Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

[ataxian]

Are you planning on re-using the Taffy-Cart, or a fresh 5 ohm?

Taffy almost ruin my new 2.4 cart!
I heated it up and extracted 0.3 grams to make a POLLEN PELLET.
I tested the cart and it's still good so I will reload with some BLONDE HONEYCOMB.

I took the 0.3 grams of recovered TAFFY and mixed it with 1.6 grams HELLS ANGELS OG.

Here is some pics of my morning:






Tonight I will torch it again.
Tomorrow I will have a HASH like treat!
In the meantime I will keep organizing!

The cart is back from the dead!


Using 3.0V in a SHORTY (lighter torch to compare size)
This is my boating companion!

Back to PELLETS:
I tighten after each heat up.
3 - 4 heat cycles.
18 hour plus before released from POLLEN PRESS.
Their are better units however this one does a good job for a super cheap price.
Made by a local machine job.
The BLONDE HONEY COMB taste so nice in the 2.4 cart.
SMOOTH! VERY SMOOTH!
One SHORTY 2.4 cart.
The other with PURE GOLD.
Looks like the boat voyage will be smooth seas ahead!

 

[mephisto]

Ataxian, thanks for the pellet porn.....Don't you worry about the heat and the integrity of the plastic press inside the metal sleeve??? I have never used my press, but now I am glad I held onto it.
Do you tighten the press after each heating??? Thanks and good lookin' out!
Please feel free to respond via pm so as not to gum up the bandwidth........if you like.

 

[butlerbach]

I think I have a solution for the leaky ss tanks. what I did was cut a small circle ( slightly larger than the diameter of the tank) out of a thin rubber-like plastic material ( approximately 1/2mm thick). Then I used a small hole puncher like you would use for putting paper in a three-ring binder, and punched a hole in the center of the circle. This made a hole just large enough to stretch over the threads on the end of the cartomizer, thus serving as a gasket between the tank and the main body of the persei. I have not had a leak of any kind since I did this almost a week ago. Just make sure that the material you use is not too soft, otherwise when you screw the tank down it will block the air passages at the bottom. Hope this helps..... mine has been working great.

 

[ataxian]

Ataxian, thanks for the pellet porn.....Don't you worry about the heat and the integrity of the plastic press inside the metal sleeve??? I have never used my press, but now I am glad I held onto it.
Do you tighten the press after each heating??? Thanks and good lookin' out!
Please feel free to respond via pm so as not to gum up the bandwidth........if you like.

I have a shop vise on my work bench to hold the press then I use some VISE GRIPS and crank a turn after each heat. I made about 5 grams of PELLETS so far. I might be over doing it however it's kind of cool to recover from the errors of my ways!

 

[exit]

You're most likely right (as usual.....) but I'd take Exit's timely post (which I can't otherwise figure out....), since the head does OK with 3.7 Volts and the cart I'd try the foil trick on the 4 batteries one at a time. Roll a strip of it up to make a cylinder about the same size as the 18350 and put it under a single 18350 and see if it stays up. My guess is you'll find one that does, maybe? Worth a try IMO. Shouldn't take long.

Good luck.

OF

I was referring to testing some oil by heating the foil and seeing how it acts, but glad i could jog your mind by accident maybe? haha!

 

[OF]

I was referring to testing some oil by heating the foil and seeing how it acts, but glad i could jog your mind by accident maybe? haha!

Naw, we make a great team. It's all in the timing they say.

"You lie, I swear to it".

OF

 

[friedbanana8]

I have a shop vise on my work bench to hold the press then I use some VISE GRIPS and crank a turn after each heat. I made about 5 grams of PELLETS so far. I might be over doing it however it's kind of cool to recover from the errors of my ways!

Ataxian, thanks for the pellet porn.....Don't you worry about the heat and the integrity of the plastic press inside the metal sleeve??? I have never used my press, but now I am glad I held onto it.
Do you tighten the press after each heating??? Thanks and good lookin' out!
Please feel free to respond via pm so as not to gum up the bandwidth........if you like.

Im trying to hear this too!
Did you just go to your local machine shop and ask for a pollen press?
im bout to get one

 

[ataxian]

Im trying to hear this too!
Did you just go to your local machine shop and ask for a pollen press?
im bout to get one

EBay
The company has a machine shop in Colton, CA
$13.00

 

[ru_frothi]

Ruff im sorry but i have the units in front of me, there is no BS from me, i sent you a free Hercules so that i can confirm a defective unit without you sending in yours, Some how the second unit was causing issues too, that led me to believe something else was going on, Im sorry I was not able to make it up to San Francisco. I am just telling you how it is. I have both Hercules 7.4v units and both are firing perfect, end user error? not sure, act of god? not sure. What i know is your Hercules plus the free one I sent, plus the 3.7v Hercules all work perfectly. Have you checked your charger? is it fully charging the cells?

