Discontinued ThermoVape Evolution

[t-dub]

The big difference, imo, is the Revolution has the "messy window" which I could do without now that I know that my bubble (seems to have too much plant material for 74 micron?) was a pita to use with it and results were :/ . Now that I finally have proper bho to "feed" it its happy but I wish I had the DART instead . . .

 

[OF]

Ive even let hit heat up until I smell burning and im still geting weak hits...

So, cie la vie, I have to assume that its quality control or the missing ring...
Let me also mention that the herb at the bottom looks charred and the rest looks unvaped...

Bummer it's not working well for you but I seriously doubt it's a QC issue if it worked at first and I know for certain there was no 'missing ring' as there was none in the design when it was packed (just like mine). The ring addresses an entirely different issue. It works normally with or without it.

I suspect you're not getting heat transfer going right? If the herb on the bottom is overdone and the rest raw. You're not overfilling are you? How much weight are we talking here? How much dead space on top?

Otherwise, I assume the battery is charged (weak ones will get it hot, but not hot enough...)? And after a 15 or second warm up (no draw) you're doing a medium draw (say half a minute to fill your lungs) until the heat transfers?

At that point you should be in vape city....

OF

 

[OF]

KillFace, it's more appropriate to say the ProVari V2 has a 14.5W limit, unfortunately. It provides 3.5A up to 4.2V and a max of 14.5W at higher voltages. It is, and I share your pain, not enough to drive the Evo.

That being the case, it won't work at all. It needs to get to 6.0 Volts at full current. If there's a power limit as well, as it sounds there is, no way around it 20 is bigger than 14.5, this is not going to fly. I recommend the factory battery....

Thanks GB, I'd better go fix my post...

OF

 

[jambandphan03]

To clarify, the Revolution was designed for concentrates but oil concentrate works best and the Dart is specifically designed for oils. The Evolution is for herbs and possibly dry concentrates (bubble hash) that can be layered in the chamber with the herb.

 

[Jeppy]

Thanks Ol Fucker. I would have been huffn paraquat and rubber if not for you. I guess I better search for silicone?

 

[kewpcer]

@Killface

It might set off the over-current protection in your ProVari before you can turn it up enough to get it to operating temp.

Until TV tells us what the impedance specs are on these things we're in the dark about cross compatibility. Any mod with a switch is going to be suspect to not working, because apparently few mods have switches that can take the current load needed to run the Evo. It seems like TV has avoided this by eliminating the switch in favor of manually connecting the battery with the sliding carrier system.

 

[greenbean]

kewpcer, they told us they're 20W, that's enough to figure out that the Evo is ~1.8 ohm and the Evo LV is at ~0.7 ohms.

Just in case anyone sees this, the Evo is a beast and most e-cigs will not work with it. You need relatively big batteries and switches designed for more current than most non-mechanical e-cig mods are capable of providing.

 

[OF]

What does "and bubble in the middle" mean?

Lots of guys (me included) have had successful experiments with a layer of ground herb with a similar layer of bubble hash above and a herb layer on top. Say thirds. Very nice. Very very nice. Try it and see if you don't agree.

OF

 

[NewVape]

The AW IMR 14500 has an 8C discharge rating, at 600 mAh that means the battery is only good for 4.8A. The Evo runs at 20W, which would mean 5.4A at 3.7V. The Alpha Ultra isn't enough to drive the Evo with these batteries.

Since I don't understand the math behind this can anyone verify this? OF? TV Tim?

Also I am just double checking what I read earlier in the thread, with the UltraFire chrager I should have green lights when no battery is inserted, Red when charging and Green again when fully charged, not all green all the time?

 

[SnidelyWhiplash]

Bummer it's not working well for you but I seriously doubt it's a QC issue if it worked at first and I know for certain there was no 'missing ring' as there was none in the design when it was packed (just like mine). The ring addresses an entirely different issue. It works normally with or without it.

I suspect you're not getting heat transfer going right? If the herb on the bottom is overdone and the rest raw. You're not overfilling are you? How much weight are we talking here? How much dead space on top?

Otherwise, I assume the battery is charged (weak ones will get it hot, but not hot enough...)? And after a 15 or second warm up (no draw) you're doing a medium draw (say half a minute to fill your lungs) until the heat transfers?

At that point you should be in vape city....

OF

I was shocked that the 2nd bowl was not dope like the first... I didnt do anything differently.
Ive packed a few ways, a tiny pinch, to 3/4 full loose to tight packed.

