Why I Gave up Cannabis

[JRR22611]

I'm a huge supporter of medicinal cannabis; I've spoken with several people who have cured their terminal illness (in some cases in a matter of days) using nothing but potent cannabis extract - these people I've talked with shop at my small town dispensary.
In all of these cases the people who were able to cure their disease never previously used cannabis.
This has led my to form a (perhaps paranoid) theory that cannabis should be highly respected and only used in life or death situations.
I originally started using cannabis after an accident that left me with a brain hemorrhage and spinal damage; but after speaking with people who have successfully cured their terminal illness (having zero tolerance to CBD and THC), I ask myself the question: could it be that the healing effects of cannabis are most effective, if effective at all, when the patient/pupil has never before activated their receptors?
Chronic pain is a real life nightmare, but I'm still very healthy so I made the choice to use it if I ever need it.
Am I paranoid, or could there be some concrete substance to my theory?

 

[Joel W.]

When my wife says I vape to much, I tell her " but it can cure cancer!" .

She then says " but you don't have cancer".

I then say "exactly".

 

[MinnBobber]

could it be that the healing effects of cannabis are most effective, if effective at all, when the patient/pupil has never before activated their receptors?
Chronic pain is a real life nightmare, but I'm still very healthy so I made the choice to use it if I ever need it.
Am I paranoid, or could there be some concrete substance to my theory?

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You're not paranoid BUT there is almost no reason to believe cannabis is more effective for medical issues IF your receptors have not been activated before.

Doing so ( not using unless emergency) would also eliminate all of the preventative attributes of cannabis. Cannabis is proving to be a superb preventative measure for a long list of diseases/ medical issues. Because of Draconian laws, research has been almost impossible but many studies from around the world point to cannabis helping to prevent maladies from Alzheimer's to glaucoma to cancer to .....

My conclusion is that cannabis is like:a baby aspirin a day that helps prevent heart attacks, times 1000, in that cannabis helps prevent mental, physical, emotional problems. In moderation and used properly of course.

The body's endocannabinoid system (ECS) of receptors is "fed" by cannabis and many people have an ECS deficiency, especially as they age. The ECS mission is to provide homeostasis (balance) to almost all systems in the body, so anything that gets out of balance is dealt with by the ECS.

Only using cannabis AFTER a med problem, robs you of a HUGE PREVENTATIVE BENEFIT of the wonder plant IMO.

Also, ECS receptors have been found to "add on" when exposed to cannabis---- so new users sometimes don't get as medicated until their body responds and adds more receptors ( a good thing for a healthy ECS system) to function better with the increased demand for their services

 

[JRR22611]

It's the draconian funded studies that say baby aspirin is good for the heart, but with what side effects I cannot speculate.

I base this on nothing but my gut feeling, that is, that in cases of terminal illness where the patient has never activated their receptors, then over-loads their brainstem and nervous system with a gram of potent oil per day creating a sort of "reset" function comparable to electroshock therapy or the feeling of replenishment after a medical dose of LSD and returning to a more natural, primal state, free of petty everyday stress and negative thought disorders, thus rewiring or "rebooting" your brain. By this point I'm sure I sound paranoid but there's no words to describe the feeling when the Doc says you will need a miracle to see the next month, and that miracle turns out to be Cannabis. I'm pursuing answers for these remarkable recoveries and I'm grateful for this platform of discussion.

 

[JRR22611]

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You're not paranoid BUT there is almost no reason to believe cannabis is more effective for medical issues IF your receptors have not been activated before.

Doing so ( not using unless emergency) would also eliminate all of the preventative attributes of cannabis. Cannabis is proving to be a superb preventative measure for a long list of diseases/ medical issues. Because of Draconian laws, research has been almost impossible but many studies from around the world point to cannabis helping to prevent maladies from Alzheimer's to glaucoma to cancer to .....

My conclusion is that cannabis is like:a baby aspirin a day that helps prevent heart attacks, times 1000, in that cannabis helps prevent mental, physical, emotional problems. In moderation and used properly of course.

