Dynavap VapCap

[mucsusn]

Attention Dynavap torch shoppers:
I bought their triple torch and assumed it would ship without butane so used a shitty Bic yesterday. Today, I took the torch out of its ' slick holster and voila---it is does have butane.
So, I'll get to try a real test of the M today.

The instructions don't seem to deal with the condenser O rings. Are there different positions for changing the airflow?? I'd like to maximize vapor airflow as the M is slightly restrictive now. What positions do what to the airflow?

thanks

If you're just starting out with a VC, leave the condenser o-rings alone. If you peek under the hood, you'll see that the condenser has little crimped or machined grooves for the rings. They indicate proper position and hep to held them in place. You will also see that the oring at the mouthpiece end is slight larger. Maintain that relationship. When learning the VC, concentrate on respecting the click while playing around with torch position. Try lung draws or cigar puffs, they both work with different results for different users. As far as the carb, think about the physics that are going on here.....with the condenser orings in place, the carb serve to give you a free airpath to blend cool air with the vapor coming off of the tip. Again, YMMV, as draw speed will change these relationships.......For me, I heat, start out with carb covered, then feather lighty while sensing taste/temp/etc. And I almost always do deep lung draws, with one hit equalling one cool down click.

Whatever your wont, be consistent so that you can register the impressions. The dilemna here is trying to be consistent while you are consistently ripped. Onward in the name of science!

 

[Winegums]

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Yes, I'm looking for max vapor airflow when carb is closed.
What does moving the O-ring on the condenser (now positioned halfway to the carb hole) accomplish, anything?

I edited my post to add info about a video I just found where his M has two positions for condenser O-rings and my new M only has one position. ??? Is latest version even adjustable??

The M lacks any adjustments that a user can make, it's a One trick pony, Jack of all trades, etc, you get the idea. The CCD in the tip has one setting and there is no third X-ring groove on the condenser tube. The main reason for the additional X-ring is to allow for spinning mouth pieces and the ability to block off the carb hole. The model that you saw reviewed was obviously not from the production run, and should have been noted as a pre-pro model by my thinking.

 

[vapeanderson]

Hi all, this is my first foray into vaporizers, and I'd like to purchase the M. Regarding extra O rings for the M, do I need the SS Condenser O-ring Kit or the High-temp Titanium Tip O-ring Kit?

 

[ClearBlueLou]

Hi all, this is my first foray into vaporizers, and I'd like to purchase the M. Regarding extra O rings for the M, do I need the SS Condenser O-ring Kit or the High-temp Titanium Tip O-ring Kit?

First off, welcome to our happy band! The M is a fine little machine - good choice!

Noting that the DynaVaps come complete, and that we're talking about maintenance & repair here, yes, the SS condenser rings go with the SS condenser inside the M; the high-temp o-rings go with the tips, Ti & M (until we hear otherwise ) - that means you'll want backups of each - get a pack of replacement screens, too.

The Dynavap shop (under 'Accessories') offers George's choices for the specific purpose & I trust him on it, but even if you get a different one, don't cut corners on your torch!

 

[Armerad]

Any input on the triple vs quad torches available from DynaVap? I see that the triple one is listed as "the most efficient" in it's description, whereas the quad torch is listed as "a fast, efficient, and effective way".

 

[cybrguy]

What does moving the O-ring on the condenser (now positioned halfway to the carb hole) accomplish, anything?

Permanently closes the carb so you don't need to hold it.

 

[baxter]

Any input on the triple vs quad torches available from DynaVap? I see that the triple one is listed as "the most efficient" in it's description, whereas the quad torch is listed as "a fast, efficient, and effective way".

I have the 3 flame and it just about covers the entire cap vertically. Not sure how much extra benefit a 4 flame would accomplish.

But I can think of 2 negatives:

1) The 4 flame will waste more butane and require refills sooner.
2) The 4 flame may heat the cap too quickly and result in waste by creating a less efficient yield from the weed.

But if you enjoy MASSIVE CLOUDS (taking MONSTER HITS) and are in the habit of cashing out your chamber in 2-3 clicks than maybe then the 4 flame will be a good choice.

Me personally, I am getting 7-8 clicks per chamber with the 3 flame and stopping the flame immediately when I hear the click. I have never "disrespected the click" and its only my 3rd or 4th day with the dynavap

When you clean the resin out of the Dynavap is it better to stick it back in the chamber and smoke it or is it better to stick it in your ABV jar to be used for cooking in the future?

Which is the more efficient use of the resin?

