Discontinued Inhalater XP

hiphiphooray

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PBW: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/pbw-the-chemistry-of-clean.7854/

Here is the quote from this forum:
Posted this in the 004 thred but wanted to share here to.

My biggest gripe with the Inhalator was that after a month of use my capsules looked just like Vitolo's and they would never come clean. In my eyes this meant I would have to replace them to get that like new taste again and at $10 a pop +shipping that could get expensive. Well recently I scored a Mobius Ion Matrix out of the classifieds:rockon: and decided to get some PBW to keep it crystal clear. You can probably see whats coming but one thing led to another and my Inhalator capsules ended up soaking in PBW. WOW! it actually worked after a 48hr soak my capsule is almost like new. Even where the piece of poly overlaps itself is clear again. I imagine another soak or 2 and it will be completely clean. So there you go I highly recommend you try cleaning your capsules with PBW
 
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hiphiphooray

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Ohh, I get it now... Best at what? Best when it works... Got it! Cheers! :D

We are all entitled to our opinions I guess. I've tried a lot of the portables that compete with the XP and I personally think the XP blows all of them out of the water. Specifically the PAX. Many would say the pax is the closest rival to the XP, and I personally think the XP is a million times better than the PAX.

Sorry if you disagree. But I think there are probably a few others that would be willing to agree that the XP is the best ultra portable on the market.
 
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natural farmer

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We are all entitled to our opinions I guess. I've tried a lot of the portables that compete with the XP and I personally think the XP blows all of them out of the water. Specifically the PAX. Many would say the pax is the closest rival to the XP, and I personally think the XP is a million times better than the PAX.

Sorry if you disagree. But I think there are probably a few others that would be willing to agree that the XP is the best ultra portable on the market.

People new to the vape scene don't know much about vapes apparently. Some of us are here to help. Statements like "it's the best portable in the market" without any justification are meant to be questioned by some people and I am one of them. Open to discussion...
 
Just FYI to the person who asked about Inhalater vs Pax. Inhalater is the superior vaporizer but it is mostly if not all cancelled out by the customer service. Pax has incredibly honest and responsive customer service. I mean, you can chat with them directly!

I originally came to this thread to provide a positive review of the Inhalater (I posted a lengthy review/comparison to PAX, which it owned). I'm onto my second unit returned (second one was dead on arrival). Still, I came on to this thread to defend the product and the company. Folks at Inhalater promised they had shipped my unit out ("ships out tomorrow, prioritizing your unit"). Several weeks later nothing arrives. No tracking number, no item, no emails. Nada. Then it turns out that they had not even shipped and they didn't even have the courtesy to let me know that they could not honor their promise. I am very easy going and I know enough about engineering and production and product testing to be patient about these sort of issues. But making a promise which is a blatant lie?

And I still don't have my item. I understand production hiccups and I have been very patient but being blatantly lied to is another matter altogether. And then when I inquire politely about getting a refund it turns out they don't offer refunds but the seller tells me that they are in charge of refunds. I'm being tennis balled between the two. These are small potato rich people problems but I still have a bitter taste from this experience. I understand the whole debacle is uncomfortable for the producer, the seller and the user, but frankly I feel completely fuked over.

Just a heads up to people interested in this unit. Yes, it does have potential to be hands down the best vape out there (trust me, I'm a vape whore, when this unit works it will be awesome). But keep in mind that you're gonna be guinea pigged and then lied to without as much as a sorry or an explanation.

Am I exaggerating?
 

hiphiphooray

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I haven't lost a post... :) Haven't seen anything to justify the statement: "best portable vaporizer in the market". Especially when there are very few working units out there compared to how many have been busted...

Yes because there are AT MOST 50 complaints on this forum and over 1280 units sold. You're justification is flawless. If you disagree, then post you're justification.

We all know that customer service and condition of the unit are the only thing holding inhalater back. The unit itself, when it works, is amazing. It has many advantages over the pax, and if you haven't missed a post then I'm not going to relist them for you.

@kurütun, you are completely right. Customer service and QC issues are what holds the inhalater back. But anyone in the vape scene should know that a new vape is bound to have issues at first. You're final statement is basically the raw truth:

Just a heads up to people interested in this unit. Yes, it does have potential to be hands down the best vape out there (trust me, I'm a vape whore, when this unit works it will be awesome). But keep in mind that you're gonna be guinea pigged and then lied to without as much as a sorry or an explanation.

