Why can't I get the same "high" than I used to get?

[beyond6strings]

I had been wondering about the question this thread poses for a couple of years. Maybe longer. And I started questioning it before I started vaping full time.

For me the answer has been found in adding CBD flower to my cannabis use. I started this in November of last year. I get my CBD flower from Tweedle Farms and it has changed my life. I've seen my anxiety and depression fall away, and the tendinitis that had knocked me off the concert stage started to abate.

Now, 4 months later I'll be celebrating the release of my newest album with a concert-something I didn't think possible even three months ago.

I start my day with a cup of coffee and a stem from my Solo I filled with CBD flower; I have Suver Haze, Pine Berry, and Morningstar strains. If I've got all the work done I need to by mid afternoon I'll mix some cannabis and CBD flower together and sip on a stem from my Lil' Bud with about .2g over the course of a couple of hours, and I'll do that a couple of more times during the afternoon and evening.

But about 8 or 9 I stop using cannabis and have a CBD nightcap. Sleep has always been hard for me, but I can honestly say I've gotten the best sleep of my life since November.

I started vaporizing full-time a year and a half ago, and as many of you know this generally resulted in a reduction in consumption. I went from an ounce a month to about 1/2 a month, and now it's even less than that, about 1/4-3/8 per month plus using about the same amount or a little more of CBD flower.

And as I child of the late 60's and early 70's the effects from a blend of CBD & Cannabis with THC is much closer to the good weed we'd get back the day: Thai Stick and Maui Wowie, even hash.

And for those two to three times a week when I use straight cannabis with THC and no CBD, man, it's like the first time after a T-break. And I enjoy that more now too.

 

[Ricardo]

For me the answer has been found in adding CBD flower to my cannabis use.

Amazing! I was gifted some high CBD/zero THC last Friday - first time ever to try it. I made a point of asking the name.....and promptly forgot it . I didn't have high expectations but this definitely relaxes body and mind. I have used it alone and also mixed up with other, no-name weed. Totally agree with Ken on this. I'm happy to vape 0% THC at any time of day - or before moving on to more potent stuff. I now have a new contact and I hope to be getting real weed with real names and demonstrable effects. But I'll definitely be looking for high CBD varieties in future

 

[CANtalk]

This thread is a common topic from what I've seen over the years and it's always an interesting topic, with at times variable experiences. I'm fine with calling it a build up of tolerance, one can deep dive a more detailed explanation but that's good enough for me.

Cannabis effects different people differently, still tolerance is generally a well known physiological effect from consistent substance use, including cannabis. It inherently makes sense to me but I have college senior level coursework in physiology and neurophysiology (I still remember the science and general effects from consistent substance use <be it medicinal or recreational>). It's why many medications have instructions advising against use for any longer than 2-4 weeks.

I myself have experienced different tolerances to cannabis over the years, up and down depending on use. I am happy to report that I've been good at managing my tolerance and my biggest and best highs have been in the last few years from vaping (consistently repeatable too); it's been great. Most recently I have moved into microdosing (from higher amounts) and am really impressed with the potency and strong effects still . Good luck and enjoy your own cannabis journey; may everyone find their balance .

 

[TheFatBastard]

This thread is a common topic from what I've seen over the years and it's always an interesting topic, with at times variable experiences. I'm fine with calling it a build up of tolerance, one can deep dive a more detailed explanation but that's good enough for me.

Cannabis effects different people differently, still tolerance is generally a well known physiological effect from consistent substance use, including cannabis. It inherently makes sense to me but I have college senior level coursework in physiology and neurophysiology (I still remember the science and general effects from consistent substance use <be it medicinal or recreational>). It's why many medications have instructions advising against use for any longer than 2-4 weeks.

I myself have experienced different tolerances to cannabis over the years, up and down depending on use. I am happy to report that I've been good at managing my tolerance and my biggest and best highs have been in the last few years from vaping (consistently repeatable too); it's been great. Most recently I have moved into microdosing (from higher amounts) and am really impressed with the potency and strong effects still . Good luck and enjoy your own cannabis journey; may everyone find their balance .

Thanks for your post!

Do you have any tips to achieve again those "big highs", like the first vaping highs?

Any tips also on microdosing?

 

[C No Ego]

Thanks for your post!

Do you have any tips to achieve again those "big highs", like the first vaping highs?

Any tips also on microdosing?

Meditate to increase awareness.... more awareness more high... less aware people are Not that High

 

[EverythingsHazy]

Thanks for your post!

Do you have any tips to achieve again those "big highs", like the first vaping highs?

Any tips also on microdosing?

Here are some things that can make a high feel stronger:
1. An empty stomach (aside from water... stay hydrated!)
2. Meditating prior to your session, to clear your mind.
3. Being fully sober and clear (a cold shower helps get rid of existing grogginess). This increases the contrast you'll feel when transitioning from sober to buzzed.
4. Consuming your dose within 10-15 minutes. If you take longer, tolerance seems to set in, and you can end up hitting a point where you are just maintaining the buzz, due to diminishing returns.
5. Breathing exercises (4-7-8 technique is a strong one) BE CAREFUL and dont do this while driving, biking, skating, etc.. Your vision can spazz out for a few seconds, sometimes. ry it sober, first. 3-4 cycles of 4-7-8 breathing can produce a mild, short lasting buzz, that feels similar to a hit or two of Cannabis.
6. Lowering your tolerance!!! This is the biggest one. If you have a high tolerance, you will notice the psychedelic aspects of Cannabis use start to disappear before anything else. It isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you want to stay functional while buzzed but if you want to get stoned and melt in to the couch, tolerance can be a pain.