I offer the theoretical "QC "because with my Rev, my first unit was weak. I spent weeks trying to get it to work better, talking to them, posting, cleaning it. Finally I ordered another and guess what... It hit perfect and stayed that way. All got for feedback was "Glad its working now".

I think these guys have nailed a big piece of the puzzle here with quality of build. But when it comes to mechanical engineering my personal experience was like they release beta-products in order to beat the market.

Mind you, who doesnt? From Apple to Microsoft, its the way the world works and sometimes is the best choice.

Let me say this to shoppers: The rev is the best portable oil vape. It fucking rocks. I just had a shitty support experience - because the company really did believe it was fine, the ONLY way to tell was to get another. And, the hits im seeing from the EVO from others look great, a great product and a great price.

 

[bruno13]

So, I am a little confused. I have the Rev base with lots of extra batteries (all from Thermo). My Evo has no o ring like in this video (the little white ring) and it doenst hit worth a shit. It's about as good as a magic flight box if not worse.

Did they forget my ring, or is that the new update and I need it? The rips look perfectly acceptable on this video...

That was my own o-ring. Email TV to get one for free if yours did not come with one. I am not sure how to get consistent big hits. I pulled pretty hard in the video, alot harder than with the dart or omi carts. I also held it on the entire time. It was pretty good stuff also. I have not had a chance to play with it much.

 

[OF]

Since I don't understand the math behind this can anyone verify this? OF? TV Tim?

Also I am just double checking what I read earlier in the thread, with the UltraFire chrager I should have green lights when no battery is inserted, Red when charging and Green again when fully charged, not all green all the time?

The numbers are 'right' but plenty close for our needs. I don't worry about it. Neither does TV. There's a fair bit of margin built into that number, we're ahead of 'worst case' heat in that we have a metal shell although heat will weaken the battery.

Yes, that's right charger wise (I think). I assume yours isn't doing that (stays green, doesn't seem to charge?). Is the voltage switch on the right on the correct voltage?

OF

 

[greenbean]

The numbers are 'right' but plenty close for our needs. I don't worry about it. Neither does TV. There's a fair bit of margin built into that number, we're ahead of 'worst case' heat in that we have a metal shell although heat will weaken the battery.
OF

All I'll say further is that the poor performance reported earlier with the Evo LV on an AW IMR 14500 is consistent with voltage drop associated with running a battery beyond its means. This will significantly reduce the battery's life and may contribute to a catastrophic failure.

Batteries have ratings for a reason and if you want good performance the numbers matter.

 

[OF]

I was shocked that the 2nd bowl was not dope like the first... I didnt do anything differently.
Ive packed a few ways, a tiny pinch, to 3/4 full loose to tight packed.

I offer the theoretical "QC "because with my Rev, my first unit was weak. I spent weeks trying to get it to work better, talking to them, posting, cleaning it. Finally I ordered another and guess what... It hit perfect and stayed that way. All got for feedback was "Glad its working now".

I think these guys have nailed a big piece of the puzzle here with quality of build. But when it comes to mechanical engineering my personal experience was like they release beta-products in order to beat the market.

Mind you, who doesnt? From Apple to Microsoft, its the way the world works and sometimes is the best choice.

Let me say this to shoppers: The rev is the best portable oil vape. It fucking rocks. I just had a shitty support experience - because the company really did believe it was fine, the ONLY way to tell was to get another. And, the hits im seeing from the EVO from others look great, a great product and a great price.

This is past strange. You've got two problems in a row in a product that most folks are finding good? What are those chances? What was wrong with the first one?

I agree, they seem to crank out good gear. IMO their business model is first rate, which can really help after you've paid the freight to get it going. However, as a beta tester on this very product I can assure you you're dead wrong WRT bypassing testing. I can give my opinion also that the use of in house CNC machines and top grade materials allow them precision generally not found in routine production items like this. Their engineering and materials match that as close inspection shows. Check out the engraving on the end sometime. Neat.

Anyway, perhaps there's a clue in the demise of the first one? I'm smelling something a bit further out in the system like battery condition???

TIA

OF

 

[NewVape]

Yes, that's right charger wise (I think). I assume yours isn't doing that (stays green, doesn't seem to charge?). Is the voltage switch on the right on the correct voltage?

OF

You have the right of it with the batteries & charger. The right side of my charger stays green no matter what. The left side appears to be working. Then there is the batteries one of them seems to not charge. When placed in the charger the light stays green no matter which side, but it does not power my Alpha.

*Sigh*

I've been emailing TV so we'll see what happens.

 

[OF]

All I'll say further is that the poor performance reported earlier with the Evo LV on an AW IMR 14500 is consistent with voltage drop associated with running a battery beyond its means. This will significantly reduce the battery's life and may contribute to a catastrophic failure.