So yes, the inhalater is great, but its a new product. As all companies, we expect the product to be refined to perfection (as is getting very close with Q3) and we expect customer service to get better (which we haven't seen quite yet).

How about this for advice to new followers of the thread:
IF YOU ARE IN DIRE NEED OF A WORKING VAPE 24/7 AND HAVE NO BACKUP UNIT, DON'T BUY ANY NEW VAPE ON THE MARKET, INCLUDING THE XP.
IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO WAIT FOR YOUR UNIT AND POSSIBLY RETURN IT SEVERAL TIMES, DON'T BUY A NEW VAPE ON THE MARKET, INCLUDING THE XP.

I'm starting to lose respect for the FC community. Seems like everyone just joins this thread to complain and bitch about customer service and how their unit is taking a long time to ship. You should have been aware of all of this when you purchased a new vape to the market...
 
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Kaptan

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Just FYI to the person who asked about Inhalater vs Pax. Inhalater is the superior vaporizer but it is mostly if not all cancelled out by the customer service. Pax has incredibly honest and responsive customer service. I mean, you can chat with them directly!

I originally came to this thread to provide a positive review of the Inhalater (I posted a lengthy review/comparison to PAX, which it owned). I'm onto my second unit returned (second one was dead on arrival). Still, I came on to this thread to defend the product and the company. Folks at Inhalater promised they had shipped my unit out ("ships out tomorrow, prioritizing your unit"). Several weeks later nothing arrives. No tracking number, no item, no emails. Nada. Then it turns out that they had not even shipped and they didn't even have the courtesy to let me know that they could not honor their promise. I am very easy going and I know enough about engineering and production and product testing to be patient about these sort of issues. But making a promise which is a blatant lie?

And I still don't have my item. I understand production hiccups and I have been very patient but being blatantly lied to is another matter altogether. And then when I inquire politely about getting a refund it turns out they don't offer refunds but the seller tells me that they are in charge of refunds. I'm being tennis balled between the two. These are small potato rich people problems but I still have a bitter taste from this experience. I understand the whole debacle is uncomfortable for the producer, the seller and the user, but frankly I feel completely fuked over.

Just a heads up to people interested in this unit. Yes, it does have potential to be hands down the best vape out there (trust me, I'm a vape whore, when this unit works it will be awesome). But keep in mind that you're gonna be guinea pigged and then lied to without as much as a sorry or an explanation.

Am I exaggerating?
I'm not defending Inhalater, but did you try calling? Almost every time I call, Greg is available and very responsive to my problems. I agree, they have had some growing pains, but I think they are improving.
 

Hoops

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Greg is great for the most part, but many problems are completely out of his control.

I pre-ordered back in Nov of 2012 and based on the fact that the INH004 was an engineering success, who would have thought an upgrade in the XP would cause so many issues?

Long story short, I have two units that are garbage, neither work properly and Inhalator didn't respond to my last inquiry on how this can be made right. I've given up, no amount of money was worth the headache I went through. At this point, I've pretty much cut my losses and moved on.

The worst transaction I've ever been a part of. You'd be amazed how many people were backing Inhalator prior to the release of the XP and now....aren't to say the least. That's the last I'll post in this thread.
 

Snake Plissken

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Losing respect for the fc community? Would you respect them more if they were more understanding of abysmal business practices. Because of the nature of the merchandise, many seem to excuse the incompetent, childlike behavior of many mfr's.

Most of the CS issues have nothing to do w/ working the kinks out of a product. How is it an acceptable business model to :
- not establish and maintain regular contact practices (especially when your product exhibits failure)?
- not offer refunds on items whose failure you are directly responsible for?
- not respond to real issues, yet respond immediately to 'fluffy' posts?
- not replace/repair/refund damaged units in a timely manner?
- ignore customers once you have received their $ ?

It is the mfr themselves who refuse to maintain good company contact and the sellers who refer disgruntled customers to this forum to resolve issues. If you were selling vapes out of your backpack down at the drum circle, these practices might be better understood. At the price these units are really going for, people expect the company to stand behind their product.