 

[Chose]

Ime after some advice
The summer is here and I want to vape in my back garden
I have a very nosey neighbour
One of those guys that goes to neighbour hood watch meets
You know the type ( twat)
So does the vapor linger -travel far - stink up the place
I think I allready know the answer but I would love to hear your true life expiriences on this matter
I just want to be free to do what I want to do
Thanks ps I'll be using an omni/woody

 

[baxter]

Ime after some advice
The summer is here and I want to vape in my back garden
I have a very nosey neighbour
One of those guys that goes to neighbour hood watch meets
You know the type ( twat)
So does the vapor linger -travel far - stink up the place
I think I allready know the answer but I would love to hear your true life expiriences on this matter
I just want to be free to do what I want to do
Thanks

Your neighbor will only get wise if he

1) Hears the torch clicking and the flame burning

or

2) Sees you in the act with his eye-balls.

There is almost no odor at all. I can vape in my bedroom and 5 minutes later there is no odor at all.

 

[VanCough]

From reading people's thought over the past few pages is it the general consensus that the steel M tip requires more heating to reach adequate temperature?

In which case a torch with more jets will provide better vapour; and not just a quicker heat up?

Just trying to figure out which torch to buy.

I wasn't planning on getting a triple if the only advantage was a quicker heat up at the expense of using a lot more butane, but it sounds like the M may benefit from one.

 

[jds]

How do you all carry your vapcaps around? Dynastash, other methods...?

 

[Squiby]

Hi all, this is my first foray into vaporizers, and I'd like to purchase the M. Regarding extra O rings for the M, do I need the SS Condenser O-ring Kit or the High-temp Titanium Tip O-ring Kit?

Both.
The SS Condenser O-ring Kit are "x" shaped orings that fit onto the M condenser and secures the condenser inside the stem.

The High-temp Titanium Tip O-ring Kit are the orings that fit around the neck of the tip, be it the stainless steel tip in the case of the M, or the titanium tips. These orings secure the tip to the stem.

For other bits and pieces you might want to have on hand, check out the Vapcap First Aid Post listed in my signature below.

So does the vapor linger -travel far - stink up the place
I think I allready know the answer but I would love to hear your true life expiriences on this matter
I just want to be free to do what I want to do

I agree with @baxter above.
I vape in the house. Sometimes with the stove fan on, sometimes with a window open and sometimes not. My next door neighbour knows that I partake regularly. She does not. She also drops by unexpected and will mention it if she smells anything. Most of the time she can't detect anything.

I vape several times a day every day.

From reading people's thought over the past few pages is it the general consensus that the steel M tip requires more heating to reach adequate temperature?

I've found the the M' s stainless steel tip requires about and extra second of heating with a quad lighter over heating a ti tip.

How do you all carry your vapcaps around? Dynastash, other methods...?

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/dynavap-vapcap.18853/page-526#post-1106000

 

[jedcaum]

Yes this talk does concern me. I am trying to get a load of friends to get their first vape, in the M. I thought it was the perfect plan. But with so,e reporting bad airflow, and others emphasising the longer heat up, and whispy vapor, I dont want to feek a fool and get my friends devices that will not be satisfactory enough for them to use as their primary method, and be abandoned, never to vape again.

I really dont know what to do now. We really need the community to come together on this, and consult George. It is important. We want Dynavap to take the world by storm.

Im just concerened that some fish may try the M, struggle with it, and be lost to combustion forever!

This is not meant to offend. I have read all 530 pages of this thread in the last few weeks, and you have a penchant for the dramatic, @Alexis.

You have nothing to fear if you are gifting the M. It works precisely like all the other vapcaps work, with a few very minor material-driven differences, SS v Ti. SS is a more effective heat sink, so it's going to behave a little differently getting up to and staying at temperature. That's all. There are no defects, no problems, no disappointments, whatever you are waiting to happen.

What you are seeing, again, are noobs to the device learning to dial it in, whose entry point was the M. They'll get it. Remember your breathless posts about yours, and your initial disappointment? Then your epiphany, and your love for the device? It's exactly like that. No need to worry or fuss, or bother the creator with a non-problem problem.

Consult George on what, exactly? He's producing a game-changing device, and many, many people, understand that from the get go. Others struggle and then figure it out, like yourself. Still others will never get it, and it would be foolish to build a company around getting them to try, as you'd be spending every minute of every day doing customer support for idiots and handling returns of non-defective items. No sir.

