Sorry... Just posted a new vid through glass @thekarmawhore picked up after the show last night. the 3D printed unit it just plain ole' nasty.
Discontinued Zion vaporizer
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Mister G
Deceptively Old Fart
MikeInMiami
Well-Known Member
I dream of running my Zion through my Rooster Apparatus....
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HD Springer
Well-Known Member
I dream of buying new glass to use with my new deamed of Zion.Fo' sho'
Is that the same size as the beta unit that sticks got ?
Yup same size. She's a bit of a brick
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
Hey, you should hear what she says about you...Yup same size. She's a bit of a brick
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
She's a brick.... Hooouse
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
So, what day is it? Why, IT'S SUNDAY!!! And what do we want? WE WANT @stickstones, damnit....
OK, I'm trying to be patient... tick... tick... tick...
stickstones
Vapor concierge
I'll post up something a little later. I have a conference call in a little bit with these guys and I want to do that first.
MikeInMiami
Well-Known Member
@stickstones take your time, I'd rather a thorough well thought-out, review then a quickly slapped together one. That being said, I CANT WAIT!!!
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
Take your time? TAKE YOUR TIME? MIIIIIKKE!
Ok, I guess I need to take a walk. Or something. Oh shit, it's raining...
There is always Sunday politics on TV. I could go watch that. Yeah, that's the ticket. Go watch politics. That should keep me calm.......................................
Ok, I guess I need to take a walk. Or something. Oh shit, it's raining...
There is always Sunday politics on TV. I could go watch that. Yeah, that's the ticket. Go watch politics. That should keep me calm.......................................
stickstones
Vapor concierge
I used to post reviews in bits as I went along, taking the reader along for the ride as I figured shit out. Now I take a little longer at first, and try not post about it just after using it. But at this point I can see great things, and things needing attention with the Zion.
MikeInMiami
Well-Known Member
@cybrguy lol I know I know, heresy!!! But instead of getting a quick 2 minute video which leaves more questions then answers ( it's gonna happen anyways lol ) I'd rather an exhaustive 10 minute video full of information, leaving no stick or stone unturned....see what I did there 
? @stickstones im very curious as to what you found that needs attention.
? @stickstones im very curious as to what you found that needs attention.
HD Springer
Well-Known Member
I'm patiently waiting? Take your time enjoy the process and give us the truth.I CAN handle the truth!I just dont know if I can take the suspense.
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
I hope it is apparent that I am mostly just messing with @stickstones (and you). I'm sure he will report to us when he has his thoughts together and that is just fine. I am merely pointing out my interest and, frankly, excitement to have a decent report from an "expert" that isn't part of the development, at least so far. And I am just kinda hanging around waiting for it. I wouldn't be shocked if it didn't come in till this evening, but earlier is of course better for me.
thekarmawhore
Well-Known Member
Weekend beta testing has uncovered a buckling problem that can affect the knees when using the Zion while standing.
The issue is often accompanied by a little vertigo and muffled eardrums. The workaround, until we can find a fix, is to sit before using the Zion.
your pal,
thekarmawhore
The issue is often accompanied by a little vertigo and muffled eardrums. The workaround, until we can find a fix, is to sit before using the Zion.
your pal,
thekarmawhore
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Oooh...bonus ringer.Weekend beta testing has uncovered a buckling problem that can affect the knees when using the Zion while standing.
The issue is often accompanied by a little vertigo and muffled eardrums. The workaround, until we can find a fix, is to sit before using the Zion.
your pal,
thekarmawhore
TheDudeNextDoor
Abiding
Weekend beta testing has uncovered a buckling problem that can affect the knees when using the Zion while standing.
The issue is often accompanied by a little vertigo and muffled eardrums. The workaround, until we can find a fix, is to sit before using the Zion.
your pal,
thekarmawhore
Any chance there's room somewhere on there to stow a foldaway chair?
So to prevent me from going insane from anxiety I decided to start work on a concentrate unit prototype today... Question. Does it need temperature control? Furthermore does it even need regulation? Can it drift from 800 to 600 F?
Why is it always features/cost/size trade-off? Why can't we just always have it all lol
Why is it always features/cost/size trade-off? Why can't we just always have it all lol
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
Depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If the Leidenfrost effect is your goal I would stick to at least 800 if not a little higher. This is what the VB2 does and combined with medical grade ceramic offers the most civilized dab I have ever had.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
Disclaimer #1 -- I am now a retailer instead of a moderator. I currently have no financial interest in the Zion. Should they allow me to sell it in the future, I would do so if I thought it were a good vape. I will do my best to keep my posts to factual statements. Take that into consideration as I share with you my beta testing opinions.