The body's endocannabinoid system (ECS) of receptors is "fed" by cannabis and many people have an ECS deficiency, especially as they age. The ECS mission is to provide homeostasis (balance) to almost all systems in the body, so anything that gets out of balance is dealt with by the ECS.

Only using cannabis AFTER a med problem, robs you of a HUGE PREVENTATIVE BENEFIT of the wonder plant IMO.

Also, ECS receptors have been found to "add on" when exposed to cannabis---- so new users sometimes don't get as medicated until their body responds and adds more receptors ( a good thing for a healthy ECS system) to function better with the increased demand for their services

What are your thoughts on the condition:
Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome?

 

[t-dub]

could it be that the healing effects of cannabis are most effective, if effective at all, when the patient/pupil has never before activated their receptors?

IF your receptors have not been activated before.

that in cases of terminal illness where the patient has never activated their receptors, then over-loads their brainstem and nervous system with a gram of potent oil per day creating a sort of "reset" function comparable to electroshock therapy

First of all those receptors HAVE been activated in all of us. They use endogenous cannabinoids that the body makes. The idea that your body would have this complex system in place just in case you tried cannabis is absurd.

Second, People that use RSO to treat things like cancer are instructed to start with a dose about half the size of a grain of rice and slowly move upwards. Someone who has never ingested an edible before is going to have a whale of a bad trip plus some vomiting and diarehea at the very least from doing something stupid like eating a gram of RSO right out of the gate.

Third, cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome is another subject which has a thread here on FC in the medical section: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/cannabinoid-hyperemesis-syndrome.7776/

Fourth, be careful using the "cure" word. Doctors rarely use it because most pharmaceuticals do not cure anything they just alleviate symptoms. Antibiotics obviously do not apply here. But for a doctor to say your cancer, or your disease, is in remission, notice they don't say cure, is a long process that doesn't happen overnight.

 

[Farid]

For my condition, if I consume cannabis without a tolerance, I get effects which are way too strong. If I didn't have a slight tolerance I probably wouldn't use cannabis, as I think it would make me paranoid and anxious.

I'd be careful basing your views on medicine on this theory. I was irrationally paranoid of pharmaceuticals until I realized that my life depended on one. Technically I could just use cannabis instead, but the pharmaceuticals they make are much more effective and safe to use for my condition than just cannabis.

 

[JRR22611]

I understand the endocannabinoid system to an extent, and I never implied this system exists "just incase you tried cannabis..".
I understand the receptors are organically activated but never to the degree that shocks the nervous system and brain causing a "trip". I suggest it's during these trips that the brain becomes more plastic and ethereal causing some momentous change to occur thus remission.
A mate of mine of mine who was terminal one week, and in the literal sense of the word, cured of late stage melanoma the next (ingesting half gram RSO drops at a time), might take exception to some of your writings.
The reasons of my speculations are only to try to figure out the true nature of this fascinating healing process.

 

[JRR22611]

For my condition, if I consume cannabis without a tolerance, I get effects which are way too strong. If I didn't have a slight tolerance I probably wouldn't use cannabis, as I think it would make me paranoid and anxious.

I'd be careful basing your views on medicine on this theory. I was irrationally paranoid of pharmaceuticals until I realized that my life depended on one. Technically I could just use cannabis instead, but the pharmaceuticals they make are much more effective and safe to use for my condition than just cannabis.

I know nothing of your condition but it is fact, with the (unfortunate) lack of research into the true nature of Cannabis's healing properties and capacities, in many cases pharmaceuticals are the best thing for patients while people may tell you: "cannabis is a magical drug that heals all man." *Tommy Chong Voice*

 

[Farid]

I think I might have articulated that poorly. For me, cannabis is a miracle drug for epilepsy. It really is. Now I wouldn't stop taking pharmaceuticals because I believe in a multi tiered approach, but cannabis is really a miracle.