Even if you don't want to take a ful on CannaBreak (which there is a thread about if interested), reducing your consumption to once a day, and to about 0.1g - 0.2g for that one session, can start to lower your tolerance within a few days. After several back to back light usage days, you should start to notice some of the more trippy effects sneaking back in.

As enjoyable as all of these things may be to do while stoned, showering, eating, and working out, all seem to shorten the duration of your buzz.

Getting in a great workout, washing up with a hot shower and ending with a minute of cold water, seems to really sober you up, and can make the contrast between your sober state and your buzz that much more noticeable and enjoyable.

 

[Madri-Gal]

Here are some things that can make a high feel stronger:
1. An empty stomach (aside from water... stay hydrated!)
2. Meditating prior to your session, to clear your mind.
3. Being fully sober and clear (a cold shower helps get rid of existing grogginess). This increases the contrast you'll feel when transitioning from sober to buzzed.
4. Consuming your dose within 10-15 minutes. If you take longer, tolerance seems to set in, and you can end up hitting a point where you are just maintaining the buzz, due to diminishing returns.
5. Breathing exercises (4-7-8 technique is a strong one) BE CAREFUL and dont do this while driving, biking, skating, etc.. Your vision can spazz out for a few seconds, sometimes. ry it sober, first. 3-4 cycles of 4-7-8 breathing can produce a mild, short lasting buzz, that feels similar to a hit or two of Cannabis.
6. Lowering your tolerance!!! This is the biggest one. If you have a high tolerance, you will notice the psychedelic aspects of Cannabis use start to disappear before anything else. It isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you want to stay functional while buzzed but if you want to get stoned and melt in to the couch, tolerance can be a pain.

Even if you don't want to take a ful on CannaBreak (which there is a thread about if interested), reducing your consumption to once a day, and to about 0.1g - 0.2g for that one session, can start to lower your tolerance within a few days. After several back to back light usage days, you should start to notice some of the more trippy effects sneaking back in.

As enjoyable as all of these things may be to do while stoned, showering, eating, and working out, all seem to shorten the duration of your buzz.

Getting in a great workout, washing up with a hot shower and ending with a minute of cold water, seems to really sober you up, and can make the contrast between your sober state and your buzz that much more noticeable and enjoyable.

Excellent suggestions, @EverythingsHazy . Many good points. Thank you.

 

[CANtalk]

Thx @TheFatBastard . Happy to help. @EverythingsHazy has many excellent suggestions to help too! In concert with EverythingsHazy's feedback, here's some additional information and considerations.

To go back to the best high and experience with a seasoned cannabis user I first recommend going on a full reset T-break for anyone who's built up significant tolerance. It's generally recommended to do a continuous 30 day absence with no sampling of cannabis or its constituents; this is generally accepted as the length of time to reset neurotransmitter/receptor dynamics back to normal homeostatic levels and mechanisms. Some people, if taking a 30 day break will stretch it longer with an absence of 35, 40, 45 even 60 days to make sure they've really cleaned up their system (remember, fat in the body can be store repositories for lipophilic cannabis compounds). A 30 day break worth it if you want to reset your cannabis experience.

For most people, the best high is the first cannabis experience after a break. I always plan for a top notch experience when doing it for the first time after a break. Every time after that without a break will result in less effects. The endocrine neurotransmitter/receptor system adapts quickly. Doing cannabis daily can significantly increase a person's tolerance.

I recommend taking regular cannabis breaks once you have reset your THC tolerance as well, to keep your tolerance in check and keep the experiences big. Try different lengths of breaks to see how your tolerance is, acts and reacts. See what works for you. For me, I don't vape Mon-Thur, then have been Fri-Sun. Four days off then three days vaping. For me, that has kept my tolerance in check and from climbing. In fact, I've been lowering my doses and my tolerance seems to be going down as well during that routine. If I use cannabis more often my tolerance goes up, and it can go up fast. I may lower my use to two days vaping if I further wish to further adjust my cannabis use. Again, that first day use after even these short breaks are the best experience. Doing this I haven't needed to take any more extended T-breaks. And I get huge experiences the first day after a four day break in this routine. See what works for you. YMMV.

Beyond the suggestions mentioned earlier, I recommend using a premium vaporizer with high efficiency. With the really good vaporizers one can really dial in the experience to personal preferences. Plus get and use quality cannabis. I have a number of strains and I know which sources/growers and batches are the most potent and use them first and foremost. Find a good and potent strain/batch. I've posted some quality nugs and discussed them here, http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/whats-in-your-vape-right-now.20710/. I like my potent lightly frosty sativa and indica nugs in the 20% THC range or so. YMMV.

