Why can't I get the same "high" than I used to get?

[JBone65]

License expired 8 mos ago, was holding out for recreational approval after the November election, then March, etc.

Applied for renewal 5 weeks ago. Then, blended the last 5-6g of good sativa stash and waited and indulged 16 days. During this entire period I didn't enjoy my strong blend, even though I continued as usual.

Application got REJECTED. Re-applied within a few hours with <2 g of good sativa blend and another 18 days to wait.

Fortunately I had 5-6g forgotten indica previously judged as useless in the vaporizer.

Long story short, a trusted strong sativa blend suddenly wasn't enjoyable for several weeks. Then, after cutting back from "wanna hit" to "needa hit", the same excellent blend, mixed only 1/3 as strong, was excellent weed again.

Once again, less cannabis yields better effects. I don't need a full T-break, but better "highs" come from simply indulging less. This explains why I enjoyed dirt weed so many years. Despite sensory overload, I will probably overindulge anyway..

 

[Haze Mister]

Mixed up about a weeks worth of blue dream, sherbet cookies and tropicana cookies, just a few buds of each.

All three are supposedly sativa dominant hybrids. Wondering how that's possible, because they all have radically different terpene profiles. All three happen to be enjoyable individually, but very satisfying when mixed.

I'd prefer an old school sativa from Mexico (or from further south), but a blend of "modern sativa" can work pretty good IMO.

I keep a list of terpene profiles, not sure it makes much difference. I know my favorite strains often have terpinolene as the dominant strain, those usually aren't sweet.

The blue dream is mild with a nice flavor, with a basic myrcene, pinene and caryophyllene terpene profile. I thought myrcene was prominent in indica, I'm confused.

I think the confusion is because all this blah blah about terpenes and cannabinoids is largely irrelevant scientism. This "knowledge" is developed by people whose intent is to exploit rather than get to know the plants. They are not even aware they are doing it.

There is a tendency in our culture to try to break the natural world apart to pronounce on how it works, and then appear to be knowledgeable, so you can profit, which is the essence of scientism.

The aromas of cannabis come from a complex blend of substances which can be present in both indicas and sativas. There are tendencies, not rules... Both indicas and sativas can produce some shitty smells as well as wonderful aromas. For me, the more aromatic a strain is the more interesitng it is to vape, even if it has a mild effect. You may want to try a different Blue Dream... the one I tried was not just "nice " and the aroma/flavour was not "basic"!

 

[JBone65]

I think the confusion is because all this blah blah about terpenes and cannabinoids is largely irrelevant scientism. This "knowledge" is developed by people whose intent is to exploit rather than get to know the plants. They are not even aware they are doing it.

There is a tendency in our culture to try to break the natural world apart to pronounce on how it works, and then appear to be knowledgeable, so you can profit, which is the essence of scientism.

The aromas of cannabis come from a complex blend of substances which can be present in both indicas and sativas. There are tendencies, not rules... Both indicas and sativas can produce some shitty smells as well as wonderful aromas. For me, the more aromatic a strain is the more interesitng it is to vape, even if it has a mild effect. You may want to try a different Blue Dream... the one I tried was not just "nice " and the aroma/flavour was not "basic"

 

[JBone65]

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[Haze Mister]

sorry if that came across as preaching It wasn't directed at you ! Basically agreeing that checking the terpene profiles doesn't make much difference. I prefer to just smell the stuff
As for the op- I wasn't getting the same high until i switched to ball vapes... now it is generally better and stronger than it used to be.... I think vapes that take a long time to deliver seem to lose their effectiveness/ build up tolerance after a while but a rapid intake always does the trick!

Switching around different strains definitely helps and I have found that some strains are a definite no-no for me. I consider couch-lock strains to have negative effects if used frequently and i actually think of them as low quality cannabis regardless of how much THC they contain..

 

[JBone65]

Rephrased: I screwed up and had to wait another 18 days for my license and only had ~2 g of excellent weed. Turns out, I'm enjoying the same weed a lot more just by spacing out the hits a little. This might only happen with me, but it seems that less weed causes more enjoyment. I think I've always known this, but I like cannabis too much to give it time to work, if that makes any sense. That wasn't a problem 30, 40 or 50 years ago, but I might need willpower to avoid sensory overload in Oklahoma today. We'll see when the license arrives in a few days, hopefully.

 

[CANtalk]

To follow up on some of my old posts here, I still recommend a break followed by a much lower cannabis intake routine for anyone looking for bigger & better highs like they used to get. I'm still getting super big highs through microdosing. 0.050 grams per bowl & ~0.30 grams total vaped per week w/ a multiday break built in as well.

