Discontinued Thermovape Cera

kevin

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darkrom said:
Anyone willing to take a quick video of how to load the EO with shatter consistancy? More like sap really. Its too solid to drip in, too sticky to break into little pieces to drop on the ceramic.

I'm really just playing around with loading it. Can't give it a proper try while I'm on a barrage of medication. Not doing great right now so fighting the urge to vape while on all these meds.
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Hi
Sorry no videos but I can give you a quick walk through.
Start out using a cake frosting tip I think OF said #10, but for sure solids, shaters whatever put it in the cone, then heat up the Cera ceramic core disk using power button, then with heat gun or lighter heat waxes to liquid and slowly drain from the cone into the core ,you may need to make the hole smaller to slow the flow keeping the core warm/hot, try and keep it off the sides. Once loaded let Cera set for 5 mins. to allow oil to flow into lower disk.
Good luck
Kevin
 
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coffinoff

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Mine just died out of nowhere. It's super frustrating because after reading several posts from others with failing Ceras here, I babied mine constantly out of fear that it was just that flimsy. Apparently I was right, unfortunately, though it hasn't so much as tipped over once. It's never even left the house and practically never leaves my office desk, which I feel is pretty conservative for something that's intended to be portable. I imagine I'll just be directed to proceed quietly with RMA now, and I intend to, but I am rather disappointed. I expected to get more than a few months of use out of this when I decided to purchase it and I don't think that was unreasonable.
 
nopartofme

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Anyone know off-hand what the measurements are for the Cera cartridge o-rings? I'm looking to pick up a bag from McMaster-Carr. I'll throw the numbers up on Vaporpedia too for future reference.

I'm also looking for the measurements of the o-rings required for the NTSH mouthpiece. I still haven't tried it because I broke its o-rings while trying it on for fun, while my Cera wasn't working… :doh:
 
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darkrom

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Great Scott!
Anyone use ISO oil with their cera? I want to use it in there, but I'm worried about somehow ruining my cart.
 
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Mynameismud

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darkrom said:
Anyone use ISO oil with their cera? I want to use it in there, but I'm worried about somehow ruining my cart.
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Try a foil test, if there is minimal residue it should work fine. If there is a bunch of residue left over its probably not the best idea. It might still work but then you risk clogging the core and/or having to clean it often and losing some each time
 
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My recent failure got me started shopping around the portable wax vape market and it seems like I actually should adjust my expectations about these devices. I rather naively got into this thinking I'd be able to buy one and it would just last me forever when the reality is more like a combination of failure and obsolescence of existing tech, and continually advancing new tech means perpetual repairs, rebuilds, and/or complete replacements appear to be the real nature of the business. At this point I'm asking myself if I should just buy a whole new Cera for a backup or add something else like Persei to the now growing collection. Some other pen vapes that are relatively much lower cost almost seem like decent value in that light.
 
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coffinoff said:
My recent failure got me started shopping around the portable wax vape market and it seems like I actually should adjust my expectations about these devices. I rather naively got into this thinking I'd be able to buy one and it would just last me forever when the reality is more like a combination of failure and obsolescence of existing tech, and continually advancing new tech means perpetual repairs, rebuilds, and/or complete replacements appear to be the real nature of the business. At this point I'm asking myself if I should just buy a whole new Cera for a backup or add something else like Persei to the now growing collection. Some other pen vapes that are relatively much lower cost almost seem like decent value in that light.
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Thermovape revolution or Dart? Should make a trusty back up with prooven track record. And youll eventually be able to run the cera on those bodies
 
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coffinoff said:
My recent failure got me started shopping around the portable wax vape market and it seems like I actually should adjust my expectations about these devices. I rather naively got into this thinking I'd be able to buy one and it would just last me forever when the reality is more like a combination of failure and obsolescence of existing tech, and continually advancing new tech means perpetual repairs, rebuilds, and/or complete replacements appear to be the real nature of the business. At this point I'm asking myself if I should just buy a whole new Cera for a backup or add something else like Persei to the now growing collection. Some other pen vapes that are relatively much lower cost almost seem like decent value in that light.
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Hi Coffinoff,

I'm with MNIM - the Revolution (Dart) on the First generation 17670 PS is imo a virtually indestructible beast!! (and if the cart finally dies, you can have it rebuilt for $15). As a MMJ patient, I can't afford to use anything unreliable (or that might compromise my health) so it is my 'go to' setup while traveling. And it can take a beating! I've even 'launched it' into the ocean (didn't notice it on the towel before I tried to shake the shit out of it to get rid of the sand lol). Took it home, gave it a thorough cleaning, replaced the battery (tossed the one that went for a 'swim') and good as new!! I think it would meet your needs but if not, good luck with your search.