I find sativa strains are consistently best sampled before indica strains. Over and over I've found I don't get cerebral stimulation from sativas near as much when I vape them after indicas. YMMV.

I try not to be on a full stomach when I first vape.

I have a pretty defined vaping routine. Here it is if it helps. I start by vaping my fresh flower at 320 F and get huge effects. Heating soaking a vape some help with small microdosing amounts. I find especially stimulating and strong cerebral effects from sativa strains. (there is the whole temp-dependent discussion around vaporization effects, http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vaporization-temperature-dependent-selection-of-effects.1637/). I personally take comfortable long draws up to 15 seconds in length with a 10 second hold time before exhaling. I prep by being at a sitting rest and then doing a few deep full inhales and exhales to get ready for a long slow vape draw. There's not much rest between the three draws, 15 seconds to a minute or so. I do these low temp draws dry for flavor but YMMV. It takes me 2-4 hours before I vape again. I do the second session on the same flower @ 380 F wet (bong or hydratube) and the amount and length of draws depends on the volume of flower. I typically inspect the flower to finish the AVB where I want. No more steps or heat for me. YMMV.




Check out Dr. Sulak on Youtube for good cannabis dose and microdosing info. He's got a number of great and informative videos. For example,

https://healer.com/programs/sensitization-protocol/

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2yoeJpEk1t1ewIMQU7i_LQ/videos

For microdosing I have been going slowly down in bowl size so that I don't really notice a big difference in the experience and over time I've decreased my amounts 60%-80% or more . If doing a long T break I'd recommend considering a smaller amount of cannabis than one normally does for that first use, and see how it goes. I was able to do that and continue to use the smaller amounts through the rest of my cannabis vaping through the weekend, and then I took another weekly four day break (starting over again with an even lower dose). Maybe try 50% of normal. Don't really worry if it doesn't get you where you want to be. Take a 3-5 day break and try things again with a different amount. I was lowering my amounts used over the weekend after every four day day weekly break, bit by bit, week by week.

Hope that helps. Sorry it's so long. Cheers and good luck .

 

[TheFatBastard]

Even if you don't want to take a ful on CannaBreak (which there is a thread about if interested), reducing your consumption to once a day, and to about 0.1g - 0.2g for that one session, can start to lower your tolerance within a few days. After several back to back light usage days, you should start to notice some of the more trippy effects sneaking back in.

As enjoyable as all of these things may be to do while stoned, showering, eating, and working out, all seem to shorten the duration of your buzz.

Getting in a great workout, washing up with a hot shower and ending with a minute of cold water, seems to really sober you up, and can make the contrast between your sober state and your buzz that much more noticeable and enjoyable.

Thanks for all the tips!

I only vape on weekends, but yes, what I've lost is the psychedelic effects of the high. Even vaping 2 days and having 5 days without consuming, doesn't bring back those awesome psychedelics effects, specially when listening to music or watching a live concert. I'm a musician myself and love to write and play with that psychedelic vibe of the cannabis.

And, YES!!! I use to run 5 miles, then have a cold shower, relax and vaping while listening to a vinyl.That enchances the experience for sure!

I need to try the microdosing for lowering tolerance (though I usually vape 0,25g for session), the thing about a Cannabreak (already did it a couple of times) is that you only get one or two sessions with that psychedelic effects after the break.

Only did for 15 days, maybe I should try a whole month, but I'm pretty sure that tolerance builds up fast, not like the first time ever vaping.

Thx @TheFatBastard . Happy to help. @EverythingsHazy has many excellent suggestions to help too! In concert with EverythingsHazy's feedback, here's some additional information and considerations.

To go back to the best high and experience with a seasoned cannabis user I first recommend going on a full reset T-break for anyone who's built up significant tolerance. It's generally recommended to do a continuous 30 day absence with no sampling of cannabis or its constituents; this is generally accepted as the length of time to reset neurotransmitter/receptor dynamics back to normal homeostatic levels and mechanisms. Some people, if taking a 30 day break will stretch it longer with an absence of 35, 40, 45 even 60 days to make sure they've really cleaned up their system (remember, fat in the body can be store repositories for lipophilic cannabis compounds). A 30 day break worth it if you want to reset your cannabis experience.

For most people, the best high is the first cannabis experience after a break. I always plan for a top notch experience when doing it for the first time after a break. Every time after that without a break will result in less effects. The endocrine neurotransmitter/receptor system adapts quickly. Doing cannabis daily can significantly increase a person's tolerance.

I recommend taking regular cannabis breaks once you have reset your THC tolerance as well, to keep your tolerance in check and keep the experiences big. Try different lengths of breaks to see how your tolerance is, acts and reacts. See what works for you. For me, I don't vape Mon-Thur, then have been Fri-Sun. Four days off then three days vaping. For me, that has kept my tolerance in check and from climbing. In fact, I've been lowering my doses and my tolerance seems to be going down as well during that routine. If I use cannabis more often my tolerance goes up, and it can go up fast. I may lower my use to two days vaping if I further wish to further adjust my cannabis use. Again, that first day use after even these short breaks are the best experience. Doing this I haven't needed to take any more extended T-breaks. And I get huge experiences the first day after a four day break in this routine. See what works for you. YMMV.

