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Sapphire and Ruby inserts for bangers
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How? Where?
Have you looked at Adapt Tech's website? They make XL size versions that are taller than the standard regular. Did you look at Greek Glass Shop's specs?
18mm outer diameter
2mm thick wall
2mm thick bottom
14mm tall
22mm outer diameter
2mm thick wall
2mm thick bottom
14mm tall
superdang9000
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I tried the @Shooby method last night and it was every bit as awesome as I'd hoped. Seriously, it's one of those things that's so simple it makes you feel stupid for not thinking of it. 
Not only can I appreciate the beauty of my glass and insert again, I'm not trying to finesse the coil wire so it's out of my way. Now my dumbass is sitting here thinking about an etched banger, so maybe it's not all good. 
Picked up one of those coil holders from errlectric, came in like 2 days flat. My coil was already stretched a bit from using it with my GG bangers, so my 710coils banger was a perfect fit.
edit: @biohacker I'd be interested to hear your opinion, but it felt more like a torch hit to me. My IR gun needs a new battery again, so haven't tested to floor temp of my insert yet (anybody else have a problem with their gun draining batteries when not in use?)
Not only can I appreciate the beauty of my glass and insert again, I'm not trying to finesse the coil wire so it's out of my way. Now my dumbass is sitting here thinking about an etched banger, so maybe it's not all good. Picked up one of those coil holders from errlectric, came in like 2 days flat. My coil was already stretched a bit from using it with my GG bangers, so my 710coils banger was a perfect fit.
edit: @biohacker I'd be interested to hear your opinion, but it felt more like a torch hit to me. My IR gun needs a new battery again, so haven't tested to floor temp of my insert yet (anybody else have a problem with their gun draining batteries when not in use?)
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Justpassedu
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Ty for the specs , I am going to try and contact a Chinese supplier that has the ruby on hand and see what can be done at a reasonable price. Been in the talks with a few but they don’t want to go 25mm in fear it may be to big so possibly a 24mm. I’ll let everyone know the outcome . Also don’t wanna go American for the price factor . I also don’t want anything to tall as it can effect performance and be higher than the hole in the banger. I was gonna grab a gg 1, but they are to small for me as I like to keep my insert in my banger at all times bc I am using a enail for heat and want the insert to be somewhat close to the walls of the banger .How? Where?
Have you looked at Adapt Tech's website? They make XL size versions that are taller than the standard regular. Did you look at Greek Glass Shop's specs?
18mm outer diameter
2mm thick wall
2mm thick bottom
14mm tall
22mm outer diameter
2mm thick wall
2mm thick bottom
14mm tall
exmex
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Me too! Also gonna get a 710coil and banger with the 2.5mm walls to see if i can notice a difference in the extra wall space.
24mm is what we want anyways ... perfect fit for 710 coils 30mm 2.5mm walled bangers
I use my bangers/inserts same way as you.
Justpassedu
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And a height of 14mm should be good ? I don’t use the 710 banger , right now I’m using a inexpensive 30mm high5 coil/banger as it was a gift and has the wrap around coil with the pin that locks the coil to the bottom of the banger and I have a 30mm Greek glass in the draw if that ever breaks . I think the walls are around 2.5mm thickness anyway . I have not found the need to buy a pricey banger as I feel mine have been working nice and plus using a insert is what counts now since I’m not dabbing direct into the banger . I think ! Lol , Also JCat was wondering if you use pearls also I just started trying a few quartz and ruby out with spinning carb cap in the actual insert . I don’t take huge dabs , not sure if it’s doing much but it’s cool .24mm is what we want anyways ... perfect fit for 710 coils 30mm 2.5mm walled bangers
I use my bangers/inserts same way as you.
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tylerj55
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Personally if I was getting a custom insert made I would make it taller than 14mm. Maybe somewhere between 16-20mm. This would help keep any splashing oils inside of the insert, which also keeps the banger clean longer.
I doubt it will make too much of a difference, but I feel like it will definitely look better with less of a gap.
Justpassedu
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Problem is that not all bangers are sized equally and I fear it may be to high and go above the whole in the actual banger for some .
tylerj55
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What banger do you plan on using with this insert? If I was you I would probably try to get them custom made for 710coils bangers since they are high quality and super cheap, as well as deep. If you want a high end/brand name banger for the insert maybe look at Long Island Quartz or eternal quartz. Evan shore could also make a deep dish banger with no flare at the bottom I’m sure.
Justpassedu
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Lol I live on long island I know the spot you are talking about actually . Unfortunately I am trying to use it with what I have and that is a high5 quartz banger that was a gift , has a wrap around coil and is 30mm & a pin to hold the banger to the coil at the bottom , nothing special but I figure if I am using a insert a high quality banger doesn’t really matter , I also have a spair 30mm Greek glass I got with the concave top that fits nice just no pin on it to hold it to the coil . I am sure the 710’s are nice also but I was trying to find a happy medium so everyone can use it no matter the banger .
24mm is what we want anyways ... perfect fit for 710 coils 30mm 2.5mm walled bangers
2.5mm walls aren't a very "standard" size though. 3mm is considered "thick wall" these days, so just IMO I think 23mm would be the "ideal" size. No disrespect to 710coils, I love mine but still think 3mm walls are the way to go (with a deep bucket).
