Why can't I get the same "high" than I used to get?

[TheFatBastard]

Well guys, chasing that "first high" I've just got a KP-1 Rosin Press and I'm intending to produce some rosin from my homegrown flowers in a couple of hours, that I will (for the first time ever) try tonight with my Flowerpot Showerhead.

I've never dabbed before, and I'm very excited thinking about the experience, some people says that dabbing for the first time is like the first time you got high....so I will provide a good set and setting and try to enjoy the experience.

Any tips or advices?

 

[Madri-Gal]

Well guys, chasing that "first high" I've just got a KP-1 Rosin Press and I'm intending to produce some rosin from my homegrown flowers in a couple of hours, that I will (for the first time ever) try tonight with my Flowerpot Showerhead.

I've never dabbed before, and I'm very excited thinking about the experience, some people says that dabbing for the first time is like the first time you got high....so I will provide a good set and setting and try to enjoy the experience.

Any tips or advices?

Pay close attention. You'll never have that first dab experience again. Enjoy.

 

[TheFatBastard]

Pay close attention. You'll never have that first dab experience again. Enjoy.

Yep, that's what I was thinking....

I was so naive the first few times I got high vaping for the first time and thinking "Damn, this is super cool, I've just discovered the next best thing ever!"

 

[Madri-Gal]

Yep, that's what I was thinking....

I was so naive the first few times I got high vaping for the first time and thinking "Damn, this is super cool, I've just discovered the next best thing ever!"

I know! I still feel that way vaping. I'm so lucky it works for me the way I need it to. I was expecting much, and I am humbled by the blessings cannabis has brought to my life. I only wish it worked as well for everyone.

 

[TheFatBastard]

I know! I still feel that way vaping. I'm so lucky it works for me the way I need it to. I was expecting much, and I am humbled by the blessings cannabis has brought to my life. I only wish it worked as well for everyone.

Yeah, don't misunderstand me, I still enjoy vaping A LOT....but those first highs......

 

[biohacker]

You'll never have that first dab experience again

Why would you say that? When I took a 90 day break from vaping flower, and returned with a micro dose of high CBD flower, it felt like the very first time again. Not sure why it would be any different with dabbing after a prolonged receptor re-sensitization?

 

[Madri-Gal]

Why would you say that? When I took a 90 day break from vaping flower, and returned with a micro dose of high CBD flower, it felt like the very first time again. Not sure why it would be any different with dabbing after a prolonged receptor re-sensitization?

I get reliable results as well. Not everyone does, or this thread wouldn't exist. I try to be mindful and didn't want @TheFatBastard to be concerned about the future and not enjoy his first dab moment. We are in separate bodies that aren't the same. I don't get the relief I need from CBD, for example. I don't doubt that others do, and I'm pleased that they do. I said what I said trying to be respectful of @TheFatBastard and his experience in the past, and with joy that he gets to have another first that he is looking forward to.
@TheFatBastard , my wish for you is that you enjoy your experience, the first time and every time. I'm looking forward to hearing about how the press works for you.

 

[biohacker]

@Madri-Gal I get that and agree with you, however this thread exists due to tolerance and too frequent vaping/dabbing. Has there really been anyone here that has taken a protracted break and not been absolutely floored on the first hit back? And when I say floored, I pretty much mean that literally!

I've done 30 days, and it's definitely not the same as 90 days.. I can't even imagine going longer than that and not experiencing virgin highs. With that said, even 1-2 weeks can make a significant difference, but not like a virgin experience.

First time experiences (especially dabs!) can actually not even be that enjoyable with a low/virgin tolerance.. Be SAFE dabbing fam!

 

[Madri-Gal]

@Madri-Gal I get that and agree with you, however this thread exists due to tolerance and too frequent vaping/dabbing. Has there really been anyone here that has taken a protracted break and not been absolutely floored on the first hit back? And when I say floored, I pretty much mean that literally!

I've done 30 days, and it's definitely not the same as 90 days.. I can't even imagine going longer than that and not experiencing virgin highs. With that said, even 1-2 weeks can make a significant difference, but not like a virgin experience.

First time experiences (especially dabs!) can actually not even be that enjoyable with a low/virgin tolerance.. Be SAFE dabbing fam!