Disclaimer #2 -- To the best of my recollection, in the last two hours I have had one bowl of Sour Diesel in the Zion, two or three shots of tequila and three or four shots of SoCo. I weigh 230 pounds. Do the math and take that into consideration as I share with you my beta testing opinions.
I have run five bowls through the Zion since Friday night and can say that it heats up quickly (on par with the mflb) and hits hard at the highest temps. In terms of portable cloud production, it is right up there with the MiniVap (a properly functioning MiniVap) as one of the top two I have used. Those are breakthrough achievements in the portable department. The taste is good...not MiniVap good, but good. You won't be disappointed in the taste.
So far I have found three things I thought deserving of feedback:
1 -- improving the temperature control. The knob goes from approximately 8 to 4. But most of the temp control is between 12 and 2. We need to smooth out the response so that you can feel temp adjustments across the entire spectrum of 8 to 4.
2 -- throat irritation. At the higher temps I was getting some irritation that I usually associate with a vape that doesn't have an adequate air path after the bowl. See the MiniVap thread for an example. Through my bubbler I get no irritation, but through the supplied mouthpiece it is a little on the harsh side. This is not an issue at the lower to mid temps, just the highest temps.
3 -- Adhesives. The beta unit has adhesives in the air path that don't appear to be a concern based on other manufacturing uses, and it's not the only vape on the market with high temp adhesives in the air path (Herbalizer). But I know you guys, and this forum prefers air paths without adhesives, so we discussed alternatives.
There you have it....my impressions after five bowls. Do I think you are going to want this one? Yes. Is it ready for prime time today? No. But that's why we beta test shit. My unit is a very rough cut, which stokes me. It tells me that I have one in time to give feedback that actually makes a difference.
I hope this helps and stays neutral in your eyes. Fire away any questions you have. I am out for the night and very busy over the next three days, but will answer all I can. Give me any test ideas you have...this one is fun to test (I've tested some duds before that were a chore) and I will be going at it for a few weeks at least.
Disclaimer #2 -- To the best of my recollection, in the last two hours I have had one bowl of Sour Diesel in the Zion, two or three shots of tequila and three or four shots of SoCo. I weigh 230 pounds. Do the math and take that into consideration as I share with you my beta testing opinions.
I have run five bowls through the Zion since Friday night and can say that it heats up quickly (on par with the mflb) and hits hard at the highest temps. In terms of portable cloud production, it is right up there with the MiniVap (a properly functioning MiniVap) as one of the top two I have used. Those are breakthrough achievements in the portable department. The taste is good...not MiniVap good, but good. You won't be disappointed in the taste.
So far I have found three things I thought deserving of feedback:
1 -- improving the temperature control. The knob goes from approximately 8 to 4. But most of the temp control is between 12 and 2. We need to smooth out the response so that you can feel temp adjustments across the entire spectrum of 8 to 4.
2 -- throat irritation. At the higher temps I was getting some irritation that I usually associate with a vape that doesn't have an adequate air path after the bowl. See the MiniVap thread for an example. Through my bubbler I get no irritation, but through the supplied mouthpiece it is a little on the harsh side. This is not an issue at the lower to mid temps, just the highest temps.
3 -- Adhesives. The beta unit has adhesives in the air path that don't appear to be a concern based on other manufacturing uses, and it's not the only vape on the market with high temp adhesives in the air path (Herbalizer). But I know you guys, and this forum prefers air paths without adhesives, so we discussed alternatives.
There you have it....my impressions after five bowls. Do I think you are going to want this one? Yes. Is it ready for prime time today? No. But that's why we beta test shit. My unit is a very rough cut, which stokes me. It tells me that I have one in time to give feedback that actually makes a difference.
I hope this helps and stays neutral in your eyes. Fire away any questions you have. I am out for the night and very busy over the next three days, but will answer all I can. Give me any test ideas you have...this one is fun to test (I've tested some duds before that were a chore) and I will be going at it for a few weeks at least.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
All sounds pretty great to me, thanks for putting in the hard work sticks!
Are you using a 18mm male to male adapter as a stem for the water connection, or something else? That's what I plan to do at high temps (even mid...) for harshness anyway