I ordered 2 Ms. They are different than the first gen Ti, and the second gen Omni that I already had, but the same. As I'm a grown person capable of figuring things out, I did so, and am happy with the performance on all of them now. How about we let George carry on, and only trouble him in the areas that aren't user error or ignorance?

 

[MinnBobber]

So far, a challenging day with the new M as I'm having some difficulty detecting the clicks....

I combusted a couple times while adjusting/trying to solve the "issues".
For other newbies, this might help you avoid my troubles, especially if you have hearing loss as my probs were certainly related to my hearing loss. I do wear some very good aids with high tech programs.

I thought the triple torch would be a great asset over the Bic but it makes so much noise that I overshot a couple times. Tried turning down the flame height but then the triple didn't want to easily ignite.
It was very very difficult to hear the click and I know it also has a small vibration BUT I was holding in 3 fingertips and right in front of my face and no clicky/no vibe/no good.
Went back to the Bic and could then faintly hear the click.

In tiled bathroom with hearing aids set to "Music" where they amp everything and let thru "harsh/metallic" spikes that "Normal" mellows out:
- turned up volume and triple torch sounded like a F-16 with afterburners cranked
- volume at normal and maybe 4 seconds of triple and heard the click. faintly

???
1. any techniques to maximize the click noise and vibration click as it's really tough to hear/feel/ things have to be just right
2. would a two jet lighter vs my triple have significantly less noise as my triple really seems louder than the M click?
3. does an approx count of 4 seconds with triple and rotating tip seem about right? I only rotate thru a 90 degree arc each way (approx) so as to not spin over to the "clip" side of the tip. Is that ok technique?

Thanks

EDIT: not trying to bitch about the M. I think it will be great when I get technique dialed in for my special needs/ adjust my method.
On one trial where I did just count off a long 3 or 4 and dive in, I took a couple cigar/ mouthfull draws and inhales and exhaled a big cloud from a tiny tiny load, so that was impressive.

 

[invertedisdead]

Ime after some advice
The summer is here and I want to vape in my back garden
I have a very nosey neighbour
One of those guys that goes to neighbour hood watch meets
You know the type ( twat)
So does the vapor linger -travel far - stink up the place
I think I allready know the answer but I would love to hear your true life expiriences on this matter
I just want to be free to do what I want to do
Thanks ps I'll be using an omni/woody

I use mine on my apartment balcony, I don't think anything of it. I love sitting outside and using my Vapcap.

 

[jedcaum]

@MinnBobber , I think if you just keep practicing you'll get to where you can better feel - anticipate the click. It is there, and tactile enough that your fingertips will pick it up once they are accustomed to it.

Others have reported that resting it on a certain Pyramid torch (one specific for cigars with a cutout for lighting them) while heathing helps to amplify the click. I would imagine the same would be true if you put a magnet on an Altoids can or something - I know that will amplify the cool down click, as it does on the stash, too.

 

[Krazy]

Thanks, I just ordered 2 of those lighters

 

[YungLeaner]

This is not meant to offend. I have read all 530 pages of this thread in the last few weeks, and you have a penchant for the dramatic, @Alexis.

You have nothing to fear if you are gifting the M. It works precisely like all the other vapcaps work, with a few very minor material-driven differences, SS v Ti. SS is a more effective heat sink, so it's going to behave a little differently getting up to and staying at temperature. That's all. There are no defects, no problems, no disappointments, whatever you are waiting to happen.

What you are seeing, again, are noobs to the device learning to dial it in, whose entry point was the M. They'll get it. Remember your breathless posts about yours, and your initial disappointment? Then your epiphany, and your love for the device? It's exactly like that. No need to worry or fuss, or bother the creator with a non-problem problem.

Consult George on what, exactly? He's producing a game-changing device, and many, many people, understand that from the get go. Others struggle and then figure it out, like yourself. Still others will never get it, and it would be foolish to build a company around getting them to try, as you'd be spending every minute of every day doing customer support for idiots and handling returns of non-defective items. No sir.

I ordered 2 Ms. They are different than the first gen Ti, and the second gen Omni that I already had, but the same. As I'm a grown person capable of figuring things out, I did so, and am happy with the performance on all of them now. How about we let George carry on, and only trouble him in the areas that aren't user error or ignorance?

Another data point--

The M is literally PERFECT...an essentially unbreakable vapor powerhouse.

Those with trouble getting big hits should try a piece of silicon and a 14mm female water pipe. One heating until click + 2 seconds of extra heat all around the cap, carb and pull through pipe...literally looks like someone pouring 2% milk into my rig.