The OP feels that he doesn't get the same effect, and I've been following his journey.

 

[biohacker]

The OP feels that he doesn't get the same effect, and I've been following his journey.

And what was his longest time between sessions? A week? Not long enough, see my original post. This isn't rocket science. OP should abstain for 90 days+ if he desires virgin effects. His receptors need to be properly re-sensitized, and this also includes Dopamine receptors. Surely, there are other things that may have de-sensitized Dopamine in addition to THC.

Even sex was great in my first highs, but now I even can't "function" sometimes

This is concerning IMO.

 

[CANtalk]

In seeking big experiences and keeping a healthy relationship with cannabis, I've been watching my tolerance closely with variable use and it's interesting. I personally have settled in at three days use from Friday over the weekend and then four days off Sun-Thurs off.

I've done daily use for while, a few times. I find it really depresses the cannabis experience.

That three day routine has kept my tolerance low and from building, plus experiences large . Any more use than that and my experiences immediately blunt and my tolerance increases.

I had cannabis on a very rare Monday again (an added day of use). And it definitely blunts the first Friday (and subsequent) use at the end of that week after the break. The next week, after I went back to my normal routine with that added break day, I was particularly impressed with the first experience compared to the previous week. With four consecutive days off I very consistently have big experiences when I go back to vaping.

Breaks and lower cannabis use really helps to keep the tolerance down and the experiences up! Everyone one has their own sensitivity to cannabis and different tolerance levels. So see what routines, amounts and breaks work well for you when chasing big experiences!

Cheers .

 

[biohacker]

@CANtalk Do you get any withdrawals from Mon to Thurs?

 

[CANtalk]

@biohacker, my use is enough that I see recovery symptoms during the weekly break. There is no free ride with three days of big experiences, .

I find there are definitely negative effects that I rebound and recover from after. And how significant it is depends on how much I use. After heavy use Monday can be a rough day... blunted, low energy, tired, etc. REM sleep and dreams progress through recovery during the week. Even memory and attentiveness improves. All of these are pretty well known cannabis effects. I vape enough cannabis that recovery certainly is not binary for me (it doesn't transpire overnight for example). Rather, it's a response curve that depends on the amount and duration of cannabis use.

Two days per week use gives me significantly better recovery and probably is the most optimal use pattern for me with maximum productivity and the best overall lifestyle (it's likely in my future more so as well). In the mean time I have been enjoying an indulgent and reasonably sustainable overall experience with use three days per week. It's a hell of a ride .

FWIW, to maximize cannabis enjoyment and have big experiences I've also moved to microdosing . This is what I put into my vape this afternoon . Potent and strong .

Cheers .

 

[vapirtoo]

Wow finally get some reference point that I can use! Your fingers on the bowl really show the amount of bud. That is about what I use in my Errlectric herb nail at 720F. That high will last me.... 4 hours outside doing exercise, 2 hours doing housework, 30 min just sitting. I'm usually a daily after work imbiber.
i've had forced t-breaks of over a week dealing with kids sports and other shit. No problem.
Alcohol was the regular drug with these adult coaches after the kids were asleep. Go figure.

 

[CANtalk]

Wow finally get some reference point that I can use! Your fingers on the bowl really show the amount of bud. That is about what I use in my Errlectric herb nail at 720F. That high will last me.... 4 hours outside doing exercise, 2 hours doing housework, 30 min just sitting. I'm usually a daily after work imbiber.
i've had forced t-breaks of over a week dealing with kids sports and other shit. No problem.
Alcohol was the regular drug with these adult coaches after the kids were asleep. Go figure.

Great . It's much appreciated to read about your and others shared feedback and experience; very helpful .

Alcohol, the most 'accepted/traditional' drug of western culture .

Your activities experience is interesting (and excellent feedback ). I'm different in that I find with more activities/exercise that I 'burn' through the cannabis experience quicker compared sitting (in agreement with the related metabolism aspects). It's an excellent variable to mention too .