To say that I have not taken care of all my our units that have been sold and the fact that we don't provide customer service is wrong.

I am happy to give you full refunds to all the units you have ordered from us minus the items that where sent for free. There is nothing else I can do, i know you have been here from day one and I thank you for it, but theres nothing else i can do other then make sure your units working fine.

There are other Hercules users that can produce vapors with their units, and Vito even shows a video of him doing massive clouds on the 3.7v.

G,

This is the first I have I heard any sort of apology from you. Just excuses till now. That's all I've ever wanted to hear was a sincere and to get honest answers. I accept your apology.

I never said you did not take care of all your customers. Just not me on this issue.

There is more confusion here: I sent you everything including batteries for testing.

you told me flat out that you tested the both 7.4v herc with known good units and they did not work.
you also told me in that same conversation you tested both 7.4v with my units and they did not work.
I asked you very specifically if you tested with reference or known good units and you said yes. "They get hot but don't produce any vapor, I need to have the engineer look at it"


then 4 hours later that very same day you post here that they make "massive vapor"

Somehow that story has changed. I don't care. I just want units that work.

Straight up. I think the Alpha level non Persei heads you shipped were bogus. and the source of all these issues. You can easily confirm this if you haven't lost them. which you told me you had but its still unclear?

If the hercs work, send them to me and guess what betcha $20 they work fine now that I have a head that works.

You have no reason to sit here and claim any user error. You were sent the complete unit plus batteries. Deductive testing would yield the culprit. Dunno why that can't or hasn't happend. But if the herc's create heat now and "massive vaport" then please test against my old heads. If you don't have then don't BS me or try and tell me its user error. Send me the herc and let me be a happy camper. its not a charger I have 3 of em and use 7.4v dual head 4.0 ohms at my goto setup. no issues charging batteries.

All I ever wanted was the truth and some apology for all the excuses and broken commitments. It seems like that day has come! Thank you!

Now just get me a working herc. you had every opportunity to test all the pieces and send me a working complete unit. instead you sent me a new persei and no herc. Why are you still holding onto my herc.

Please make this right!

 

[DubCRider]

He is most likely waiting to send you a V2 Herc once they are ready.

I'll be in SJ today and I'll give you my Herc to tide you over until this gets sorted out, sound good? All I need is an address to deliver it to. PM/call me if interested.

 

[ataxian]

He is most likely waiting to send you a V2 Herc once they are ready.

I'll be in SJ today and I'll give you my Herc to tide you over until this gets sorted out, sound good? All I need is an address to deliver it to. PM/call me if interested.

DubCrider I have some POLLEN PELLETS (HASH LIKE) I'm collecting for the HERCULES V2.
My question is can I just try the V1 for now?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Aluminu...903?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item563773c6ef

They have better ones however this was only $11.95
Just want to see if this is a good way to recover medicine?

 

[DubCRider]

Sure, those pellets look like a treat! You will most likely combust the flower since you can't load it in to a tank but the hits should be strong.

 

[ataxian]

Sure, those pellets look like a treat! You will most likely combust the flower since you can't load it in to a tank but the hits should be strong.

My new daily drivers!
The POLLEN PELLETS work very well for me:
The HERCULES V1 with this type of medicine?
WOW!

Just getting started!

Had to try the bigger bubbler 18MM Female diffusser stem.

 

[friedbanana8]

My new daily drivers!
The POLLEN PELLETS work very well for me:
The HERCULES V1 with this type of medicine?
WOW!

Was there combustion? Or were you able to steady vape?

Ive been getting better at vaping with the hercules. I think i was putting too much herb in it, but now i only load it to where its about a 2mm above the hammer rod. And its been more consistent.

 

[ataxian]

Was there combustion? Or were you able to steady vape?

Ive been getting better at vaping with the Hercules. I think i was putting too much herb in it, but now i only load it to where its about a 2mm above the hammer rod. And its been more consistent.

This was a good use of my mistakes.
The POLLEN PELLETS once they start making clouds I back off the button and get about 2 huge rips after I just had 2 so it looks like 4 rips per action. Very Medicating rips I must say.
It's still too early to tell what my yields will be as I need some practice!
The HERB being compressed with WAX has like a protective coating.
I liked it best with water path.
As long as I let go of the button I did not experience combustion.
However if I held the button too long I'm sure I could have combusted!
My larger bubbler that I bought for my SOLO works best with the PERSEI.