The point I was trying to make is that it's the same conspiratorial mentality that makes you say "cannabis should only be used in life or death situations" that made me afraid of using pharmaceutical drugs. There are legitimate reasons to not want to be on pharmaceuticals, just like there are legitimate reasons to abstain from drug use (including cannabis). When your health comes into question, however, I think those reasons become asinine.

What I'm having a hard time following, is what evidence you are basing your opinion on. Do you just feel that way? Like your gut tells you that you're doing yourself a disservice whenever you vape? Cause I'm a firm believer that if something doesn't feel right you shouldn't do it, and if it feels right, do it. Hell I think that if you enjoy cigarettes you should smoke, you just should understand the risks of everything you do. For me the biggest risk of cannabis is that it can make me paranoid.

Any risk of using impacting cannabis' ability to act as a medicine is mitigated by the possibility that you could be giving yourself preemptive preventative maintenance against cancer even starting. Cause in the absence of evidence it could go both ways.

 

[JRR22611]

I think you might be missing the point I was trying to make. For me, cannabis is a miracle drug for epilepsy. It really is. Now I wouldn't stop taking pharmaceuticals because I believe in a multi tiered approach, but cannabis is really a miracle.

The point I was trying to make is that it's the same conspiratorial mentality that makes you say "cannabis should only be used in life or death situations" that made me afraid of using pharmaceutical drugs. There are legitimate reasons to not want to be on pharmaceuticals, just like there are legitimate reasons to abstain from drug use (including cannabis). When your health comes into question, however, I think those reasons become asinine.

What I'm having a hard time following, is what evidence you are basing your opinion on. Do you just feel that way? Like your gut tells you that you're doing yourself a disservice whenever you vape? Cause I'm a firm believer that if something doesn't feel right you shouldn't do it, and if it feels right, do it. Hell I think that if you enjoy cigarettes you should smoke, you just should understand the risks of everything you do. For me the biggest risk of cannabis is that it can make me paranoid.

Any risk of using impacting cannabis' ability to act as a medicine is mitigated by the possibility that you could be giving yourself preemptive preventative maintenance against cancer even starting. Cause in the absence of evidence it could go both ways.

I said from the start what I'm saying is nothing but my opinion, not to be taken as fact, but may be be construed anyway one wishes. My SOLE intention was to form constructive dialogue regarding the magic not yet proven to be science that is Cannabis.

 

[JRR22611]

I should have picked a better title for the thread but that's beside the point.

 

[MoltenTiger]

It's an interesting hypothesis that cannabis is more effective without tolerance medically speaking.
Given the rate at which tolerance resets, I feel it is a viable option to continue recreational vaping despite the possible medical horizon.
I agree with @t-dub that dosage should be relevant to tolerance, and with that considered an existing user could always have a larger amount to receive the desired effect for whatever ailment.

Daily or occasional use is healthy (hopefully) for revitalisation, and in the instance of medical application, the intake would vary as much as the reasoning to use it.
I would imagine in some cases having 0% tolerance could be beneficial, but not crucial.

 

[grokit]

whoopsie never mind

 

[t-dub]

I suggest it's during these trips that the brain becomes more plastic and ethereal causing some momentous change to occur thus remission.

Plastic and ethereal . . . . hmmm . . .

The endocannabinoid system (ECS) is a group of endogenous cannabinoid receptors located in the mammalian brain and throughout the central and peripheral nervous systems, consisting of neuromodulatory lipids and their receptors. In your brain cannabinoids regulate the synapses and the messaging between them. Some cannabinoids cause more chemical reaction in the synapses, some less. This is why you feel things like time distortion etc.

If you are looking for the properties of cannabis that heal cancer, like melanoma for example, I would look at the anti-cancer properties of all the different cannabinoids. The protocol for RSO has the increasing dose so that after a while you are taking a gram of oil. This gives you a therapeutic dose of active ingredients to your whole body. The relaxation and other mental effects could have something to do with the healing process but in my opinion they are not the driving factor in causing disease to go into remission. Epilepsy patients do well with just CBD for example.