To share more info, I like to be low energy relaxing on the couch in the family room... with the stereo on and great music. My big experiences are too much to be able to track a TV show , let alone be productive . A while back I posted about a big Friday experience (after a break) this summer where I had a most active and interactive time, with what has otherwise been almost exclusively a much more isolated experience. I mountain-biked to see some live music, obviously for a great time (brought my portable vape too, it's posted on another thread); I was at the limit for I was comfortable with doing ... I was cautious and significantly impaired . That was a typical Friday amount and break too, reinforcing and demonstrating my 'big' experiences and what they would be like interacting out there in an extroverted world way...

I agree that detailed reference points and feedback are great . I shared this on the micro-dosing thread a while back and find it helpful. Hope it helps you too. Here's a picture showing a number of microdosing cannabis weights with various reference points/objects. Unfortunately there was no feedback on whether it's with moist or dry cannabis (which can significantly affect weights), but it's a good indicator for those who don't have/use scales .

If that picture doesn't load/work here's the link. https://i.imgur.com/RvQMg61.jpg. I've gotten some errors... even this link (if so try reloading the link a few times if errors persist). Sometimes I get an error but with a bit of fidgeting I can always get it to work.

It all sounds great. Cheers .

 

[pakalolo]

Has there really been anyone here that has taken a protracted break and not been absolutely floored on the first hit back?

Yes, me.

For 20 years I abstained for two months every summer when we were in Hawaii. When I resumed I got pretty much the same results I got from the last time before we left. I know you say you need 90+ days, and I've done that too. Same outcome. I will also add that my tolerance has never changed no matter what I've been doing. I started out needing very little and I still need very little, even after a week or so of testing concentrates in high doses.

 

[FabulatorPoeta]

@CANtalk Thanks for all your imput, very informative and food for thought.
Associating microdose (mostly once a day) and a few days break (3 or 4) do it for me also: 0.01g average depending on the quality of the herb. VapCap has been for me "the" tool to achieve this. Always amazed at the result.

And, if the picture does'nt show, one can see it by hitting the "reply" button at the bottom of your post. Greetings to all.

Here's a picture showing a number of microdosing cannabis weights with various reference points/objects. Unfortunately there was no feedback on whether it's with moist or dry cannabis (which can significantly affect weights), but it's a good indicator for those who don't have/use scales .

If that picture doesn't load/work here's the link. https://i.imgur.com/RvQMg61.jpg. I've gotten some errors... even this link (if so try reloading the link a few times if errors persist). Sometimes I get an error but with a bit of fidgeting I can always get it to work.

It all sounds great. Cheers .

 

[biohacker]

@pakalolo You don't apply to this because you've never felt like you couldn't get the same high you used to get, correct? I'm curious, how often do you vape, and what quantities since you sound like a micro doser?

Yes, me.

Are you SURE?

I think you did get absolutely floored, like you do every time?

Associating microdose and a few days break do it for me also: 0.01g average depending on the quality of the herb.

You are definitely an inspiration, as is Pakalolo! Wow! Even my micro dabs were about 0.015-0.02, which is closer to 0.1g flower.

When/if I return to cannabis, I don't see a more sustainable method than micro dosing, and moderating frequency. I don't think Cannabis is supposed to be used frequently IMO, unless at least one takes frequent breaks.

@CANtalk What would you say you vape on a "heavy" day, and what do you feel would be optimal in terms of usage to avoid withdrawal (or "recovery" lol) effects?

Respect to all three of you!

 

[FabulatorPoeta]

Thank you @biohacker but everyone metabolizes differently so I have no merit. Vaporization and legalization (in my neck of the wood) allow for a better exploration to find out what is best for oneself. It's a question of balance and gentle vigilance. I guess age helps in this too ... And conversations like this one is a big support. Your imput is most precious. Thank you to be there. It's great to feel there is a community of kind and thoughtfull people to interact with.

@pakalolo You don't apply to this because you've never felt like you couldn't get the same high you used to get, correct? I'm curious, how often do you vape, and what quantities since you sound like a micro doser?



Are you SURE?

I think you did get absolutely floored, like you do every time?



You are definitely an inspiration, as is Pakalolo! Wow! Even my micro dabs were about 0.015-0.02, which is closer to 0.1g flower.

When/if I return to cannabis, I don't see a more sustainable method than micro dosing, and moderating frequency.

@CANtalk What would you say you vape on a "heavy" day, and what do you feel would be optimal in terms of usage to avoid withdrawal (or "recovery" lol) effects?