Batteries have ratings for a reason and if you want good performance the numbers matter.

Hey, I hear what you're saying, I just don't agree. The performance is there. I have one right here. Have you tried it? They aren't the best set up for some uses, but it's small and does just fine for it's intended use.

If the issue is battery abuse, try MFLB. After that, this is a cake walk.

I'm not sure what 'large voltage drop' you're talking about, but in my tests that very unit had the least drop of the lot. Mind you that was system drop (as seen by the load).

You're welcome to base your purchases on what you want, and encourage others to do likewise. It just my considered opinion that this is not a valid reason to not take the unit on it's merits. There's a lot of happy owners of these out there. There's an old joke about the Doctor will tell you there's no nutritional value to Bourbon, but there's independent testers out there every day proving him wrong.

You have the right of it with the batteries & charger. The right side of my charger stays green no matter what. The left side appears to be working. Then there is the batteries one of them seems to not charge. When placed in the charger the light stays green no matter which side, but it does not power my Alpha.

OK, thanks for the additional info. Sounds like two problems, different solutions. Charger is bad since the 'good' battery will change on one side not the other. Almost surely contact related. Mine does this sometimes on one side since the sliding bit doesn't slide well. It doesn't make solid contact sometimes and I have to push it up to get the lights to change. I kinda like messing with it, really. And of course the wire to it can be broken. If it's not something easy and mechanical i'd opt for a replacement.

The dead battery is another matter. Often these guys are actually too discharged to 'trip' the charger. Funny as that sounds. A couple of guys have had this happen with various batteries but sometimes it can be recovered by leaving it in the charger (good side) for a while so it can 'trickle charge' up enough to trip the lights and go. I had such a balker a bit ago but not I think with that size.

Best of luck.

OF

 

[greenbean]

If the issue is battery abuse, try MFLB. After that, this is a cake walk.

That's the reason I don't own one. And part of the reason I really want an Evolution.

I'm not sure what 'large voltage drop' you're talking about, but in my tests that very unit had the least drop of the lot. Mind you that was system drop (as seen by the load).

Well I didn't say "large" but more voltage drop is expected at higher discharge rates. The battery will probably perform a little better once it warms up, but at 600 mAh you won't have much opportunity.

Running the Evo LV on an AW IMR 14500 is pushing the battery beyond its ratings. It's probably okay from a safety perspective since it's probably close to the engineered tolerances. Keep in mind that every battery will vary a little and some in-spec AW IMRs may simply not be able to keep up at all.

I haven't got an Evo yet as it came out right as I dropped the money for an expensive PV that won't drive it and I can't justify buying another quite yet. I actually have a 14500 mechanical mod but you already know my perspective on that.

 

[SnidelyWhiplash]

This is past strange. You've got two problems in a row in a product that most folks are finding good? What are those chances? What was wrong with the first one?

I agree, they seem to crank out good gear. IMO their business model is first rate, which can really help after you've paid the freight to get it going. However, as a beta tester on this very product I can assure you you're dead wrong WRT bypassing testing. I can give my opinion also that the use of in house CNC machines and top grade materials allow them precision generally not found in routine production items like this. Their engineering and materials match that as close inspection shows. Check out the engraving on the end sometime. Neat.

Anyway, perhaps there's a clue in the demise of the first one? I'm smelling something a bit further out in the system like battery condition???

TIA

OF

The Rev - it was like the first hits were unreal, and after my first cleaning it never hit well again. After a extremely thorough cleaning (and I was hitting top level amber glass bho) it would hit decent for a day then suck again. When I got the new one, it hit like a monster from the start and never stopped (like others testify). The old still hits decent with the first draw off of a fresh battery... but then is poor fast.

I have 6 extra batteries... no difference. I just tried the Evo again. Same boring performance but I am high as fuck... So it does the job but nothing like that video. I did notice that the handle is super hot and so were the batteries when I was done. You don't think my batteries could be discharging faster then they are supposed to for some reason? Ive never cleaned the base...

 

[OF]

That's the reason I don't own one. And part of the reason I really want an Evolution.

Well I didn't say "large" but more voltage drop is expected at higher discharge rates. The battery will probably perform a little better once it warms up, but at 600 mAh you won't have much opportunity.

Running the Evo LV on an AW IMR 14500 is pushing the battery beyond its ratings. It's probably okay from a safety perspective since it's probably close to the engineered tolerances. Keep in mind that every battery will vary a little and some in-spec AW IMRs may simply not be able to keep up at all.