Remember, doctors make a lot of mistakes. Medical mistakes are the third leading cause of death in the United States. A recent study found that 52% of doctors are either under he influence of alcohol, street drugs, or prescription drugs while on shift. When they tell you "you have a month to live" they can be wrong and that may have just as much to do with this "spontaneous healing" you are talking about.

 

[JRR22611]

This is all very good information but not so much applicable to my fringe, speculative theories. I previously stated I chose the wrong title when creating this thread and I would change it if I could.

Plastic and ethereal . . . . hmmm . . .

Plastic indeed. The suggestions I'm making fall in line with the (somewhat primitive, but still effective) logic and treatment of electroshock therapy for those with thought disorders - the goal being to "reset" the brain to it's natural state, free of traumatic memories and toxic thought disorders so that positive thought connections can be made over time.
The natural brain is a healthy brain and I think we can all agree it would be ideal to live in a natural state of mind without influence from a quite malignant society.
The same logic can be applied to victims of cluster headaches (I am one) who choose psychedelic mushrooms as their medication, successfully freeing themselves from headaches for days, weeks, months at a time. The mushrooms reset the brain.
It's my opinion based on studying cannabis success stories, speaking with the people; that introducing potent cannabis oil to the endocannabinoid system of a patient who has never used cannabis before, to an extent resets the brain aiding the healing process to a certain (perhaps significant) degree.

 

[MoltenTiger]

This is all very good information but not so much applicable to my fringe, speculative theories. I previously stated I chose the wrong title when creating this thread and I would change it if I could.


Plastic indeed. The suggestions I'm making fall in line with the (somewhat primitive, but still effective) logic and treatment of electroshock therapy for those with thought disorders - the goal being to "reset" the brain to it's natural state, free of traumatic memories and toxic thought disorders so that positive thought connections can be made over time.
The natural brain is a healthy brain and I think we can all agree it would be ideal to live in a natural state of mind without influence from a quite malignant society.
The same logic can be applied to victims of cluster headaches (I am one) who choose psychedelic mushrooms as their medication, successfully freeing themselves from headaches for days, weeks, months at a time. The mushrooms reset the brain.
It's my opinion based on studying cannabis success stories, speaking with the people; that introducing potent cannabis oil to the endocannabinoid system of a patient who has never used cannabis before, to an extent resets the brain aiding the healing process to a certain (perhaps significant) degree.

Psilocin does not reset the brain, it acts on 5HT receptors and has a direct interference with serotonin production and interaction.
I have heard reputable cases where cluster headaches have successfully been treated with psilocybe mushrooms, however the action that causes this is unknown.

I'm not sure where you are gathering this 'natural brain' state business from, but I don't think it's quite that simple. Brain chemistry is far from well-understood science, but it's through these substances that we can learn about it.

 

[t-dub]

the goal being to "reset" the brain to it's natural state, free of traumatic memories and toxic thought disorders

Since when does cannabis erase your memories? I have never heard of cannabis correcting a "toxic thought disorder". I would like to point out that in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders there is NOT ONE single condition that can be tested for in a lab. Its all subjective.

 

[JRR22611]

Since when does cannabis erase your memories? I have never heard of cannabis correcting a "toxic thought disorder". I would like to point out that in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders there is NOT ONE single condition that can be tested for in a lab. Its all subjective.

Did I say Cannabis erases memories?
I would argue your point untrue regarding thought disorders as I know many people who have cured major depressive disorders via Cannabis. Thought disorders are often the root of depression.
I accept that you will construe my words in whatever way you choose but I'll address your putting words in my mouth in a simpler fashion:
When your doctor tells you you have a month at best to live, and a week later you cure yourself simply by ingesting RSO, you are overwhelmed with joy at life's every detail. You don't have the slightest capacity for negative thoughts or memories in you mind. You wake up every morning grateful you get to live. Does this not change thought patterns?
Although I stated (at least twice now) this forum is hypothetical and purely speculative, you are drawing away from the point which is constructive dialogue on the true healing properties of Cannabis.
Of course this is all subjective, everyone is different physically to a degree, everyone thinks differently too a degree, and the science communitie's' finest have little understanding of the brain.
Life is a subjective thing.