Respect to all three of you!

 

[biohacker]

@FabulatorPoeta Thank you, but you definitely have merit. I've been here since the beginning, as I knew some of the big boys in the industry, and was nearly 15 years ago, yet I find myself learning even more now from those newer to vaporization. I think I was looking at flower and having issues historically due to sensitivities to volume and size of dosages due to consistent high tolerance, yet now i'm seeing things in a new light, and finally have awaken to the respect that you micro dosers give to certain vapes. I used to simply be a MACRO doser, and that causes me so many issues not just tolerance, but intolerance to the actual vapour. I just had no idea how it was possible to vape such tiny amounts, even though i've experimented with it in the past.

I'll have to start spending some more time in the micro dosers thread now! Thanks again and have a blessed weekend my friend!

 

[CANtalk]

@CANtalk What would you say you vape on a "heavy" day, and what do you feel would be optimal in terms of usage to avoid withdrawal (or "recovery" lol) effects? Respect to all three of you!

It's all relative to the tolerance level I'm at. Before I slowly started ratcheting down my cannabis amounts, I was doing a full ELB twice in a day or so which people report is ~ 0.5-0.6 g X2 or 1-1.2 g, and the odd time I'd double that with friends over, etc. Now that I've lowered my amounts I find a heavy day is when I start to go over 0.25-0.3 g or so. I still relatively new to microdosing having only done it for a number of months now. I'm still slowly lowering my dose and my current short-term reachable goal is to keep it under 0.25 g consistently. I just last night pulled back my Friday routine a bit more again, from three (small) fresh flower loads to two... and it went great and was still a big experience .

To avoid any significant negative effects of cannabis, after a cannabis/T-break I'd start with very small amounts and do it for a few weeks that way (two days per week, two bowls max per day) before potentially increasing the dose to get more effects if you aren't where you want to get to . And somewhere in the 0.01-0.02 g range per bowl. Better and more enjoyable in my experience to start small and add than start large and subtract if you really want to avoid negative effects. A few members here report microdosing very effectively in the 0.005 g range too . And until one tries it from a clean cannabis/T-break reboot it's hard to judge how effective it can be in any one person's case. There's a good micro-dosing thread here as you know, and for anyone interested in the subject. http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/micro-dosing.19915/

Circling back to this thread, it definitely was another great and big experience last night . Onward with the cannabis journey.

Cheers .

 

[virtualpurple]

I too, always find sources of inspiration in this thread. This is a great topic I think tons of us relate to.

I mostly started directly into vaporizing in 2013ish, I had smoked weed a few times but I have a history of asthma so I didn’t want to compromise my lungs too much. I remember the first session I had with my first vaporizer - the Davinci Ascent. It was a real crusher of a session.

I’ve cycled through many vapes since then and let’s be real, I’ve enjoyed getting high with almost every one of them.

I enjoy cannabis a lot, but I don’t currently have what I consider a healthy personal relationship with it.

Odds are I should just take a nice break anyways. The last time I really took an extended break was a few years back I took probably 70-90 days so I could clear a pre-employment UA for the military.

had a few of my girlfriends friends over for a night soon after passing for an evening of pizzas (that’s right, there’s a few of us on this forum, shout out to @Aimless Ryan and @invertedisdead i believe). Her friends wanted to try some different vapes so I had a good chunk of my collection out on the table.

I reintroduced myself to the herb with a heat cycle on my vapcap and made a mental note to wait a few minutes before my next cycle. I’m not sure how long I ended up waiting, but I definitely felt that first puff and just enjoyed that feeling of being nicely baked again.

it has been quite awhile since I was just a weekend vaper. I’ve been really enjoying @CANtalk’s posts lately and may try to follow suit, combining small doses and weekly breaks.

I find myself torn between two strategies I’m considering.

1) go back in a cold turkey break for another 90ish days as @biohacker discusses. This is the method that is well, probably the least fun if I’m being frank. Like anything else, the first few weeks will be the worst of it.

2) scale back using the Sulak method (if I recall correctly it starts with 48-72 hours abstinence, then attempt a few puffs, rinse and repeat.