I have had 2x the appetite and lots of laughter which I think we all need more of anyway!

Plan to write up a few formula's and practice some more.

Tomorrow's menu!
1 gram FLOWER + 0.5 KEIF + 0.5 TAFFY (it's a way to use up this concentrate) = 2 gram POLLEN PELLET

Maybe you can try as well?
I want to make sure you have a good result to confirm findings.

If BENDER is up for it he get's a turn too!

 

[Erikim]

Hey that bubbler is from mavericks in Westwood yea?!?

 

[ataxian]

Hey that bubbler is from mavericks in Westwood yea?!?

Just the PECULATOR in Green Glass.
They gave me a good price.
The Bubbler is a cheap import the added attachments improved it's function.
Mavericks makes cool stuff!
I use a Diffuser stem as well.

I'm rather surprised how well this method works.
I haven't had the giggles this bad before!
Need a NIBBLER:

 

[Erikim]

Oh man. You got quite a setup. You shoulda show me the jedimways to good vapor. My omicron only puts out smalls wisps. I get quite medicated, but only for a short time. Therefore, I'm wondering if I need bigger hits...

 

[poonman]

Oh man. You got quite a setup. You shoulda show me the jedimways to good vapor. My omicron only puts out smalls wisps. I get quite medicated, but only for a short time. Therefore, I'm wondering if I need bigger hits...

You should be able to get some half decent cloud vapors from the Omicron .
Maybe not as big as the Persei , but def. not small wispy vapors .
Unless your cart is low and near empty , but at 0.5 to 0.9 g , I get some nice hauls to the point
of coughing . Or maybe your cart is dead ?

 

[friedbanana8]

Oh man. You got quite a setup. You shoulda show me the jedimways to good vapor. My omicron only puts out smalls wisps. I get quite medicated, but only for a short time. Therefore, I'm wondering if I need bigger hits...

You should be able to get some half decent cloud vapors from the Omicron .
Maybe not as big as the Persei , but def. not small wispy vapors .
Unless your cart is low and near empty , but at 0.5 to 0.9 g , I get some nice hauls to the point
of coughing . Or maybe your cart is dead ?

I agree, i think you may have a dying cart. Did you do the pre-oxidizing? The first time i used 2.4 ohmers i pre-oxidized, so at first it worked pretty good, but after a couple days it wasn't producing as much. The same happened with my 5.0ohmers, but i had no clue it was because i pre-oxidized, until i filled another 2.4ohmer and this time without pre-oxidizing. Now it produces more vapor than my pre-oxidized 5.0ohmers which is when i realized that they were dying (i know the directions says you can take up to a 6-second hits with the 2.4ohmers, but with my nibblerx my lungs get filled at only 3-seconds!).
Also i took advice from somebody on this thread, cant remember who, but they said to pulse the button like 10 times to warm up the cart and let your concentrate melt down to the heater. I used to always just go to a straight 5 second hit with the 5.0ohm carts, but i didnt realize that at times the wax would get stuck and needed a warm up to get down to the heater. Without the warm-up i think i was at times, basically, performing a dry burn which is the same thing you're doing when you pre-oxidize. So i usually pulse it 10 times and then hold it down 3 seconds for my hit; the directions say you can go to 6 seconds though. Also remember to never press the button without pulling air, even when pulsing the button. i also pulse just a few times before every other hit in that session, letting it cool down a few seconds inbetween hits.
I'd also consider switching between 3 strains in a 3 day cycle, so that your tolerance to any one strain doesn't go up. I started switching between 3 strains and i went from needing 10 hits to just 5 hits a session.

This was a good use of my mistakes.
The POLLEN PELLETS once they start making clouds I back off the button and get about 2 huge rips after I just had 2 so it looks like 4 rips per action. Very Medicating rips I must say.
It's still too early to tell what my yields will be as I need some practice!
The HERB being compressed with WAX has like a protective coating.
I liked it best with water path.
As long as I let go of the button I did not experience combustion.
However if I held the button too long I'm sure I could have combusted!
My larger bubbler that I bought for my SOLO works best with the PERSEI.

I have had 2x the appetite and lots of laughter which I think we all need more of anyway!

Plan to write up a few formula's and practice some more.

