Why have I been grinding my herb? Do you grind or rip?

GoldenBud

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some people prefer more surface area (medium/fine grind) while other prefer to keep the trichome "heads" without damage - no grinding
it also depends how much weed you've got, and how you hate to clean screens/stir the bowl etc'
fine grind will cause the Lotus screens clog more often, but it's ok with Basket Screen 19mm, for an example

I'd say that in my opinion if you have a lot of weed - don't grind, without grinding, whole nugs, it feels more medical to me, the taste is cleaner.
if you need to spare it for long term, grind coarse or medium, coarse will be better for your trichome heads AFAIK
 

C No Ego

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heated air moving over surface area ... the more surface area available the more heated air can extract the goodies . heated air bumps outer surface of whole nug and cannot penatrate to the inner part of it unless you braek it apart mid session .
 

Cannabiker

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heated air moving over surface area ... the more surface area available the more heated air can extract the goodies . heated air bumps outer surface of whole nug and cannot penatrate to the inner part of it unless you braek it apart mid session .
If that were true you'd have to break apart your Thanksgiving turkey to cook the stuffing in the middle. Heat does transfer through solid objects; it's called conduction. That's why you can stuff a whole nug in your Dynavap oven, and it will cook all the way through, no stirring required. Don't make me post pics--that would interfere with my Saturday morning sesh.
 

Robert-in-YEG

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If that were true you'd have to break apart your Thanksgiving turkey to cook the stuffing in the middle. Heat does transfer through solid objects; it's called conduction. That's why you can stuff a whole nug in your Dynavap oven, and it will cook all the way through, no stirring required. Don't make me post pics--that would interfere with my Saturday morning sesh.
You are correct. Every vape is different as to the best way to pack, but proper packing is essential in ensuring the best performance from a vape.

Robert-in-YEG

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Ramahs

Fucking Combustion (mostly) Since February 2017
If that were true you'd have to break apart your Thanksgiving turkey to cook the stuffing in the middle. Heat does transfer through solid objects; it's called conduction. That's why you can stuff a whole nug in your Dynavap oven, and it will cook all the way through, no stirring required. Don't make me post pics--that would interfere with my Saturday morning sesh.

Dude. If you use whole nugs in your vape, then you will have to remove them and crush them a bit at some point if you wist to have a full, even extraction. I know I've never been able to get full EVEN extraction (even being the key word here) on full nugs in my Dynavap vapes unless I pull the load out halfway through and crush the nug up a bit.
 

Cannabiker

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Dude. If you use whole nugs in your vape, then you will have to remove them and crush them a bit at some point if you wist to have a full, even extraction. I know I've never been able to get full EVEN extraction (even being the key word here) on full nugs in my Dynavap vapes unless I pull the load out halfway through and crush the nug up a bit.
Even was never the key word for me. I'm seeking words like "bliss", or "euphoria". When I find those, I'm good. If the load is darker on the outside than in the middle, I'm not going to fret. And the load is going to be darker around the edges whether it's ground or not, because it's in contact with sides of the oven, where the heat originates.

I'm not sure there's a resolution here, because I believe we're talking about different preferences. You say it needs a stir, I say, "Meh, good enough." But just to be sure we're talking about the same thing, I took a picture of the nug I pulled a piece from, and the abv from the piece I pulled off and vaped (I crushed it so you can see the center). I used a '21 omni tip and a regular captive cap on a straight glass stem through water, heated for four cycles with an Ispire Wand. The herb is super fresh Carl Sagan from this year's harvest, still curing at about 70% moisture. Sure, there are parts of the load that are a little lighter--is that too much variation for you?

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Robert-in-YEG

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Dude. If you use whole nugs in your vape, then you will have to remove them and crush them a bit at some point if you wist to have a full, even extraction. I know I've never been able to get full EVEN extraction (even being the key word here) on full nugs in my Dynavap vapes unless I pull the load out halfway through and crush the nug up a bit.
I sometimes buy 'popcorn nuggets' when they are on sale. These runt sized nugs are often dense,so small, griding doesn't accomplish a lot; I just stuff them into the vape. As this little nugs get loaded, they get crushed together; they aren't loose in the vape.

You are correct about even extraction; nugs won't cook even, and if they have size at all, there is stem in the middle that gets in the way. I typically vape until the flavour is gone, plus a puff or two. Even with that, there will some lighter colours in the AVB. I reuse my AVB for cooking, so if some goodness remains from uneven cooking, nothing goes to waste.

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C No Ego

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If that were true you'd have to break apart your Thanksgiving turkey to cook the stuffing in the middle. Heat does transfer through solid objects; it's called conduction. That's why you can stuff a whole nug in your Dynavap oven, and it will cook all the way through, no stirring required. Don't make me post pics--that would interfere with my Saturday morning sesh.
we are not turning our turkey into an aerosol and inhaling it. as mentioned, heated air moving over surface area to extract and then that air is inhaled immediately. if you look at whole bud that does not get stirred after vaping it ther is still lots of sticky in the middle
 
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Robert-in-YEG

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we are not turning our turkey into an aerosol and inhaling it. as mentioned, heated air moving over surface area to extract and then that air is inhaled immediately. if you look at whole bud that does not get stirred after vaping it ther is still lots of sticky in the middle
You are mostly right, but you need to consider the vaporizer.

If I stick small nugs, or small pieces of nug, turn it up to 435F and run two sessions, the first one will produce lots of vapor and flavour; the second, not so much. With the high heat and closed design, what's left will look like coffee grounds.

If I do the same in my Arizer ArGo, it maximum temp is 428F, and put nugs or bits of nug, no matter how many sessions or what temperature, there will be some uncooked bud. The tubes/oven in the ArGo is narrow and deep;it doesn't cook well at the top.