NoName
 
coffinoff

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Mynameismud said:
Thermovape revolution or Dart? Should make a trusty back up with prooven track record. And youll eventually be able to run the cera on those bodies
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I actually have a T1 and a Dart cartridge. My T1 is still going strong, though I've never used it much before. That's actually serving as my backup piece right now. My only real complaint with it is regarding what I consider way too short battery life. I think the Dart performance is pretty fantastic when it works. Mine failed twice in about 8 months. That second failure was right about the time when Cera first came out so I got a Cera thinking that would be my panacea, and I completely neglected to get the Dart repaired in the meantime. In hindsight, that was pretty stupid on my part. It's like I'm just starting to come to the realization now that it'll take more effort on my part than just buying one stock unit if I want to keep doing this long-term. Part of that was just the result of some mistaken impressions I had but, yeah, I still have a lot to learn.

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Hi Coffinoff,

...First generation 17670 PS...

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Nothing personal, NoName. I appreciate that you took the time but I kind of don't think I understand the language yet. Most of the numbers and acronyms look like meaningless jargon to me, in fact. I'm assuming this is a type of battery but it's kind of a good illustration of where I'm coming from. I pretty much have to Google everything to figure it out.
 
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coffinoff said:
Nothing personal, NoName. I appreciate that you took the time but I kind of don't think I understand the language yet. Most of the numbers and acronyms look like meaningless jargon to me, in fact. I'm assuming this is a type of battery but it's kind of a good illustration of where I'm coming from. I pretty much have to Google everything to figure it out.
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Hi Coffinoff,

Sorry for the acronyms - you make an excellent point - I should have been clearer. Looks like you already have a setup (I'm guessing the 'original' 6volt version that uses two 3volt batteries; RCR123's I think?). My setup is low voltage (3.7volts; the letters 'LV' are stamped on the base of the cart) and my PS (power supply) handle holds one AW IMR 17670 battery rated at 1600mah). I purposely avoided the 6volt version because I didn't want to deal with having 'matched sets' of RCR123's (I believe if one cell goes bad it can 'take the other with it'?). For me it was simpler to deal with the one single battery required for low voltage use. Hope this helps....

NoName
 
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You're right, two stacked 3.0v batteries. This does seem less desirable than one 3.7v for the reasons you mention. Another instance of not doing the homework. The difference wasn't apparent in practical terms to me just by looking at the options on the TET store website and just the designation of "low voltage" didn't initially carry any particular positive connotation to me so I blindly started comparing numbers. "6.0v seems like a lot more than 3.7v so it must be better!"
 
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coffinoff said:
You're right, two stacked 3.0v batteries. This does seem less desirable than one 3.7v for the reasons you mention. Another instance of not doing the homework. The difference wasn't apparent in practical terms to me just by looking at the options on the TET store website and just the designation of "low voltage" didn't initially carry any particular positive connotation to me so I blindly started comparing numbers. "6.0v seems like a lot more than 3.7v so it must be better!"
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You can haveit rebuilt to LV if you still need to get it repaired. Then youd just need a battery
 
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Hey Guys,
I have a little help for you if your having low draw or low production of vapor in your Cera. I have sent in my Cera 3 times for core issues and today I decided to do something about it. I was having low draw issues, leaking, no vapor etc.! I got my tools together and found the right size Allen head to take the core apart and boy was I surprised, It was completely covered in baked on carbonish material. The core looked like a black dear turd and the wafer was caked up. Here is the steps I took to make my Cera like new again. First do a boil cleaning just to make it easier to take apart. All you need to do is take out the 4 screws around the sides of the core and gently pull up on the threaded end to release the heating element and shake out the ceramic wafer(super small don't lose). Get a pair of tweezers and hold the wafer ever so gently and burn it off with a lighter, It should turn white again and be like new. Now comes the fun part, hold the heating core by the threads and burn the ceramic disks with a lighter until they are red hot, let cool down. O.K now we have to be super gentle(mega gentle) and scrape away the carbon build up from around the ceramic disks( they should scrape clean and look white as new) but be careful! Now wash it all off with water and put it back together. The heating element fits into the housing kinda tight so don't force it, just let it slide it:) Don't forget to put the wafer in first or you will be bummed out you have to take it all apart again. Align the holes and put the screws back in and let her rip! My Cera now draws like new, no more leaking (because the ceramic can now absorb the oil) and the vapor is amazing! Wish I would have taken pics but thought you could at least know it is possible to clean out if your having problems. Peace be the journey
 
nopartofme

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NothingToSeeHere said:
#110 (the two small ones around the cart) and #111 (the one that goes inside the MP so it mates tightly with the MP. Amazon sells some nice silicone O-rings. See http://www.amazon.com/217-Silicone-..._2?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1376185111&sr=1-2
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Thanks much!