Tomorrow's menu!
1 gram FLOWER + 0.5 KEIF + 0.5 TAFFY (it's a way to use up this concentrate) = 2 gram POLLEN PELLET

Maybe you can try as well?
I want to make sure you have a good result to confirm findings.

yeah ill give it a try, im low on wax so im saving it for my 2.4ohmer, but once i get a few dead carts that i can recover wax from, ill make some pollen pellets and post up my results.

 

[OF]

The same happened with my 5.0ohmers, but i had no clue it was because i pre-oxidized, until i filled another 2.4ohmer and this time without pre-oxidizing. Now it produces more vapor than my pre-oxidized 5.0ohmers which is when i realized that they were dying.

Also i took advice from somebody on this thread, cant remember who, but they said to pulse the button like 10 times to warm up the cart and let your concentrate melt down to the heater. I used to always just go to a straight 5 second hit with the 5.0ohm carts, but i didnt realize that at times the wax would get stuck and needed a warm up to get down to the heater. Without the warm-up i think i was at times, basically, performing a dry burn which is the same thing you're doing when you pre-oxidize.

i also pulse just a few times before every other hit in that session, letting it cool down a few seconds inbetween hits.

Lots of excellent tips from FB8 there. Useful, experienced based stuff, worthy of consideration IMO.

I remain convinced 'pre oxidzing' causes more problems than it fixes and should be avoided. The best you can hope for is a temporary improvement in taste. Temporary. All too often it takes an innocent cart's life, or condemns it to life as a cripple.

I also think the key skill in the end is control of heat. It goes way past 'push the button and enjoy the vapor'. When you shut down, everything cools in place. The concentrate in the heater, already hot but not quite evaporated off cools right there. The melted concentrate in the wicks likewise. Further upstream the concentrate 'ready to feed next' sits next to the bulk heater. Depending on the concentrate (the thicker at room temperature the bigger the issue) this has to be overcome. The easiest to get going is already in the heater, it goes right away. The last to go is in the wicks between the reservoir and heater with no direct heat available. Above it is the goods against the heater that will help melt the river channel free of ice come spring......that takes time, time enough for the heater to exhaust it's modest supply and go into 'dry burn' mode.

You really need to think in terms of that oil in the wicks I think. Get that part right and good performance follows, cheat on it and grief is sure. It's not what's at the heater, but what will replace it immediately. Pulsing helps you direct the heat, you need to build it up where needed.

Likewise, cooldown after the hit is part of heat control. That's what sets up the next hit.

Once you do that 2.4s can do some amazing stuff. Higher power carts are easier, but they have real costs and discourage learning the skills really necessary to get what you want on demand.

Good stuff, IMO.

OF

 

[SlinginPaint]

Threw the 2nd half of my gram (.5) into a 2.4 last saturday which brought the weight of the cart up to 8.21.

Now at 8.07 the taste of the cart is not so good (reclaim?)... not really sure where the other .3 went?

I thought that only the first time filling the cartridge was when you would lose that initial .2 to saturation/loading

 

[friedbanana8]

Threw the 2nd half of my gram (.5) into a 2.4 last saturday which brought the weight of the cart up to 8.21.

Now at 8.07 the taste of the cart is not so good (reclaim?)... not really sure where the other .3 went?

I thought that only the first time filling the cartridge was when you would lose that initial .2 to saturation/loading

is it still producing vapor like before?
if so then maybe you just overheated the concentrate.
You could reclaim if you want, but its still going to taste burnt when you throw it in another cart. Best you just run the cart till its dead and fill another one with fresh concentrate to avoid mixing some burnt concentrate taste with your fresh concentrate taste. Burnt concentrate is still potent! But it'd just be something i'd keep in mind next time im thinking about holding the button down that extra 2 seconds or so.

 

[OF]

Threw the 2nd half of my gram (.5) into a 2.4 last saturday which brought the weight of the cart up to 8.21.

Now at 8.07 the taste of the cart is not so good (reclaim?)... not really sure where the other .3 went?

I thought that only the first time filling the cartridge was when you would lose that initial .2 to saturation/loading

Bad taste doesn't mean is running low, low production does.....sometimes. If the volume of production is normal, the fill is fine.

Oil can have all sorts of mishaps (loading, air pockets, poor cool down, aggressive heating, etc) to cause off tastes. It's harder to do with 2.4s, but don't take that as a challenge, it can be done by a dedicated user.

As long as your .25 or so above dry and still producing vapor I advise hitting it no matter how the taste is going (within reason, of course). Be gentle, it can only stay bad or get worse.

OF

 

[SlinginPaint]

The production is there. I must have over heated.. 1 down 2 more to go. Thanks to you both!