Beyond the suggestions mentioned earlier, I recommend using a premium vaporizer with high efficiency. With the really good vaporizers one can really dial in the experience to personal preferences. Plus get and use quality cannabis. I have a number of strains and I know which sources/growers and batches are the most potent and use them first and foremost. Find a good and potent strain/batch. I've posted some quality nugs and discussed them here, http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/whats-in-your-vape-right-now.20710/. I like my potent lightly frosty sativa and indica nugs in the 20% THC range or so. YMMV.

I find sativa strains are consistently best sampled before indica strains. Over and over I've found I don't get cerebral stimulation from sativas near as much when I vape them after indicas. YMMV.

I try not to be on a full stomach when I first vape.

I have a pretty defined vaping routine. Here it is if it helps. I start by vaping my fresh flower at 320 F and get huge effects. Heating soaking a vape some help with small microdosing amounts. I find especially stimulating and strong cerebral effects from sativa strains. (there is the whole temp-dependent discussion around vaporization effects, http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vaporization-temperature-dependent-selection-of-effects.1637/). I personally take comfortable long draws up to 15 seconds in length with a 10 second hold time before exhaling. I prep by being at a sitting rest and then doing a few deep full inhales and exhales to get ready for a long slow vape draw. There's not much rest between the three draws, 15 seconds to a minute or so. I do these low temp draws dry for flavor but YMMV. It takes me 2-4 hours before I vape again. I do the second session on the same flower @ 380 F wet (bong or hydratube) and the amount and length of draws depends on the volume of flower. I typically inspect the flower to finish the AVB where I want. No more steps or heat for me. YMMV.




Check out Dr. Sulak on Youtube for good cannabis dose and microdosing info. He's got a number of great and informative videos. For example,

https://healer.com/programs/sensitization-protocol/

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2yoeJpEk1t1ewIMQU7i_LQ/videos

For microdosing I have been going slowly down in bowl size so that I don't really notice a big difference in the experience and over time I've decreased my amounts 60%-80% or more . If doing a long T break I'd recommend considering a smaller amount of cannabis than one normally does for that first use, and see how it goes. I was able to do that and continue to use the smaller amounts through the rest of my cannabis vaping through the weekend, and then I took another weekly four day break (starting over again with an even lower dose). Maybe try 50% of normal. Don't really worry if it doesn't get you where you want to be. Take a 3-5 day break and try things again with a different amount. I was lowering my amounts used over the weekend after every four day day weekly break, bit by bit, week by week.

Hope that helps. Sorry it's so long. Cheers and good luck .

Thanks, great tips also!

I vape like you do, mainly friday/saturday/sunday. I used to vap with an Extreme Q, my first highs were simply amazing. After 3 months or something like that, I didn't feel that psychedelics highs anymore, so bought a Flowerpot Twax chasing those first highs....excellent vaporizer, but it wasn't a vape problem, guess it was just my tolerance.

I grow my own strains, and have like 8 different kind of flowers to choose, so I guess the material is not a problem, or so say my friends Love sativas mainly, and have also some good indicas.

I'll check the videos later, sure they have som einteresting tips.

Guess the key is having a good Cannabreak and lowering dosage, I have to try microdosing with 0.10 or so and see where that takes me, and maybe, once a week, have a session with 0,5g, so you can have a bigger/better high.

 

[invertedisdead]

I need to try the microdosing for lowering tolerance (though I usually vape 0,25g for session), the thing about a Cannabreak (already did it a couple of times) is that you only get one or two sessions with that psychedelic effects after the break.

If you do the math comparing vaporizing and combustion you'll find that it's very difficult to properly microdose with a vaporizer. They are too efficient at delivering cannabinoids.

"Dr. Sulak recommends starting with just one milligram, two to three times a day. If that doesn’t seem to be working, increase to two milligrams, and so on. About 90% of people will be able to microdose between one to five milligrams of THC, Dr. Sulak says. “But some people may have built a tolerance through recreational use, or have a natural tolerance,” he says. If that’s the case, a microdose might even be as high as 10 milligrams."

Just a .05g bowl of only 10% THC cannabis would contain 17.5mg of THC. Granted the vaporizer is not 100% efficient, but still, that's over 3x the dosage that Sulak suggests. And that's a pretty small bowl of fairly mild herb by todays options.

I kept wondering why chronic pain patients I observe can actually note superior effects with combustion over vaporizing, and I now believe it may be the inefficiencies of combustion actually triggering an acute therapeutic dose that would be hard to achieve with a vaporizer.

Project CBD: It’s a little bit counter-intuitive in a way because you think if something’s not working you want to use more. But we know about the biphasic effect, which would suggest that maybe that’s not the way to approach it. What is the biphasic effect and why is it important for a cannabis clinician and a patient to keep that in mind?

