Discontinued The Timber Elite by Vapwood

[HerbieVonVapster]

The temp protect issue has not gone. The temp protect message is intermitant. Session 3. I tried in TC mode using profilles warm and cool. I could not get them to work in with 0.32 omhs because of temp protect. Lowered to 0.30 worked, but vapor really harsh. Had a coughing fit. Eventually got it too work in 0.32 - scrotched herb and harsh vapor.

I still think something is wrong.

The temp protect issue has not gone. The temp protect message is intermitant. Session 3. I tried in TC mode using profilles warm and cool. I could not get them to work in with 0.32 omhs because of temp protect. Lowered to 0.30 worked, but vapor really harsh. Had a coughing fit. Eventually got it too work in 0.32 - scrotched herb and harsh vapor.

I still think something is wrong.

When it hits temp protection is it throttling down or cutting power? Are you seeing this is wattage or TC Mode.

Sounds like your is due to forcing the cold OHM outside correct value where it's unable to read resistance correctly. Adjusting cold OHM can work but also leads to other problems like this.
I recommend using the correct cold OHM and if temperatures are not correct use material file to adjust them.

If you really feel you must adjust the the cold OHM I wouldn't go more than .05 either direction. Even a small .05 could change temperature by 50 degrees. What i feel is happening is your adjusting the cold OHM to far off from correct amount for coil. The chips not able to read resistance so it not firing and displaying the warning. When you look at the puff graph what is it happening when it displays the warning?

There is a room temperature and board temperature under info on the Elite. When there both at correct room temp is when I would remeasure coil. You could also hook up to escribe and use the atomizer analyzer or remeasure on device.

Sounds like yours is closer to .27 set there unlocked. If too cold use elite hot if cold use warm or cold.
These are roughly 90tcr 100tcr and 109TCR if that helps.



I think Mike set it up as default should restore his stock setting. Check the Atomizer analyzer inside ascribe for correct cold OHM.

Glad was only the battery and rest sound like software related.

 

[muunch]

P.S. Maybe i spoke to soon regarding temp protect. I am still getting the odd message at 0.32 using material profile warm. But way better than before, has only happened once or twice.

Drop your ohms man.

I was running into the same issue on the first night in TC mode.

Wait until the unit is cold, then "resample" the ohms. That should get it to a point where the "temp protect" will not be an issue. Either that, or manually drop the ohms. I would start by dropping it around 0.030 ohms. That is where I started.

I also suggest messing with the coil material.

 

[P.A.M.]

Congratulations on that looker of an Elite @Alex3oe , same to you @szano if I missed you .

No stir ! Because it's 2019 , right @muunch ? Elite is awesome !

So I came up with early version of the MVP (muunch , herbieVon ,Pam combo) I dialed down ohm to .316 from .320 and dialed down preset TC wattage to 40w from 45.

I turned the ohm down lower to .310 but found I had lost a lot of the power/humph that I had at .320 hence needing to take longer then needed draws for Elites capabilites and to my liking. I do like the response a lot at .320 but did find it to hotspot a little. Nothing out of hand really, especially when stirring every few hits , it evens out, but I can understand @muunch having stepped it down to avoid hot spotting for his "no stirring" needs. Nice cool long hits can be fun too , no doubt.

So I played with ohms a little bit , found .316 to keep the same humph but control the hotspotting a little better. Cloud production had seemed to lower so I tired lowering watt to 42.5 and then 40 which ramped up clouds big time while keeping load fresh . It gives me the same feeling/experience I did at .320/45 , yet I'm at .316/40.

Minimal difference perhaps but I was able to achieve the abv in photo above on Elite Med in 12-15 draws(didn't count) , starting at 350F, jumping to 375F and ending at 400F.. no stir !

 

[HerbieVonVapster]

I turned the ohm down lower to .310 but found I had lost a lot of the power/humph that I had at .320 hence needing to take longer then needed draws for Elites capabilites and to my liking. I do like the response a lot at .320 but did find it to hotspot a little

Seems like people want to experiment with adjusting the cold OHM. If you feel you want to do it this method please keep in mind it doesn't take much change to effect out come. .01 can amount to a 7-10 degrees of difference in temperature. Too far can drop you into protection mode.

I don't think it damage anything and want see people experiment and share there experience. I'm going follow along see how it works out. This isn't the method I use so going look into pro and cons and others experiences using this method.

I'll try run some test later in device manager using this method. Want see if it effects any thing performance wise. I do have a couple of concerns on this..but want do some testing before I comment on them.

EDIT Did couple of test and I know method I'll stick with.

Here is mine with correct cold OHMS .356

Here is same test with cold OHMS set .399 any higher and mine triggered temp protection
I ran twice since was such a differance than correct cold OHMs graph.