There are consumer protection laws that protect the customer - reguardless of what any particular companies' policy might be. I am sure every state has a sitelike this:

http://www.doj.state.or.us/consumer/Pages/index.aspx

Here is just a piece of the consumer law in Oregon (from the bar ass.):

"Oregon has a law called the Unlawful Trade Practices Act. This law applies when a consumer purchases real estate, goods or services for personal or household use from a seller who regularly engages in that business or occupation. It also applies to healthcare professionals who commit practices prohibited by this law in the course of providing professional services. In general, most purchases or leases, including those involving used goods (like cars) are covered by this law. Loans and extensions of credit are covered as well. This law does not apply to the purchase of insurance or most landlord-tenant disputes.
If you can prove that you have suffered any actual loss as a result of an unlawful trade practice, and that the business knew or should have known that its conduct or that of its agents violated the law, you may be awarded the amount of your loss, or $200, whichever is greater. If you win the case the defendant who lost will have to pay your attorney fees. If they think they are likely to win it, some lawyers will take your case without charging you attorney fees, because the law requires the defendant to pay your fees. If you lose your case, a defendant can charge you with attorney fees only if the court finds there was no objectively reasonable basis for bringing the action or asserting the ground for appeal. And, if the conduct was intentional and malicious, you may ask for punitive damages to discourage the business from engaging in the unlawful act with other consumers.
The Unlawful Trade Practices Act prohibits many practices, most of them involving some form of deception or misrepresentation by the seller. Here is a list of the most common violations of the Unlawful Trade Practices Act:
  • misrepresenting the characteristics, benefits and qualities of the product or services offered;
  • making false or misleading statements about prices, including price reductions;
  • causing confusion about important aspects of a transaction, such as the approval, sponsorship or certification of the product by others;
  • representing that used or altered goods are new;
  • discrediting another’s products or services by false or misleading representations about them;
  • false advertising;
  • false representations about the availability of credit;
  • false representations that goods are available for sale when in fact the goods are not available, or available in only a very limited quantity;
  • false or misleading representations about prizes, contests or promotions used to publicize a product, business or service;
  • promises to deliver by a certain time with intent not to deliver as promised;"

No matter where a company is located, they are bound by the laws of the state in which they do business.
 

Sonics420

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Greg is great for the most part, but many problems are completely out of his control.

I pre-ordered back in Nov of 2012 and based on the fact that the INH004 was an engineering success, who would have thought an upgrade in the XP would cause so many issues?

Long story short, I have two units that are garbage, neither work properly and Inhalator didn't respond to my last inquiry on how this can be made right. I've given up, no amount of money was worth the headache I went through. At this point, I've pretty much cut my losses and moved on.

The worst transaction I've ever been a part of. You'd be amazed how many people were backing Inhalator prior to the release of the XP and now....aren't to say the least. That's the last I'll post in this thread.
Damn, and people wonder why I was so persistent with complaining.. I didn't want to end up with nothing for the money I paid.. People always say users with broken devices always come to complain, I have a feeling there are users with broken XPs that dont post here.

Most the posts I see are from folks who have waited months and then come on to complain. (after the issue isnt resolved), which is warranted.
 

Snake Plissken

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Damn, and people wonder why I was so persistent with complaining.. I didn't want to end up with nothing for the money I paid.. People always say users with broken devices always come to complain, I have a feeling there are users with broken XPs that dont post here.

Most the posts I see are from folks who have waited months and then come on to complain. (after the issue isnt resolved), which is warranted.

It is pretty universal that an unhappy customer will post more often than a happy one. A customer who feels ignored is even more likely to post and become even angrier.

I just wanted to add that all of my comments/opinions are not solely aimed at inhalator, but the market in general.

While there are obviously shortcomings w/ xp customer service, I risked a purchase anyway. This design seems different than any other portable and seems as if it will best suit my needs.
 

hiphiphooray

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@Snake Plissken, I'm just tired of seeing the same old complaints. That's all.

We all knew what we were getting ourselves into when we purchased from a small new company. I think everyone should keep this quote in context before complaining.