Sulak: Great question. A lot of us think more equals more in our lives. But we know that’s not always the case. And it’s certainly not the case with cannabis, based on what I’ve observed in my patients, and also based on animal and human data from research, shows that – so the biphasic effect refers to a dose response curve. If we were to plot, we give someone a certain dose, what’s their response; we give them a higher dose, do they have a higher response; an even higher dose, they have an even higher response. But then, we give them a higher dose and the response goes down; a higher dose and the response goes down again. So we have this bell-shaped curve. And it’s that optimal dose that I’m talking about which is right in the center, the peak of that curve, and once you go more you’re actually going to get less of a response.

 

[CANtalk]

If you do the math comparing vaporizing and combustion you'll find that it's very difficult to properly microdose with a vaporizer. They are too efficient at delivering cannabinoids.

"Dr. Sulak recommends starting with just one milligram, two to three times a day. If that doesn’t seem to be working, increase to two milligrams, and so on. About 90% of people will be able to microdose between one to five milligrams of THC, Dr. Sulak says. “But some people may have built a tolerance through recreational use, or have a natural tolerance,” he says. If that’s the case, a microdose might even be as high as 10 milligrams."

Just a .05g bowl of only 10% THC cannabis would contain 17.5mg of THC. Granted the vaporizer is not 100% efficient, but still, that's over 3x the dosage that Sulak suggests. And that's a pretty small bowl of fairly mild herb by todays options.

I kept wondering why chronic pain patients I observe can actually note superior effects with combustion over vaporizing, and I now believe it may be the inefficiencies of combustion actually triggering an acute therapeutic dose that would be hard to achieve with a vaporizer.

Project CBD: It’s a little bit counter-intuitive in a way because you think if something’s not working you want to use more. But we know about the biphasic effect, which would suggest that maybe that’s not the way to approach it. What is the biphasic effect and why is it important for a cannabis clinician and a patient to keep that in mind?

Sulak: Great question. A lot of us think more equals more in our lives. But we know that’s not always the case. And it’s certainly not the case with cannabis, based on what I’ve observed in my patients, and also based on animal and human data from research, shows that – so the biphasic effect refers to a dose response curve. If we were to plot, we give someone a certain dose, what’s their response; we give them a higher dose, do they have a higher response; an even higher dose, they have an even higher response. But then, we give them a higher dose and the response goes down; a higher dose and the response goes down again. So we have this bell-shaped curve. And it’s that optimal dose that I’m talking about which is right in the center, the peak of that curve, and once you go more you’re actually going to get less of a response.

Biphasic effects are common with qualitative response measurements, such as therapeutic measurements. It's a good reminder not to overdo it. A 0.05g cannabis amount is 50 mg, and a 10% THC content will result in 0.005 grams or 5 mg of THC.

I tend to use the estimate that vaping cannabis is around 50% more efficient than combustion, aka around ~50 % more dose of THC. This calculator is a reasonable start for an estimate. I don't care so much about using the correct strains in that calculator, it's about the THC content (%) of the strain that is used in the calculations. https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-weed-101-thc-calculator/

 

[invertedisdead]

A 0.05g cannabis amount is 50 mg, and a 10% THC content will result in 0.005 grams or 5 mg of THC.

Whoops you're right, that is my error, I was measuring off of the entire 8th because I've been trying to factor in daily thresholds.
3500mg @ 10% THC = 350mg THC x.05 = 17.5mg because I forgot to factor in the plant material dilution. 5mg is correct.

I tend to use the estimate that vaping cannabis is around 50% more efficient than combustion, aka around ~50 % more dose of THC. This calculator is a reasonable start for an estimate. I don't care so much about using the correct strains, it's about the THC content (%) of the strain that is used in the calculator. https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-weed-101-thc-calculator/

I believe Russo cited 7% efficiency on a joint
7% of 5mg would be .35mg of THC - extremely acute dosages when combusting.

 

[C No Ego]

Biphasic effects are common with qualitative response measurements, such as therapeutic measurements. It's a good reminder not to overdo it. A 0.05g cannabis amount is 50 mg, and a 10% THC content will result in 0.005 grams or 5 mg of THC.

I tend to use the estimate that vaping cannabis is around 50% more efficient than combustion, aka around ~50 % more dose of THC. This calculator is a reasonable start for an estimate. I don't care so much about using the correct strains, it's about the THC content (%) of the strain that is used in the calculator. https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-weed-101-thc-calculator/

each strain has a different terpene profile and each of those volatile sesquiterpene agents in conjunction with the heavier monoterpene cannabinoid ligand will present a somewhat different form of metabolic response albeit subtle. THC or CBD usually dictate the pathways mostly as they engage directly the protein receptors while the volatile terpenes retain the halflife possibilities to a greater extent
Edit - great reading on that = beta caryophylene is a dietary cannabinoid https://duckduckgo.com/?q=beta+caryophylene+is+a+dietary+cannabinoid&t=ffcm&atb=v165-1&ia=web

Whoops you're right, that is my error, I was measuring off of the entire 8th.
3500mg @ 10% THC = 350mg THC x.05 = 17.5mg but I forgot to factor in the plant material dilution.



I believe Russo cited 7% efficiency on a joint.