Yeah this is what I was concerned with when cold OHM are adjusted in this method it messes up the performance. This was adjusting mine from .356 to .399 cold ohm.

 

[oddjobold]

Thanks all for the input. It was .32 when i unpacked it. Thats why i thought that was the resistance i should be using.

So i should resample and use 0.27? I did use 0.27 briefly and that also seemed harsh. I did not get along with the iheat for the same reason - scratchy vapor, somehow thought this would be differnt.

Power wattage mode worked without the message, but i got the message in wattage boost.

After all this tinkering i really dont think this is the vape for me. I think i am looking to return it.

 

[P.A.M.]

. I did not get along with the iheat for the same reason - scratchy vapor, somehow thought this would be differnt

That's interesting, I wonder if Herbie or others share that thought of a "scratchy" vapor, and if so, why would be prone to those two devices.. hmmm. Scratchy usually as to do with the temperatures of a roast, it was my assumption or experience anyways.

After alll this tinkering i really dont think this is the vape for me. I think i am looking to return it.

Well I think it's probably best for you , Mike . And everyone . That said not sure if Mike accepts returns based on tinkering , liking a device or not or buyers remorse but surely he'd grant a return rather then have a unhappy customer. after all, i believe is mission is to make people happy

 

[HerbieVonVapster]

Thanks all for the input. It was .32 when i unpacked it. Thats why i thought that was the resistance i should be using.

So i should resample and use 0.27? I did use 0.27 briefly and that also seemed harsh. I did not get along with the iheat for the same reason - scratchy vapor, somehow thought this would be differnt.

Power wattage mode worked without the message, but i got the message in wattage boost.

After alll this tinkering i really dont think this is the vape for me. I think i am looking to return it.

Sorry your having some issues. I'll take blame here since I misunderstood Mike's post on the way he was adjusting cold ohm. I been trying to help correct this and supply the correct info on it.


My suggestion is to remeasure coil. If you still feel it's scratchy vapor might be the different vapor signature with iheat and elites. There more open due to less restriction of airflow compared to the splinter.

I never considered it scratchy. With iheat if you are use to a restricted device you can get some slight hot spots. It requires a little more user input since you need slow down inhale. The other end is you don't need to fight the restrictions either and can get intense hit in quicker time without having it.

Once you aware of difference you can start to tailor you hits in some interesting and I find awesome ways. They offers a additional level of vaping that a more restricted device isn't able to achieve.

The elite is more restricted than the iheat and I like the balance it offers better. If I wanted the similar experience as a splinter I can always restrict the draw with finer mesh screen etc. Personally I like the difference offered btw them.
Be kinda boring if everyone of these devices provided the exact same experience? I do lot of puff a day and fighting a restricted device get tiresome. With the Elite it's like I'm taking a normal breath in usage.

@oddjobold I hope you least try it after you remeasuring coil. I'm sure if still unhappy Mike will get you squared away. I really hope you least give it a fair shake with correct cold OHMs before calling it quits.

 

[muunch]

Yeah this is what I was concerned with when cold OHM are adjusted in this method it messes up the performance. This was adjusting mine from .356 to .399 cold ohm.

I was getting temp protection at stock .32 - initially why I dropped mine.

Lowering the ohms is going to reduce overall temps, of course jacking the ohms up is going to trigger temp protection because the units getting way too hot.

I dropped my cold ohms because it was too hot out of the box in TC mode. Clearly exemplified by the combustion, and temp protect msg I ran into on my first night.

 

[Alex3oe]

Had great results in watt and boost mode yesterday, but while vaping via a j-hook in TC mode at 195°, I got the "to hot" warning.

My Splinter Z + Paranormal combo works way better with @HerbieVonVapsters profiles after I run the Case Analyzer like Herbie suggested. Would this make sense with the Elite too?

 

[Bravesst]

Hey All,
My DD cold ohms is .2890 / that's a good starting point. I apologize for the apparent miscommunication between Herbie and I, my error. I should have sought clarification. As I mentioned to @HerbieVonVapster , we'll do another round of case thermal analyzer on this current batch (after assembly) to get things even tighter. I'm doing one right now only spare (walnut). This is the only test that is pain in the neck, takes some time. In the meantime, I advise everybody to a cold ohm test when cold, and start from there.

 

[HerbieVonVapster]

Had great results in watt and boost mode yesterday, but while vaping via a j-hook in TC mode at 195°, I got the "to hot" warning.

My Splinter Z + Paranormal combo works way better with @HerbieVonVapsters profiles after I run the Case Analyzer like Herbie suggested. Would this make sense with the Elite too?