@Justpassedu do you have a manufacturer that will make the quantity you seek to buy? AFAIK, the minimum order is like 50 or maybe even 100 according to Greek. Also, what about the quality? I think Greek's "rejects" ended up on Dhgate for dirt.
Justpassedu
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I’m using a enail so I thick thickness of my banger doesn’t really matter right ? My first banger ever was really thick like 5mm but I used a torch . Now the one I am using is pretty thin prob 2-3mm . I’m not looking to sell these or open up a shop just chatting with a sellers of glass that can make them than supply the quantities to distributors or whoever may want them . Heck they may even sell them on there own. I know I at least want 1 or 2 to test out & I’ll be sure to pass along the info to everyone if I get this done . If anyone succeeds before me please lmk .
It does IMO. I still haven't been able to get the walls and floor the same temp with my torch, but i'm using a 710coils where the walls are exactly 1/2 the size of the puck. I had a shitty experience with a coil/e-nail, and didn't have my IR at the time, which is why I was asking if someone with an IR (@JCat ?) could check the floor/walls with the axial coil.
Really, they will custom make you a ruby insert without having to buy a lot?
As far as I can tell, the floor/wall temp are the same on the insert; if anything the walls can lose temp faster as they don't recover the heat from the bottom as they have no contact on the walls; as well the coil doesn't make contact on the walls of my banger really ... I think this is actually ideal, as the bulk of the heat loss occurs through the base, where you have contact, so this is where the coil re-injects heat as well, so you don't end up overheating your walls to get the base temp you want.
I think the problem with the bigger gap with an insert would be two-fold:
1) Greater heat loss due to ambient air temperature
2) More mess and harder to clean (@biohacker has indicated that without a great hit he gets more mess, and I would expect with it being looser q-tipping while hot in the banger would be much more difficult and would bang the insert around quite a bit more.
Justpassedu
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I hope so I’m trying , let ya know the outcome .
Just broke my 710coils banger! Accidentally had my phone charge cable snag under the neck and that was that, it met its fate on the granite counter! 
So now i'm debating replacing them with 30mm's from the Gate, since i'm too curious about the 22mm ruby surface area. I don't think it will be a massive difference vs my 19mm, but still enough to prevent sidewall creeping.
Greek is out of 14mm 90degree 3mm thick 30mm's.... still a bit concerned that the buckets won't be deep enough to utilize a bubble cap properly.
Accidentally had my phone charge cable snag under the neck and that was that, it met its fate on the granite counter! So now i'm debating replacing them with 30mm's from the Gate, since i'm too curious about the 22mm ruby surface area. I don't think it will be a massive difference vs my 19mm, but still enough to prevent sidewall creeping.
Greek is out of 14mm 90degree 3mm thick 30mm's.... still a bit concerned that the buckets won't be deep enough to utilize a bubble cap properly.
jamesvally
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Well thanks guys all this talking over surface area!! Because I now have a 19mm, and 22mm ruby insert ordered. But also one of the new 30mm sapphire dishes from NV, for a 35mm banger I ordered. All because
Where'd you find the 19? On dhgate?
I do find it helps make sure everything spreads better ... I feel it helps get a little bit more out of your dab. I'm using 1x5mm and 1x3mm (these ones are tiny but I feel it helps deflect the 5mm into the center sometimes ... otherwise my 5mm pearl just stays on the edge)
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Justpassedu
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forgot to ask you guys what you think a fair price is for a 24mm Ruby insert made in China ? I had messaged a few manufactures and the 1 that was going to make it agreed upon $60-70 but now has come back to me with a price over $100 so I am not sure if someone can chime in with some advice on what may be fair ? Also what is the difference between Ruby from America and China or is the same material ?
See my concern is what type of guarantee on polish etc are they going to give you? I sure wouldn't want one that doesn't have an excellent polish or cleaning would be a bitch ...
Would I be ok paying $100 for a 24mm that's perfect? Definitely ... however, with an unknown manufacturer from China ... hmmm ...
Justpassedu
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I hear ya man , I will try and make sure the polish is on point b4 hand of course , but I can only use my eyes until it arrives. Also I did not just message a few unknowns but more so people that have a decent rep with the community and once I finalize this I will be happy to give up names and info. I just don't wanna start throwing peoples names out until I at least get something in the works & finalized. Lets hope for the best. I'm trying , I think I did see recently but cannot find it again either a sapphire or sic insert being made for a decent price that will fit a 30mm banger. I just cant seem to find it again.
tylerj55
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And you also have to worry about the walls and base being uneven. This, along with heating your nail in one space, is the biggest reason ruby inserts crack while being heated up. This is how my insert is from the first round of GG rubies, and it cracked soon after my first use, if not my first use.
Justpassedu
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Ty I will write this all to whoever agrees to make them . I didn’t even think of that , appreciate it. Thought it would be known but good to include . I been pretty rough with my cheap dhgate opaque bottom insert and it hasn’t cracked yet . I also don’t think it’s completely Even but it does the job pretty well .i got a 28mm to try recently but it won’t fit my 35mm banger .
tylerj55
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No problem! Ruby is so much more sensitive to hotspots than quartz, so it makes sense your quartz is still fine after abusing it. It would be nice if they didn’t need to be told that it must be even, but if GG had an issue I’m sure there will be issues if it is not mentioned. The polish being super well done isn’t important per se, but I find that they need to be heat cleaned a lot less frequently if it is well done.