Damn 7 % LOL man that aint hittin on much

 

[3dfx-glide]

I believe Russo cited 7% efficiency on a joint
7% of 5mg would be .35mg of THC - extremely acute dosages when combusting.

Smoking, whether using a joint, bong or a bowl, results in more THC loss when inhaled — typically between 60 to 63 percent. A vaporizerloses about 46 percent.

about 40% efficiency for joints? and I'd say 50% efficiency on vaporizers sound good. Sure.

Keep in mind not all the THC is absorbed by your lungs. 5mg smoked/vaped at 100% efficiency doesn't mean your body absorbed the entire 5mg. May absorb only half of that, maybe less, who knows depending on your body and how specifically you inhaled etc

Plus putting .4g in a joint doesn't mean you'll smoke it all, right? There will be a difference if you chain smoked it, vs taking a hit and waiting before redosing, and letting the THC fizzle out of the joint slowly due to latent and ongoing combustion

how long you hold it and how slowly you exhale and how much you take at one time may or may not have a difference too. There's a lot of variables that go into calculating these things

Not to mention personal tolerance. 7mg for someone who uses THC only once a month is going to get a hella more balled than one who does daily

At the end of the day you just can't tell how much THC you ingested in numbers, accurately. Even if a strain you bought at a dispensary claims 21% THC, that's just one sample they submitted probably, so what you picked up might be 15%. Might be 25%. That plays a big difference

So, only way that really matters is to take it low and slow like Sulak recommends. 1 hit, be it vape or joint or whatever. See how you feel, re-dose after some minutes. It's about the results - the way you feel, and not about some arbitrary number. No?

I can tell you from experience I can load .03g (smallest bowl size) in my VapCap, take 1-2 hits, and I feel great. But greed often overtakes me and I end up vaping .05g or so when really those 1-2 initial hits do most of the magic.

Mind you I'm a daily microdoser so have some tolerance built up. Typically vape .03g in the morning, .05g in the noon, and two .07g bowls at night. By the following morning my tolerance drops to .03g again. My strains are advertised as 16-24% for the most part. So I figure it's probably about 3mg THC in the morning, 5mg THC in the noob and 7-14mg THC at night for a total of ~20mg thc/day

But you just have to lower your tolerance for this. If you vape .5g every day, then trying one hit off .03g probably won't do anything for you. Give up? No. Just try following Sulak's protocol or better yet consume .03g x3 a day (or whatever you're comfortable with or your vape is compatible with) regardless of how little it does for you, and after some days they will be more and more effective as your body's tolerance lowers

 

[started@52]

I always wondered if six smaller hits would be more effective at net delivery then three huge rips.

 

[3dfx-glide]

I always wondered if six smaller hits would be more effective at net delivery then three huge rips.

Why not try? I find it is more effective. Less jitters and anxiety, and if you space them out the effects seem to last a bit longer. It's just more pleasant and calm, personally, to space out a session rather than trying to get the same amount of THC all in at the same time

If I want to get nicely ripped what I do is load my vapcap and take 2-3 hits relatively quickly one after the other and I start feeling great, and then I take another hit farther apart, say 15 minutes, then another hit 25 min after that, etc. Feels a lot better than doing bowl after bowl in my vapcap super fast through water

 

[CANtalk]

Thanks for all the tips!
I only vape on weekends, but yes, what I've lost is the psychedelic effects of the high. Even vaping 2 days and having 5 days without consuming, doesn't bring back those awesome psychedelics effects, specially when listening to music or watching a live concert. I'm a musician myself and love to write and play with that psychedelic vibe of the cannabis.

And, YES!!! I use to run 5 miles, then have a cold shower, relax and vaping while listening to a vinyl.That enchances the experience for sure!

I need to try the microdosing for lowering tolerance (though I usually vape 0,25g for session), the thing about a Cannabreak (already did it a couple of times) is that you only get one or two sessions with that psychedelic effects after the break.

Only did for 15 days, maybe I should try a whole month, but I'm pretty sure that tolerance builds up fast, not like the first time ever vaping.

Thanks, great tips also!

I vape like you do, mainly friday/saturday/sunday. I used to vap with an Extreme Q, my first highs were simply amazing. After 3 months or something like that, I didn't feel that psychedelics highs anymore, so bought a Flowerpot Twax chasing those first highs....excellent vaporizer, but it wasn't a vape problem, guess it was just my tolerance.


I grow my own strains, and have like 8 different kind of flowers to choose, so I guess the material is not a problem, or so say my friends Love sativas mainly, and have also some good indicas.

I'll check the videos later, sure they have som einteresting tips.

Guess the key is having a good Cannabreak and lowering dosage, I have to try microdosing with 0.10 or so and see where that takes me, and maybe, once a week, have a session with 0,5g, so you can have a bigger/better high.

Sorry about the delay (been away). Nice ! You're right on the tolerance buildup and its effects; people experience cannabis differently, including in amounts/magnitudes. The human body has a multitude of significant homeostatic mechanisms, adapting relatively quickly. There are a number of variables that may help you to get more consistent psychedelic effects or at least more ongoing repeatable experiences with psychedelic effects... maybe lowering your dose more over time will help, or by having a cannabis reset, or by taking a longer break week to week, or a combination of those things.