Case thermal analyzer have already been run on Elites. If you look under info you will see the board temperature and room temperature. When units is cold the room temperature should match your current ambient temperature. Board temperature will be tad warmer due to heat from powering the chip.

The hot device is a DNA protection feature. It protects the chip from damage and shouldn't happen under normal use. What are the cold OHMs of your unit. If there set to high it could be related to why you got this warning.

My suggestion is to remeasure coil. Using the info screen do this when it cools down to room temperature.

 

[Easywider]

Yup, resample coil before using or when cold. Mine just arrived a few hours ago

This vape is just so sexy!

I'm home sick with a stomach bug today so I haven't been able to play much.
First thing I did was resampled and unlocked my my cold ohms .32 down to .29 ( resampled ) Loaded a stem got a great flavourful hit full of vapour @ 400, no preheat 7.6second draw.

Then I went and decorated some more

Can't wait till this bug passes so I can do some real testing.

 

[P.A.M.]

My cold ohm is .299 . I've been using TC out of the box at .320. Finding it a tiny bit hot , I turned it down, tried everywhere in between and finally set it to .316. It's still a bit hot but it's how I like it and it's still set to prevent any early hot spotting. Perfect for low to high temp steps or even riding a load on high temp from start to finish.

I've put in over 1000 puffs since receiving my Elite , (1 week tomorrow , lol) . I frequently do back to back to back sessions with it. I'm not easy on it . My board and Elite do get warm at times, understandably. I have not had any temp protection issues or warning whatsoever so far , knock on wood . I do have a board vent hole.

Will report more after some more playing !

Congratulations @Easywider ,wishfully your new little bud will help you curb that bug .

Vape on !
P.A.M.

 

[muunch]

I've never gotten "device too hot" - just temp protect on the first night.

No issues since. Decided to run escribe so I could maybe mess with the TCR #s... pretty happy with results. I'd only get those "spikes" you see when I tried to draw too fast. Clearly cooling the coil too much, requiring the spike in power to keep it at the same temps.

 

[HerbieVonVapster]

Looks good @muunch The temperature looks like nice and steady across the whole draw. Not seeing any big spikes in temperature. You might want try a couple more items checked in device monitor.
Try clicking power set, temperature set , temperature and temp peak. You can also can do a range temperature for close up view of the changes.

Handy tool to see how the changes you make effect things. Glad see you are putting it to use. Can really customize the experience using it. Play around with it and settings, escibe does a backup whenever you upload settings to device. If screw anything up just restore a earlier version.

Setting TCR little wonky in escribe. It displays the last value you entered and not what the material you click value is. It also starts at default value of .006 keep this in mind when using it.

The setting to make your own custom TCR is under material tab called actions.

 

[muunch]

It also starts at default value of .006 keep this in mind when using it.

I noticed that... I also noticed you said ELITE COOL = 90 TCR, ELITE WARM = 100 TCR, ELITE HOT = 109 TCR...

I assumed TCR90 would equate to .0009

So that was my starting point. I dropped it a little to .00086, and raised my ohms a bit closer to what they were stock (0.307 now)

I am pleased with my results, as watching the graph, I was able to learn was the optimal draw speed is, based on my settings. Going to help me squeeze as much battery life out of this thing as possible.

 

[Bravesst]

There is a lot going on here. I'm really happy you guys are sorting out some of this TC stuff. It's all about optimal performance. Just ran case thermal analyzer on a unit. Putting another through the test now. I'll compare these results for consistency and post. So many ways to optimize, I really want to explore the inner workings of this incredible device.

What I cannot do is physically test like I did with the last batch. You can vape too much, if starting with some really good product, with a state of the art extraction method that probably doesn't waste much, the results knocked me on my ass for a couple of days. I'll find a way to moderate, inhale less (what a waste).

 

[beyond6strings]

I'll find a way to moderate, inhale less (what a waste).

Or you could hire interns to take that onerous task off your shoulders.

 

[Bravesst]

My first case thermal analyzer test was definitely skewed, numbers way off. I think the stop and start, battery not dead enough, but the second one was pretty right on. I adjust the accepted the numbers, but they were slightly different than what I've been using. I need to drain some batteries down to 25% to do more testing. That can take all day on the Elite.

Once the batch is complete, i going to put each one, not just one per species, through the test. Gonna have to devote a few days to it. Right now, I'm too busy building both Elites and Classics.

The cover plate marriage to the unit is improving. The new cover plates have larger mounts to accept the pins (set screws) from the sides. The board actually floats in the space, only attached to the cover plate, not the unit. This is a major factor in keeping the board cool. The new methodology for pairing the cover plate to the unit is pretty time consuming, lots of hand fitting, but going really well. I am really not looking to pick up speed here. Good thing I'm making up time elsewhere, because this is where it comes together, and it needs to be just right. I think you'll like the look. I should have a few assembled by early next week - look for some cool pics.