 

[JRR22611]

I'm not sure where you are gathering this 'natural brain' state business from, but I don't think it's quite that simple. Brain chemistry is far from well-understood science, but it's through these substances that we can learn about it.

Hypothetically you have a girlfriend that is less than a desirable companion. Your brain may form negative thought patterns towards this individual. You then rid this individual from your life thus your negative thought patterns are reconstructed into positive thought patterns.
I speculate that our brains are meant to think positively and creatively in it's natural state. However it's obvious this natural state is affected by undesirable external and internal influences deviating us from the natural state.
I'm sorry but I can't find words to better explain my speculations.

Of course this is all subjective, everyone is different physically to a degree, everyone thinks differently too a degree, and the science communitie's' finest have little understanding of the brain.
Life is a subjective thing.

 

[t-dub]

Did I say Cannabis erases memories?

thats what I took this to mean . . .

free of traumatic memories

Anyways, this is a great discussion because what I see emerging is a mix of healing with cannabis and western medical science, positive thinking, spontaneous healing, and maybe some placebo and/or misunderstanding of the disease process involved. For example, doctors are continuing to find that a lot of diseases are actually due to nutritional deficiencies. The placebo effect is well known. However we know that positive thinking can be very powerful in creating our reality. Spontaneous healing events have been recorded, discovering their modus operendi is much more challenging.

 

[JRR22611]

thats what I took this to mean . . .

Anyways, this is a great discussion because what I see emerging is a mix of healing with cannabis and western medical science, positive thinking, spontaneous healing, and maybe some placebo and/or misunderstanding of the disease process involved. For example, doctors are continuing to find that a lot of diseases are actually due to nutritional deficiencies. The placebo effect is well known. However we know that positive thinking can be very powerful in creating our reality. Spontaneous healing events have been recorded, discovering their modus operendi is much more challenging.

That quote is out of context and I wasn't specifically referring to cannabis erasing memories in any way (I was referring to electroshock therapy which was the topic of that paragraph). In any case, I do appreciate your input and thank you for not writing me off as crazy. I rightly don't have the vocabulary to explain what scientist cannot. With any luck, if individuals like you continue to add valuable pieces to this puzzle a clear picture might just come about.

 

[JRR22611]

Also, is there any way of changing the name of the forum?

 

[t-dub]

Also, is there any way of changing the name of the forum?

Well everyone kinda likes "Fuck Combustion" . . . But if you are asking if The Mods can change your thread title then simply contact one of them and see if they can help you. Simply using the "Report" button, on your OP, with an explanation of why you are reporting your own post, can get you some service. I moderated another forum with this same software and I think, maybe, it could be done.

 

[MoltenTiger]

Hypothetically you have a girlfriend that is less than a desirable companion. Your brain may form negative thought patterns towards this individual. You then rid this individual from your life thus your negative thought patterns are reconstructed into positive thought patterns.
I speculate that our brains are meant to think positively and creatively in it's natural state. However it's obvious this natural state is affected by undesirable external and internal influences deviating us from the natural state.
I'm sorry but I can't find words to better explain my speculations.

I think I get what you're saying, and I think a better wording would be 'normal' over 'natural' - because some peoples natural state is deplete or overridden (imbalanced).
Given cannabis' interaction with us, I do think it's a plausible way to healthily rebalance ourselves.
However I think there is possibly other more effective ways with regard to brain chemistry.
Incidentally what you have stated is eerily accurate to me, and in that instance cannabis has merely been a welcome distraction and in some way has helped me to veer from negative thoughts.
But without trying other medicines I can't really comment on true healing potential.
It's helped me help me, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it has cured me of negative thoughts. I think that is always a potential and it is ultimately up to us to avoid thinking detrimentally.
In this realm of contrast there will always be someone you can label negative, it's all perspective.