2 people going at it. This technology does take lots of time to produce at this moment.
 
hiphiphooray,
Sorry guys, I didn't mean to make people lose faith in FC users with my post or to come across as a whiney c*nt. I'm also not trying to attack the guys at Inhalater in any way. For the most part they've been polite and also they're innovators and risk takers which are two things I hold in high esteem and propel all of us forward as a species.

For the record I didn't just join the thread to bitch about shipping. I actually joined early to give a glowing review that I would still stand by if the unit where functional and in my possession (just find my review several pages back). Even when things failed (again) I still came back to put my worthless two cents on why we should hold out or have faith in the product. I'm basing it on my experience as a user and basing it on my basic understanding of the actual design, my taste for convection vs conduction, and having owned several portable and non-portable vapes and having used them in many environments (stealth is key for me).

I am well aware that product rollouts have hiccups. I mention the fact explicitly in two places in my post. I'm actually not complaining about the item taking too long to ship. What I am complaining about is a bit more subtle. I was told it would ship and was never even told that it hadn't. So I think my complaint falls within what is acceptable to hiphiphooray. Again, for the record, I was aware and in agreement of the well stated caveats hiphiphooray mentions in his thread about early product adoption. No complaints there. Vaporization involves complex engineering and chemistry. But keeping a database of your customers and repairs? Keeping track of a customer's shipping address and providing timely and honest assessments? Dammit, even my temp hire secretaries can do that! It isn't rocket science!

For the record, I'm not a judgmental person. I can't be. I'm kind of a loser and a slob as a person: always late, always behind, always making excuses... I'M A STONER FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. But when I make a promise, or when somebody puts money down, or when others depend on me, at least I can claim to be honest when doing my best won't cut it. If Inhalater folk had said: "hey man, we're really sorry, struggling a bit here, we can't ship anytime soon, thanks for your patience"... well I wouldn't be here venting my frustration now would I? I would have either moved on or waited patiently.

So, I have to ask once again, am I really being so unreasonable or a 'vape newb'?
 

natural farmer

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Aside from the obvious business shortcomings, the evolution of the product was not as expected.
Let me just say that the Inh004 worked much better, gave vapor from 2-3 up to 9-10, used more convection than conduction and it filled my bubblers much easier than the XP's that came in my hands. The XP seemed to gather vapor when not drawing (conduction vapor) and as you started drawing the vapor rapidly thined out and the heater needed some secs to come back to temp. The original would produce steady vapor with a slow draw and the heater wouldn't even blink. Not so with the XP's.
I was very bummed when I noticed this and had plenty of sessions that proved me right... I really don't believe the air is heated the same with XP's behind the chamber. I really think it works more like the Pax now than the original INH004.
 

Snake Plissken

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Aside from the obvious business shortcomings, the evolution of the product was not as expected.
Let me just say that the Inh004 worked much better, gave vapor from 2-3 up to 9-10, used more convection than conduction and it filled my bubblers much easier than the XP's that came in my hands. The XP seemed to gather vapor when not drawing (conduction vapor) and as you started drawing the vapor rapidly thined out and the heater needed some secs to come back to temp. The original would produce steady vapor with a slow draw and the heater wouldn't even blink. Not so with the XP's.
I was very bummed when I noticed this and had plenty of sessions that proved me right... I really don't believe the air is heated the same with XP's behind the chamber. I really think it works more like the Pax now than the original INH004.

If this is the case, I will consider it intentional misrepresentation of the product. After me harping on this issue and trying to get input from users regarding convection vs conduction (which seemed different w/ the newer xp's), inhalator finally came on (to answer someone else's same q, not my many) saying that there was no change to the convection aspect of this vape. This was not only the deciding factor for me to go ahead and order a unit, but the one aspect that would set this vape apart from others. Not to mention this is how inhalator is marketing the unit.
 
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Inhalater

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@kurütun

Pharmacor as a whole is in itself in evolution. We do not yet have an IT system. The IT system properly speaking will be hosted on ikob.com. They have a free, open source, revolutionary IT and Pharmacor will be the first to use it as a service :-) !

It will require another 4 months to fully implement system, point at which customers may expect to receive a first class service.