You may reasonably end up with some experiences more psychedelic than others just because it has to be that way develop your own optimal cannabis pattern and healthy lifestyle. See what happens and works for best for you. I'd recommend to continue to analytically adjust your routines and amounts over time and see how and where it goes for experiences and effects. Keep a record or memory of the details so you can recall your progress and results. As mentioned, I had success slowly lowering my dose between the weekly breaks to lower my tolerance and get a better overall balance. Try that and see how it goes.

FWIW, the odd big session from time to time with otherwise small usage and breaks will likely appeal to you. My big sessions for a number of months were a 0.5 - 0.7 g fresh flower load immediately after the weekly break; it definitely took me places . I'd supplant that with another fresh load (less amount) before the end of the night as well (definitely not microdosing). From there the doses went up from day to day for the rest of the weekend. The next day I'd do some flower and mix in concentrates, but with less intense effects. Sunday I'd mix in flower and edibles and I was in the 70-100 mg THC range for the edible part. I haven't done edibles since I started lowering my cannabis intake some weeks ago, eventually getting into the microdose range. That higher-dosing time was fun but not an optimal nor long-term sustainable cannabis-life balance for me . Still, I want to kiss that dragon once in a blue moon . Different people react differently so see what things and patterns work for you. And let us know how it goes. Good luck!

 

[ejackyou]

Some of you are trying to make this way too complicated

First, look for more proper type strains

Sounds like he's looking for more of a Sativa type High, with a laid back Indica finish

Second, you shouldn't have to use more than 0.150g. to make the trip.

Third, Probably using way too high a temperature, start low, 250F or lower
and take 3 steps up.

You might want to try a couple of pulls @ 423F-430 to finish off.

 

[TheFatBastard]

Some of you are trying to make this way too complicated

First, look for more proper type strains

Sounds like he's looking for more of a Sativa type High, with a laid back Indica finish

Second, you shouldn't have to use more than 0.150g. to make the trip.

Third, Probably using way too high a temperature, start low, 250F or lower
and take 3 steps up.

You might want to try a couple of pulls @ 423F-430 to finish off.

Agree about the amount, is what I've been using lately, even less, but.....250F? Isn't that too low? I thought THC begin to boil around 320F

 

[3dfx-glide]

Yeah idk about that but anecdotally speaking, I had just started using an alcohol burner with my VapCap, and perhaps the flame is of a lower temp but when I heat it up and use my water piece, I get tons of vapor, and 7 heat cycles later I would check the bowl and it's the same color as after the first heat cycle off a single flame torch, meaning golden green. And I got just as high/higher the past 2 days when I've used it

So maybe there's something to lower temps after all?

 

[TheFatBastard]

Well, more than a year after my initial post, I've been experimenting with different doses, different breaks, different strains, different vapes (I own a flowerpot and a V-tower right now), different temperatures.....and I wanted to share with you my experiences and where am I now:

Guess it would be possible to achieve similar effects / similar high as the first time (or when you started vaping in the first sessions) if you take a good cannabreak.

I've only done 2 weeks cannabreaks (three times) and first time vaping after that I experienced very good highs, way better than when stopping vaping from monday to friday as I usually do. As I said, I only vape friday to sunday, for one session at the end of the day.But the highs were not as psychedelic as the first o es, I'm searching for that "hearing things" , even seeing images and close your eyes to feel all that lay here figures, etc. Didn't achieve it 100% but guess I was getting close.

I've just started a 3 weeks cannabreak and see how it goes, but I've also found that I LOVE vaping every weekend, and I don't really know if the cannabreaks are really worth it for me since I don't vape that much and I don't have (guess) a big tolerance.

I can enjoy very good highs from weekend to weekend, and I'm learning to use less and less, almost microdosing, and though I still want to achieve that firsts highs, guess is not worth it if I have to stay 3 or 4 weeks without vaping to get that special high just the first 2 or 3 sessions after the Cannabreak, after that, is gone....

My goal now is to stop for 3 weeks (given my weekend use and little quantity guess that's a good reset) and then, try to keep my tolerance low from weekend to weekend.

Guess that will improve the quality of my highs and will not build tolerance, which would decrease it.

I grown my own weed, and I have as many flowers as I want, so is not a matter of quantity, I could burn 1g in one sessions and not be a problem, but guess it would not improve my high and would build up tolerance that would make my weekend highs less psychedelics, less fun.

I mainly vape listening to vinyls, or watching live concerts in TV, even playing and writing songs, and guess I want to give priority to very nice good highs than a lot of them. I vaped everyday for two weeks on my holidays, and though it was fun to indulge yourself everyday, it became a little boring and the effects were less and less intense day after day, so I guess vaping everyday is not a good option for me, as it is not to vape once every 3 weeks searching for that "first time high".

So I guess my ideal routine would be to take a good break (3 weeks as I'm doing) and then start with very low doses having 4/5 days break weekly (just like Dr. Sulak says in his videos), low temperatures, around 160/180 celsius, and fresh sativa strains. Maybe I'll use a little more in my first session after the Cannabreak and see if I can get "superhigh", but I don't know if that is a good idea, maybe I'd ruin the whole cannabreak in just one session.....