It works way, way better than my OG VC. Maybe people need to use single flame torches, I use a mini single flame and I've never desired using anything else

 

[CarolKing]

To hear the click the TV needs to be turned down and the dishwasher not running. No loud background noises for me to hear the click. It does have a bit of a learning curve. I can see how this unit could help someone cut combustion out of their lives. The lighter would be an attraction similar to the ritual of the smoking routine.

So far, for me I like it best using it with my Woodscents, a very nice pairing. Some face melt sessions when using the carb hole.

Edit
@Alegre Yes the Woodscents is a log. I am using the shaft of the M and the ti tip from my Woodscents stem together it makes a wonderful mouthpiece. I don't need to use a lighter because the Woodscents is my heat source.

 

[Alegre]

To hear the click the TV needs to be turned down and the dishwasher not running. No loud background noises for me to hear the click. It does have a bit of a learning curve. I can see how this unit could help someone cut combustion out of their lives. The lighter would be an attraction similar to the ritual of the smoking routine.

So far, for me I like it best using it with my Woodscents, a very nice pairing. Some face melt sessions when using the carb hole.

Hi Carol!

Isn't the Woodscent a log? How do you use it with the vapcap?

 

[Dynalowrider]

I have severe tinnitus and I know what you are going through. Chasing the elusive click. I am somewhat of an experimenter, trying to improve.
I found the Vector KGM Pyramid lighter to help in amplifying the click. I even went so far as to using a small cow bell to hear the click. It didn't work. The cap was like an icecube by the time I got it out of the damn bell. After a while you get to know when it's going to click.
Believe me the Pyramid works better for heating clicks.
The cool-clicks are a different story.
I retired from the heat-sink industry, (for computer chips,) and I know how to remove the heat from something.
I use a Dynavap magnet. I Know you can get neo magnets at the local hardware. The polarity is not the same so the cap sits kinda half-ass on the mag. Place it on top of an Altoids Smalls tin, flavor of your choice. Replace the mints with coins for weight.
On completion of a rip, place cap on magnet. The tin sinks the heat out of the cap, (remember the clicker is in the part that is sitting on the magnet,) not so much out of the tip, (ss or ti,). Click. Ready to reheat, (tip still holding some heat). (Butane savings right there.) Reheat slightly to the heat click. Click.
The small tin has a different tone than the full size tin, that helps me hear it. Although the full size is kinda stealthy to pack parts and pieces.
I also put screens, (11mm) in the cap to keep herb off the clicker discs in the cap. With the smalls tins I now hear both clicks, (yes there are two, (2) clicks.) The second click sounds to me like a thump almost.
Use the search feature of the forum to find the details. Doc

 

[YungLeaner]

I have severe tinnitus and I know what you are going through. Chasing the elusive click. I am somewhat of an experimenter, trying to improve.
I found the Vector KGM Pyramid lighter to help in amplifying the click. I even went so far as to using a small cow bell to hear the click. It didn't work. The cap was like an icecube by the time I got it out of the damn bell. After a while you get to know when it's going to click.
Believe me the Pyramid works better for heating clicks.
The cool-clicks are a different story.
I retired from the heat-sink industry, (for computer chips,) and I know how to remove the heat from something.
I use a Dynavap magnet. I Know you can get neo magnets at the local hardware. The polarity is not the same so the cap sits kinda half-ass on the mag. Place it on top of an Altoids Smalls tin, flavor of your choice. Replace the mints with coins for weight.
On completion of a rip, place cap on magnet. The tin sinks the heat out of the cap, (remember the clicker is in the part that is sitting on the magnet,) not so much out of the tip, (ss or ti,). Click. Ready to reheat, (tip still holding some heat). (Butane savings right there.) Reheat slightly to the heat click. Click.
The small tin has a different tone than the full size tin, that helps me hear it. Although the full size is kinda stealthy to pack parts and pieces.
I also put screens, (11mm) in the cap to keep herb off the clicker discs in the cap. With the smalls tins I now hear both clicks, (yes there are two, (2) clicks.) The second click sounds to me like a thump almost.
Use the search feature of the forum to find the details. Doc

All of this is good advice.

I'm a pretty simple guy, and IME I don't need to hear the click at all if I am near a fan or Air conditioning. Simply position the cap to be cooled by the incoming airflow. Should take about 2 seconds .

When the cap is cool to the touch, it's clicked, 100% of the time. If it's still warm then give it another sec

 

[ClearBlueLou]

So far, a challenging day with the new M as I'm having some difficulty detecting the clicks....