I guess a third method I could try is to just scale back a little every few days until I become acclimated to smaller amounts. I haven’t weighed or measured my herb to track my amounts per day. - while this could seem to be the easiest method since it would still involve daily use, this would probably be the least effective of the strategies that I’ve considered.

Sorry if my post feels like it’s leading off the track of the thread, for me things like microdosing, canna breaks, and chasing that feeling of the first high all seem like neighbors that are borrowing eggs and sugar from each other.

 

[CANtalk]

That's really cool and great to hear @virtualpurple !

Cannabis is great and many of us have overindulged. It's so seductive. I've been vaping for over 5 years now.

I'd suggest that if a "big experience" like the old days appeals to you then it's absolutely worth taking a break ; you will not be disappointed . Physiology research shows that cellular chemical receptors in human cells take about four weeks to resensitize when homeostasis has been interrupted by medicines and drugs that act upon those systems. Resensitization happens by receptor upregulation/downregulation. Such medicines/drugs/substances act on the cellular chemical receptor system in different ways... and can be additive, synergistic or antagonistic. Bodyfat can affect T-break physiology/pharmacology too but I find it's a much more minor input and I'll leave it at that.

So ideally I'd recommend a four week cannabis break to allow that physiological receptor process to fully cycle and complete itself. As mentioned by others here, some people need more time but I'd start with that as it's a much easier break to handle (we all love the herb here ). Even a 15 day break can be impressive if 28-30 days is too much; I had a 15 day break months back now, for the first time in a long time, with excellent results .
And when you start again, also go to just-weekend use . That's a very good place to start from when trying to lower your tolerance and limit/control it. And adjust from there as necessary depending on your own personal results (seeing where it goes week to week). From there it can then absolutely be both incremental (a slow adjustment) and rewarding (potent). For sure the first experience after any break (even a four day break in my experience) is always best so include that in your planning .

The Sulak method does look very appealing too . There is no "correct" answer... see what appeals to you most and give it a shot.

When you realize you don't have a healthy personal relationship with cannabis, then I find a person is 90% of the way to fixing it so congratulations! It's the most important step as it's the first step. And that recognition is strong incentive to make some short term changes (which are easier to digest), and it's easier to better manage the cannabis relationship because the end results are also bigger experiences and stronger highs which is what people in this thread want. It's positive reinforcement and that's a great thing .

Medical users often have other priorities understandably.
Hope that info helps and please share your experiences and thoughts here on FC, it's much appreciated here too .

@FabulatorPoeta... yet now i'm seeing things in a new light, and finally have awaken to the respect that you micro dosers give to certain vapes.

Cool to hear and I really appreciate that feedback . A vape that is excellent at microdosing makes all the difference . I really like temp stepping as well. I find low temp vaping enhances the cerebral aspects which is what I enjoy most. Higher temps bring in the body affects and physical relaxation. Having a vape that can do both and being able to fine tune the experience to personal preference is great . And I enjoy variety (I change up the experience from time to time) so it's great to have a vape that has temp selection and thus brings the temp stepping option and effects.





As a follow-up to my recent posts, I did two ELBs last night (the first is the earlier picture and the second one was even less cannabis as I continue to lower my doses slowly week after week) and I was going for 11 hours before I went to bed (late, and still high). It was a potent experience . It's crazy how effective these small amounts of quality cannabis are and how big the experiences become . Even if you need more cannabis, in combination with managing tolerance and taking regular cannabis breaks I can happily report that big experiences await . Good luck and enjoy your own cannabis journey; may everyone find their healthy balance . Cheers.

 

[Krazy]

I've just got a KP-1 Rosin Press and I'm intending to produce some rosin from my homegrown flowers in a couple of hours, that I will (for the first time ever) try tonight with my Flowerpot Showerhead.

Welcome to The Dark Side; have a cookie!

 

[TheFatBastard]

Well, I finally tried dabbing last night.

The high is powerful, is like taking a couple of bowls in a single draw, but I guess that it is not what I was expecting, talking about the kind of high I was searching.Guess my searching for that old first time high has more to see with my brain and the experience than in the method or flower dosage. Guess my brain already knows what the high is like and is not as surprised as the first time for some inputs like music, ligth, watching a movie while high....

Still cool anyway, enjoyed a very good and powerful high and, though it is not like my first experiences with cannabis, is still very enjoyable.