Anyone have the scoop on the normal Cera core o-rings? I'd just order a replacement pack from TET, but I only need just the one kind, and since I'm going to be swapping a lot when trying the NTS mouthpiece I'd like to have plenty of backups… Might as well save on shipping and order all from one place too.

Severmore said:
While on the subject, do you happen to know the O-Ring size for the 510 Delrin MP?...Thanks
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Where are you using an o-ring with the delrin mouthpiece? I don't think it should require any.
 
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druminfected

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bill said:
Hey Guys,
I have a little help for you if your having low draw or low production of vapor in your Cera. I have sent in my Cera 3 times for core issues and today I decided to do something about it. I was having low draw issues, leaking, no vapor etc.! I got my tools together and found the right size Allen head to take the core apart and boy was I surprised, It was completely covered in baked on carbonish material. The core looked like a black dear turd and the wafer was caked up. Here is the steps I took to make my Cera like new again. First do a boil cleaning just to make it easier to take apart. All you need to do is take out the 4 screws around the sides of the core and gently pull up on the threaded end to release the heating element and shake out the ceramic wafer(super small don't lose). Get a pair of tweezers and hold the wafer ever so gently and burn it off with a lighter, It should turn white again and be like new. Now comes the fun part, hold the heating core by the threads and burn the ceramic disks with a lighter until they are red hot, let cool down. O.K now we have to be super gentle(mega gentle) and scrape away the carbon build up from around the ceramic disks( they should scrape clean and look white as new) but be careful! Now wash it all off with water and put it back together. The heating element fits into the housing kinda tight so don't force it, just let it slide it:) Don't forget to put the wafer in first or you will be bummed out you have to take it all apart again. Align the holes and put the screws back in and let her rip! My Cera now draws like new, no more leaking (because the ceramic can now absorb the oil) and the vapor is amazing! Wish I would have taken pics but thought you could at least know it is possible to clean out if your having problems. Peace be the journey
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I was just about to post about why my Cera EO isn't getting a very low draw now compared to when i first got it. I tried cleaning it with a water,iso,water wash a few times but no luck. I'm interested in trying this but, it's hard to follow when there's no pics. Much appreciated for the info though. if any one could post some pics on doing this or video for that other Cera owners that would be great! Just don't want to fugg up my EO cart, and I'm thinking maybe I should wait until I get a backup cart first, but your results are quite tempting, but I also heard before you don't want to mess with the cart at all.
 
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OF

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While I think it's wonderful guys are exploring new ways to clean their EO carts, I'm definitely dead against the idea of disassembling the cart, let alone 'gently' scraping stuff inside.

If you read back you'll find ample advice/direction from TV to not mess with even a single screw (as was once suggested) because of problems that developed later. The screws go into an extremely thin tube (I don't think even a full thread) and depend on a dimple on the screw and a trained hand on the wrench to stop at the right tension. Too little and it backs out with temperature cycles, too much and you overrun the stop and get shorts against the internal post.

I won't even get into the idea of scraping down ceramic elements we tell each other to be careful not to accidentally bang with wooden toothpicks.

IMO this is not a job for amateurs, but one for the factory. After training there, I've worked on a couple of LL cores, but know better than mess with EO cores. It's your call, of course, but I think it's wrong to encourage guys to void the warranty and do something this risky. My advice is to follow the factory directions and send it in if you don't keep after the cleaning and it gets hopelessly jammed up......it's not a good area for DIY.

OF
 
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JCat

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Although I do agree with you in a way OF ... I just sent in one of my carts for service on July 16th Express Post to try to get it there as quick as possible, and it's now August 12th and I expect to have it back any day (it's in the mail on the way back and just cleared customs).

So far I'm out about $38 for shipping for service, and it took a month (good chance I'll get dinged with some duty charges on the way back too). So it costs me over a third of the cost of the core to have it serviced by TV and I'm without it for a month ... might be worth the risk for some ...
 
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