I combusted a couple times while adjusting/trying to solve the "issues".
For other newbies, this might help you avoid my troubles, especially if you have hearing loss as my probs were certainly related to my hearing loss. I do wear some very good aids with high tech programs.

I thought the triple torch would be a great asset over the Bic but it makes so much noise that I overshot a couple times. Tried turning down the flame height but then the triple didn't want to easily ignite.
It was very very difficult to hear the click and I know it also has a small vibration BUT I was holding in 3 fingertips and right in front of my face and no clicky/no vibe/no good.
Went back to the Bic and could then faintly hear the click.

In tiled bathroom with hearing aids set to "Music" where they amp everything and let thru "harsh/metallic" spikes that "Normal" mellows out:
- turned up volume and triple torch sounded like a F-16 with afterburners cranked
- volume at normal and maybe 4 seconds of triple and heard the click. faintly

???
1. any techniques to maximize the click noise and vibration click as it's really tough to hear/feel/ things have to be just right
2. would a two jet lighter vs my triple have significantly less noise as my triple really seems louder than the M click?
3. does an approx count of 4 seconds with triple and rotating tip seem about right? I only rotate thru a 90 degree arc each way (approx) so as to not spin over to the "clip" side of the tip. Is that ok technique?

Thanks

EDIT: not trying to bitch about the M. I think it will be great when I get technique dialed in for my special needs/ adjust my method.
On one trial where I did just count off a long 3 or 4 and dive in, I took a couple cigar/ mouthfull draws and inhales and exhaled a big cloud from a tiny tiny load, so that was impressive.

No, "an approx count of 4 seconds with triple" isn't even close, you need more like 20 - 30 sec; likewise, there's really no way a triple-jet torch could 'drown out' the click unless maybe it's a blow-torch; seems clear the reason you can't hear it is you haven't got it hot enough TO click.

If you count to 30 and no click, hit it anyway: it *does* happen that sometimes it won't click, but that's 1 time in 20?

In case it helps, there are (really (usually)) TWO clicks going up & going down - first a faintish tink, then a more substantial TOCK; the two clicks can be a few seconds apart.
===

Hey, Doc! Sticking the cap to the tin will amplify the cool-down click(s) but not the heat-up click(s), right? Or are you heating your 'Cap while it's on the magnet?

 

[invertedisdead]

No, "an approx count of 4 seconds with triple" isn't even close, you need more like 20 - 30 sec; likewise, there's really no way a triple-jet torch could 'drown out' the click unless maybe it's a blow-torch; seems clear the reason you can't hear it is you haven't got it hot enough TO click.

If you count to 30 and no click, hit it anyway: it *does* happen that sometimes it won't click, but that's 1 time in 20?

Just timed right at 10 seconds from cold with my triple jet and OG glass Vapcap. 5 on the next heat.

 

[ClearBlueLou]

I have severe tinnitus and I know what you are going through. Chasing the elusive click. I am somewhat of an experimenter, trying to improve.
I found the Vector KGM Pyramid lighter to help in amplifying the click. I even went so far as to using a small cow bell to hear the click. It didn't work. The cap was like an icecube by the time I got it out of the damn bell. After a while you get to know when it's going to click.
Believe me the Pyramid works better for heating clicks.
The cool-clicks are a different story.
I retired from the heat-sink industry, (for computer chips,) and I know how to remove the heat from something.
I use a Dynavap magnet. I Know you can get neo magnets at the local hardware. The polarity is not the same so the cap sits kinda half-ass on the mag. Place it on top of an Altoids Smalls tin, flavor of your choice. Replace the mints with coins for weight.
On completion of a rip, place cap on magnet. The tin sinks the heat out of the cap, (remember the clicker is in the part that is sitting on the magnet,) not so much out of the tip, (ss or ti,). Click. Ready to reheat, (tip still holding some heat). (Butane savings right there.) Reheat slightly to the heat click. Click.
The small tin has a different tone than the full size tin, that helps me hear it. Although the full size is kinda stealthy to pack parts and pieces.
I also put screens, (11mm) in the cap to keep herb off the clicker discs in the cap. With the smalls tins I now hear both clicks, (yes there are two, (2) clicks.) The second click sounds to me like a thump almost.
Use the search feature of the forum to find the details. Doc

Just timed right at 10 seconds from cold with my triple jet and OG glass Vapcap. 5 on the next heat.

You make me extra-glad I have one of the Vertigo triple-inline torches arriving tomorrow: apparently, my torch has been playing me false... Then again, what I counted was not seconds but twirls of the 'Cap over the fire...
(rules of thumb - represent! )