@natural farmer The 004 was much cruder and sensitivity of electronics was less. Temperature varions did occur but were not perceived on the LED. It is true, heating chamber thermal mass was greater, that may have occured for some variation.

However the important factor is that regardless of blinking LED, the Q3 produces more constant vapours along with many other advantages
 
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Inhalater,
@kurütun

Pharmacor as a whole is in itself in evolution. We do not yet have an IT system. The IT system properly speaking will be hosted on ikob.com. They have a free, open source, revolutionary IT and Pharmacor will be the first to use it as a service :-) !

It will require another 4 months to fully implement system, point at which customers may expect to receive a first class service.

Great to hear. Good luck with that! I think it will make a huge difference for you and your customers. Looking forward to receiving my unit. I have pretty high hopes and if it puts a smile on my face I will happily report back for the general public and if it doesn't I will just shut up and stop whining like a little b*tch. (Side note: it has always left a smile on my face but I suspect it has more to do with the material than anything else!)
 

hiphiphooray

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I think everyone can agree on the following: Amazing product, Questionable Quality and Lack of Customer Service.

Here is some advice for anyone wanting to purchase the inhalater:
  • The questionable quality seems to be going away slowly. Currently there are still many functioning Q2 units and Q3 has been claimed to be the "best yet" by Inhalater.
  • This means that you're unit is less likely to break and that you are less likely to have to use your warranty. So as long as your unit doesn't break, you will be able to enjoy the inhalater with virtually no downside.
  • If you're unit does break, you will have to deal with customer service, which sucks... Your unit will be away from you for a long time and you will need to have a back up. Inhalater won't update you on your status, but you will eventually get your unit. It may take some effort though.
  • Ordering the vape through a well known distributor like KushParadise or PlanetVape can help alleviate some Customer Service issue, as they will provide shipping updates and info.
Overall, I think it's still worth it to invest in an inhalater. The chances of having to deal with annoying customer service seems to be decreasing, and when the inhalater does work, it is one amazing machine.
 

neverforget711

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I've been eyeing this vape for sometime and have some questions.
Is this plant matter only?
To those with an Ascent, how do they compare? It's still too much of a W.I.P. for me to be an early adopter.
I really like the aesthetics of this vape, very sonic screwdriver.
 
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Zethin

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@Inhalater Not meaning to bug or anything, I understand that there is alot of unstable variables in the company but do you have any prediction on when replacement units will be being shipped? Last I heard from you guys I was told they would ship last week but I haven't heard anything since. While the waiting is a hassle, what I really don't appreciate is the lack of communication (again, I understand you've got other priorities), and would appreciate some sort of relatively accurate estimate as to when they will be shipped, AND a notification if you don't make the deadline. I ain't gonna be mad, I just wanna know c:

Best Regards,

Zethin
 

hiphiphooray

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@Inhalater Not meaning to bug or anything, I understand that there is alot of unstable variables in the company but do you have any prediction on when replacement units will be being shipped? Last I heard from you guys I was told they would ship last week but I haven't heard anything since. While the waiting is a hassle, what I really don't appreciate is the lack of communication (again, I understand you've got other priorities), and would appreciate some sort of relatively accurate estimate as to when they will be shipped, AND a notification if you don't make the deadline. I ain't gonna be mad, I just wanna know c:

Best Regards,

Zethin


Been barking up this tree for a long time now.
The first response was 2 weeks at best,
2 weeks later I was told later they would ship that same week
The following week, which was last week, they said they would ship either last friday (the 20th) or wait until monday and ship (yesterday).
So here we are now. No update yet, so they may have shipped yesterday, or they could be another month...

I've learned that Inhalater's responses don't really mean much anymore, they all just kinda tell you what you want to hear, but it's mainly bs.

It's definitely not acceptable behavior, but I knew this would happen before I bought. so I just kinda accepted the fact that they are understaffed. I still love the product and can't wait to have one, but I knew that I'd be waiting a good while and went ahead and got a backup vape out of retirement.


@neverforget711, this is for plant matter only but oils can be used if sandwiched (like most devices). I haven't used the Ascent (so don't expect this to be 100% accurate), but I've heard that the ascent has had a pretty rough start and had a lot of QC issues. Kinda typically for a new product to screw up, so I think it's still too young to buy.
 
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