Again, every vaporizer is different.

Robert-in-YEG
 

Cannabiker

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we are not turning our turkey into an aerosol and inhaling it. as mentioned, heated air moving over surface area to extract and then that air is inhaled immediately. if you look at whole bud that does not get stirred after vaping it ther is still lots of sticky in the middle
Go ahead, look at the bud--I included a photo a few posts back. There is absolutely no sticky in the middle, and it started out as a ridiculously sticky, barely-cured bud. It cooked through by conduction, in four cycles with a Wand.

As @invertedisdead notes, that's the key here. Conduction vapes, using contact to transfer heat, will cook a whole nug better than convection vapes, which rely on hot air to transfer heat. You can do it with convection, but it will take sustained air flow to heat the nug through. If you put anything in a hot environment long enough, with or without airflow, it will eventually reach the ambient temperature.
 

C No Ego

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You are mostly right, but you need to consider the vaporizer.

If I stick small nugs, or small pieces of nug, turn it up to 435F and run two sessions, the first one will produce lots of vapor and flavour; the second, not so much. With the high heat and closed design, what's left will look like coffee grounds.

If I do the same in my Arizer ArGo, it maximum temp is 428F, and put nugs or bits of nug, no matter how many sessions or what temperature, there will be some uncooked bud. The tubes/oven in the ArGo is narrow and deep;it doesn't cook well at the top.

Again, every vaporizer is different.

Robert-in-YEG
so heated air bumping into a solid object is what we are against when vaping etc.... take the object apart and heated air is more efficient... we can either do it ahead of time as in grinding it or let the vape do it for us during the vape process .... to much fiddling around for my use , grind works better etc....
 

Madri-Gal

Child Of The Revolution
Grinding is one of my less favorite chores, but I regularly step up and get it done. If a bit of popcorn comes out of a jar, I've been known to happily chuck it into a vape, but if I'm having to tear down a large bud, it's usually going to go in a grinder. My big change up is using scissors and tray, for variety. One way or another, the plant is getting small.
 

C No Ego

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Grinding is one of my less favorite chores, but I regularly step up and get it done. If a bit of popcorn comes out of a jar, I've been known to happily chuck it into a vape, but if I'm having to tear down a large bud, it's usually going to go in a grinder. My big change up is using scissors and tray, for variety. One way or another, the plant is getting small.
I use the smallest grinder available to keep me from using to much weed ! kind of psyching myself up a bit but it works ....
 

WelshBrok

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In answer to do you grind or rip, I guess I cut :lol:.

A while ago I had 5 or 6 different grinders with varying grind sizes and then I got the lift innovation and haven’t really used any other grinders since. Have tried little nugs without grinding/cutting/ripping/milling but just seemed like more effort getting everything out of it
 

Robert-in-YEG

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In answer to do you grind or rip, I guess I cut :lol:.

A while ago I had 5 or 6 different grinders with varying grind sizes and then I got the lift innovation and haven’t really used any other grinders since. Have tried little nugs without grinding/cutting/ripping/milling but just seemed like more effort getting everything out of it
Yes, scissors. I forgot all about that. In high school I remember using my scissors to cut up my weed. I haven't done that in years. I'm going to give that a try.

Robert-in-YEG

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Siebter

Less soul, more mind
so heated air bumping into a solid object is what we are against when vaping etc.... take the object apart and heated air is more efficient... we can either do it ahead of time as in grinding it or let the vape do it for us during the vape process .... to much fiddling around for my use , grind works better etc....
As @invertedisdead hinted, that is true when we talk about convection devices, as air can not penetrate or be absorbed by solid objects. However, heat can, because heat is basically infrared rays – which comes into play when we look at conduction vapes.
 
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C No Ego

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As @invertedisdead hinted, that is true when we talk about convection devices, as air can not penetrate or be absorbed by solid objects. However, heat can, because heat is basically infrared rays – which comes into play when we look at conduction vapes.
yeah but heating the center of the bud and getting air flow to the center in order to extract are to different things ... the heated center of a solid bud would just sit ther in heat not transferring anything with air to the person trying to inhale the off put . it would just cook the bud with heat melting all the goodies in there and drying out the bud while actual air flow would be @ outer surfaces not the center... if its an airy bud and not really that solid then more efficient that way etc....

Edit - years back someone was posting about this and even grind weed will clump into a ball of solid mass when put in the vape and heated air going over it ... all the sticky will make a ball of sticky and the air will have to bump into it anyway to break it down over a time preiod etc...
so not that different either way save for more minor air flow allowance in grind weed
 
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Siebter

Less soul, more mind
@C No Ego – I'm not sure if that (goodies staying inside the center of a bud) is actually the case when using a chunky grind or whole nug, doesn't quite match my experience – but it's still a good question and in general it's at least plausible. A whole nug is definitely much slower to vape, that's for sure.
 
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gangababa

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Personally, I've always been more into ✂️ing than grinding, but mostly I like to find a nice tight bud and pop it in me oven. :dog:

Likewise.
For years I have been using a cheap, fold-able cuticle scissor (so called) to cut flower as needed for the moment and the next, and the next, and ...
...I decided to buy a grinder; it was only two months ago. The grinder is accumulating within it what I want within me.
The scissors are easily cleaned for the sticky stuff. The grinder not so much..
Some finger broken bud-lets in the vape is a nice way to try each month's new muggles.
 

vapirtoo

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My SV3 Supreme torch powered aluminum brick
totally brings nugs up to the desired temp through
and through. Everything vaped is always dry and powdery.
Grinding is FORBIDDEN!
 
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