I would appreciate any advices and tips if any of you have been in a similar situation or is aiming for the same effects I do, get really good highs from weekend to weekend.Or simply if you have some good i fo to share.

Dude, I love listening to that album stone sober, but it's amazing when I'm high. I love listening to music when I'm vaping. I love getting a mixture of live and studio music in my listening session, but some albums are worth listening to straight through from start to finish, and this is one. I love listening to Disintegration start to finish as well.
Cannabis makes everything better for me, so yeah it makes music better, too. The experience, anyway.

I didn't see this post, we totally agree....Disintegration is my favourite album EVER, I can't tell how many times I've listened it from start to end while vaping....wish I could feel the same I felt the first 2 or 3 times I did that...still good when I do, but not as good as it used to be when my tolerance (or experience, or whatever) was lower.

Indeed, the first session after the Cannabreak, would be watching "Show" in the TV or listening to my Disintegration vinyl, that's for sure!

 

[habitat-fc]

Well, more than a year after my initial post, I've been experimenting with different doses, different breaks, different strains, different vapes (I own a flowerpot and a V-tower right now), different temperatures.....and I wanted to share with you my experiences and where am I now:

Guess it would be possible to achieve similar effects / similar high as the first time (or when you started vaping in the first sessions) if you take a good cannabreak.

I've only done 2 weeks cannabreaks (three times) and first time vaping after that I experienced very good highs, way better than when stopping vaping from monday to friday as I usually do. As I said, I only vape friday to sunday, for one session at the end of the day.But the highs were not as psychedelic as the first o es, I'm searching for that "hearing things" , even seeing images and close your eyes to feel all that lay here figures, etc. Didn't achieve it 100% but guess I was getting close.

I've just started a 3 weeks cannabreak and see how it goes, but I've also found that I LOVE vaping every weekend, and I don't really know if the cannabreaks are really worth it for me since I don't vape that much and I don't have (guess) a big tolerance.

I can enjoy very good highs from weekend to weekend, and I'm learning to use less and less, almost microdosing, and though I still want to achieve that firsts highs, guess is not worth it if I have to stay 3 or 4 weeks without vaping to get that special high just the first 2 or 3 sessions after the Cannabreak, after that, is gone....

My goal now is to stop for 3 weeks (given my weekend use and little quantity guess that's a good reset) and then, try to keep my tolerance low from weekend to weekend.

Guess that will improve the quality of my highs and will not build tolerance, which would decrease it.

I grown my own weed, and I have as many flowers as I want, so is not a matter of quantity, I could burn 1g in one sessions and not be a problem, but guess it would not improve my high and would build up tolerance that would make my weekend highs less psychedelics, less fun.

I mainly vape listening to vinyls, or watching live concerts in TV, even playing and writing songs, and guess I want to give priority to very nice good highs than a lot of them. I vaped everyday for two weeks on my holidays, and though it was fun to indulge yourself everyday, it became a little boring and the effects were less and less intense day after day, so I guess vaping everyday is not a good option for me, as it is not to vape once every 3 weeks searching for that "first time high".

So I guess my ideal routine would be to take a good break (3 weeks as I'm doing) and then start with very low doses having 4/5 days break weekly (just like Dr. Sulak says in his videos), low temperatures, around 160/180 celsius, and fresh sativa strains. Maybe I'll use a little more in my first session after the Cannabreak and see if I can get "superhigh", but I don't know if that is a good idea, maybe I'd ruin the whole cannabreak in just one session.....

I would appreciate any advices and tips if any of you have been in a similar situation or is aiming for the same effects I do, get really good highs from weekend to weekend.Or simply if you have some good i fo to share.




I didn't see this post, we totally agree....Disintegration is my favourite album EVER, I can't tell how many times I've listened it from start to end while vaping....wish I could feel the same I felt the first 2 or 3 times I did that...still good when I do, but not as good as it used to be when my tolerance (or experience, or whatever) was lower.

Indeed, the first session after the Cannabreak, would be watching "Show" in the TV or listening to my Disintegration vinyl, that's for sure!

I recommend to grow something with a massive flowering period like Neville's Haze or Oldtimer's Haze and it should help you get the "psychedelic" highs you are after. Strain is by far the most important factor, than probably set and setting, than tolerance and vape used. Strain and setting are the two variables I think that affect the high the most. If you vape a strong strain somewhere where you are not used to being high the effect will be much more powerful IME.

 

[invertedisdead]

Does anybody else notice increased effects from the sun?

I consistently observe interesting modulations from the same strains when I'm soaking up some Vitamin D.

 

[C No Ego]

Does anybody else notice increased effects from the sun?

I consistently observe interesting modulations from the same strains when I'm soaking up some Vitamin D.

as I work in it all day it drains me more than providing energy... the drain is my constant Fuck the sun attitude more likely, like a constant blaring heat source that will not go away unless a cloud comes by... clouds are my friends

 

[invertedisdead]

clouds are my friends