I haven't got an Evo yet as it came out right as I dropped the money for an expensive PV that won't drive it and I can't justify buying another quite yet. I actually have a 14500 mechanical mod but you already know my perspective on that.

Thanks for the additional information. It does not change my observation that it works well. You mention safety, I assume you don't see any safety issues? Aside from arrest, or going broke buying herb to feed it, I'd be hard pressed for a down side there.

Too bad you eliminated MFLB from consideration on perceived battery issues, there's many thousands of owners out there who aren't likely to agree. Nobody likes replacing a battery after a year of steady use, but most folks consider it reasonable.

I hope things work out for you and you get one of your own soon. No matter which battery (if recommended by TV) you get I bet you're happy with it.

The Rev - it was like the first hits were unreal, and after my first cleaning it never hit well again. After a extremely thorough cleaning (and I was hitting top level amber glass bho) it would hit decent for a day then suck again. When I got the new one, it hit like a monster from the start and never stopped (like others testify). The old still hits decent with the first draw off of a fresh battery... but then is poor fast.

I have 6 extra batteries... no difference. I just tried the Evo again. Same boring performance but I am high as fuck... So it does the job but nothing like that video. I did notice that the handle is super hot and so were the batteries when I was done. You don't think my batteries could be discharging faster then they are supposed to for some reason? Ive never cleaned the base...

Wow. Stuff seems to happen to you around cleanings?? I fouled one out once on some nasty ISO oil and it wouldn't clean up or play well. I finally gave it several 3 minute rides in the ultrasonic sink and all was forgiven. I figured I got some wax or other heavy junk in there below the plate and it never got washed out. If you don't have an ultrasonic available, how about an overnight soak in the strongest ISO you have? Can't hurt, might help......

Here's an old thought: If you're getting loaded, so what if you don't look good doing it? I think too many guys think big clouds are real and mean something special. Depending on light and other conditions I can blow lovely clouds that do very little or nearly invisible ones that make your head swim.

OF

 

[jambandphan03]

'tis true. jam was clear when she originally brought it up and considering it they have been marketing
towards universal use w/ other battery setups they should have warned against some use as they did w/ the persei high voltage setup and their HV Dart and Rev. EGO is probably the most common 510 thread battery style out there. jam only brought up this in that context and because someone else asked if it was safe.

one of the few people here that didn't call me dude haha

Now that we have come this far in realizing the battery needs of the Evo, I am so glad I decided to order that kit. Looks like both the kit and the extra batteries I found will both be here either tomorrow or Fri.

 

[greenbean]

Thanks for the additional information. It does not change my observation that it works well. You mention safety, I assume you don't see any safety issues?

Just the normal ones associated with using rechargeable batts at their limits. I wouldn't worry about the battery venting but it IS a possibility. LiMn is safer than LiCo in this respect but not immune from catastrophic failure.

As for the MFLB, it mostly came down to the fact that I don't want to own the 50 rechargables I'd need to stay satisfied (lol). Definitely some concern about the high discharge rate, but I'm a risk-taker when it comes down to it.

On this issue, my experience with e-cigs is that while you can overdrive a battery you'll be a lot happier if you don't.

 

[jambandphan03]

just had a random thought... a way to turn the white cap black... heat shrink tubing? would that work or is that stuff too toxic? Only used on the outside of course...

 

[OF]

On this issue, my experience with e-cigs is that while you can overdrive a battery you'll be a lot happier if you don't.

Ah, so! If this is based on e-cig experience, now it makes sense. No doubt about it those guys can be pure junk sometimes. Their batteries the cheapest POS that will store electrons. Some are, of course, better than others. Not so IMR chemistry batteries in general. They are safe enough to not need protection. And the AW version (the factory battery) is the best of the lot (which is why THC uses 'em too....).

You'll like yours when you get it, don't worry.

just had a random thought... a way to turn the white cap black... heat shrink tubing? would that work or is that stuff too toxic?

There are several types, at least a few of them approve for food processing equipment. I've got some somewhere. Not sure about the common type, I don't know why it would be an issue but I doubt there's a lot of testing going on in this area.

I guess I never gave the cap color much thought before....

OF

 

[2clicker]

regarding the o-rings... anyone know the size specifically? or dash #?

here is a good place to get them
http://www.mcmaster.com/#o-rings/=h9kevv

 

[t-dub]

just had a random thought... a way to turn the white cap black... heat shrink tubing? would that work or is that stuff too toxic? Only used on the outside of course...

In all seriousness couldn't you just "dye" it? With a sharpie maybe?