst of happiness, that the little jar is finding its rightful place. It's a little like winning the lottery ;-) Thank you, dear FireFly. Really. I love this little thing. FireFly and Flowers, a vape made in heaven.

Now what's the next vape for the arsenal? Orbiter glass for the Launch Box? $80. Solo vaporizer? $130. Pinnacle Pro & glass? $250? Or even the unthinkable, even an oven, a Pax? Also $250?

 

[Shiggity]

I have been using ejmix bho with lots of success. I just put a piece of herb in there and put some ejmix on that. then a few pieces on top. I mix things around after every hit and by the dark abv I know it is working great! (and by the effect!) None of the mix has made it down to the metal screen or plate. And like @fernand is saying, the flavor is exquisite.