I will assemble a few units to get started, but then I need to form coils, and ready the boards. I will then assemble in batches, maybe 10 at a time, of both Classic and Elite orders.

 

[HerbieVonVapster]

I am pleased with my results, as watching the graph, I was able to learn was the optimal draw speed is, based on my settings. Going to help me squeeze as much battery life out of this thing as possible.

Enjoying seeing people tailoring the experience to suit there needs. Lot of potential to set these up to get the most outa them for your needs.

What I cannot do is physically test like I did with the last batch. You can vape too much, if starting with some really good product, with a state of the art extraction method that probably doesn't waste much, the results knocked me on my ass for a couple of days. I'll find a way to moderate, inhale less (what a waste).

Some of the testing can be done using the device monitor puff setting. It auto fire device and can test basics functions without the need to draw on elite.

If set up correctly should look like this example. It's a 10 second fire with out drawing on Elite.

After that it's just setting up the Material file TCR value to zero it in with the temperature readout. This presents more of a issue since without testing equipment it's based on comparison with other devices. I set mine based on comparing it to the Mighty temperature.

Depending on what your reference is for 400 degrees it might be slightly different that mine or someone else. When adjusting the TCR we are just trying to get the temperature displayed to match the temperature of vapor that's produced.

If everything set up correct you can get same result with a SS316 material file and adjusting temperature higher and finding what you enjoy. The device will maintain same level of performance just display a higher temperature read out. The SS316 is based on temperature of the coil not the vapor temperature. By adjusting TCR we trying to get it more close to displaying the correct temperature of the vapor instead of the coils temperature.

All this is based on having the correct cold ohms of coil. When you start adjusting cold ohm as way to adjust temperature read out it can lead to other issue that are now popping up. DNA chip are based around the correct value of cold OHM being used. Even thou you can adjust the cold OHM it not the best method imho.
These chips do a lot of computing based on cold OHMS value being correct. When you manually adjust or lock OHM you not allowing it to function as designed. DNA chip are comparing room temperature board temperature and coil resistance values. It has a refinement feature that it use to produce more accurate TC over time.

Really not sure why anyone would want override this feature with a incorrect cold OHM value? Hopefully this helps explain my reasoning on why I'm suggesting we not use this method and stick with TCR.

 

[Bravesst]

@HerbieVonVapster well said...

 

[muunch]

Really not sure why anyone would want override this feature with a incorrect cold OHM value? Hopefully this helps explain my reasoning on why I'm suggesting we not use this method and stick with TCR.

I initially thought all cold ohms were supposed to stay at .320 - it was simple miscommunication

We are all good now. I think everyone would agree, sampling cold ohms at room temp and going from there is the best practice.

 

[Alex3oe]

Yes, after remeasuring and working with 0.297 now, the Elite is as great as expected.

 

[P.A.M.]

Really not sure why anyone would want override this feature with a incorrect cold OHM value? Hopefully this helps explain my reasoning on why I'm suggesting we not use this method and stick with TCR

I initially thought all cold ohms were supposed to stay at .320 - it was simple miscommunication

We are all good now. I think everyone would agree, sampling cold ohms at room temp and going from there is the best practice.

Lol same here , thought the same thing and Only turned down ohm to tone it down after seeing you do it. At least muunch & I were going in the right direction no @herbie?

I second , third or forth that starting from stock cold ohm is safe practice .

In my case . Even if the .320 it came preset to was higher then the stock cold
Ohm is, It was still very close to my personal preferences. I only tuned it down to .316 to prevent unwanted early hot spotting . I'd say it was set very closely to its full potential , vapor and experience wise .

I'm not too worried about using more battery life then required if I'm running at a hotter ohm or whatever else I might do . I'm getting quite a few sessions per batteries with my 1year old + cells, so I'm content with battery life and looking forward to receive my new 30Q's. Change it daily in the morning sorta thing and Vape on!

As for general performance, I'm still gettin 15+ puffs a session , short pulls, big clouds, no hot spotting , even roasting , no stirring ! Life is grand !

I did do a Live Instagram last night but ididn't post it . I was just testing out the Live feature of IG. I only have a few followers on there so I wasnt really expecting anybody to show up . @supershredderdan did a few mins , Long enough to see me eat raw abv (forgetting I was Live. ) Yes , I eat it raw right after the session, still warm no jars, no mess , no fuss.

My user name on IG is pamvapapor for anyone who wishes to tag along! I've never been active much on there but who knows, I might pop in for more live appearances from time to time .

 

[HerbieVonVapster]

Quick question I'm working on a custom battery file for the elite. Are you guys charging battery inside the elites or using a charger?