Rephrased: I screwed up and had to wait another 18 days for my license and only had ~2 g of excellent weed. Turns out, I'm enjoying the same weed a lot more just by spacing out the hits a little. This might only happen with me, but it seems that less weed causes more enjoyment. I think I've always known this, but I like cannabis too much to give it time to work, if that makes any sense. That wasn't a problem 30, 40 or 50 years ago, but I might need willpower to avoid sensory overload in Oklahoma today. We'll see when the license arrives in a few days, hopefully.

I've been preaching that less is more for years now with cannabis use, this is the way. The microdosing thread (as you know) is very helpful for anyone looking to improve their cannabis high. Enjoy the fresh cannabis when you get it, it's been great here after spending months getting through my stash.

 

[Old Moderate]

To follow up on some of my old posts here, I still recommend a break followed by a much lower cannabis intake routine for anyone looking for bigger & better highs like they used to get. I'm still getting super big highs through microdosing. 0.050 grams per bowl & ~0.30 grams total vaped per week w/ a multiday break built in as well.


I've been preaching that less is more for years now with cannabis use, this is the way. The microdosing thread (as you know) is very helpful for anyone looking to improve their cannabis high. Enjoy the fresh cannabis when you get it, it's been great here after spending months getting through my stash.

@CANtalk I’m 100% with you this. I’m fully in control of the level of high I get now with 3 days on mostly 4 days off each week and small amounts. I start a bit lower on Friday and bump up amounts a bit over Saturday and Sunday and have been able to nail the experience I want. An occasional weekday indulgence is also fine and doesn’t mess it up. I also have moved to 1:1 bud or mixing type 1 and 3, in both cases using double the amount and that has been wonderful. Then if I want to sail off to the moon, I can just move back to all type 1 for a sesh.

 

[JBone65]

Finally renewed my license. Bought an ounce of classic Super Silver Haze, 25% THC, a popular sativa dominant hybrid for ~25 years, descended from northern lights #5 x skunk.

There are ~4776 ads for (supposedly) sativa and hybrid ounces in the OKC area, but strong classic sativas are harder to find and always more expensive.

For example I bought a split ounce of Green Crack and Maui Waui for $25 total. They're both excellent sativa dominant hybrids, but strong SSH cost $90/ounce at the same dispensary.

Long story short, strong classic sativa is harder to come by but it seems to provide "the same high that I used to get". I will try to avoid buying something based on price, smell and a "sativa dominant" label going forward, because it's hit or miss. Only found one place that had strong Durban Poison nearby. Couldn't find any Jack Herer last week. Occasionally I'll see Acapulco Gold or Colombian but it might be more expensive

Maybe the best solution for me is to pay more for proven classic sativas but then minimize my usage (as if that's gonna happen!!!).

 

[stinkytofus]

tbreaks/edibles for a few days, drink lots of water, clean vape, plenty of rest, mangos

these work for me

i once took a five day tbreak, loaded green crack in ghost mv1, went through all five temps and I got knocked out good, it was awesome, similar to my first sour diesel that I smoked, it was like mike tyson knocked you out

 

[GoldenBud]

i once took a five day tbreak

you took 5 days break without side effects? brain fog, problems falling a sleep at night etc? body's weakness? i suffered so much in the first 5 days of my break

 

[aniceto]

Even after taking a 5 months break I don't get nearly as high as I used to 15 years ago when I began consuming THC. I spent over 10 years smoking/vaping a couple of grams a day. Nowadays I consume a few times a year and still get what you describe. Buzz the first one, sleepy and tired every joint after that one... currently I only do CBD for the old days , and I even preffer it over the original, sadly...

 

[JBone65]

you took 5 days break without side effects? brain fog, problems falling a sleep at night etc? body's weakness? i suffered so much in the first 5 days of my break

I learned the hard way that I tend to experience negative mood swings when I quit cold turkey. Recognizing that tendency, and 50+ yrs of practice, has helped minimize the problem to some degree. It still happens, hopefully less than before.

Back on the main subject, I'm thinking the bulk of the original sativa cannabis gene pool has been adulterated. IMO hardy indicas were (and are still) bred with nature's finest sativas purely for agricultural purposes. Breeding THC/terpene content into indica morphology with an array of new flavors seemed like a sure thing. Unfortunately there isn't a lab test for head buzz so we're all left wondering WTF happened.

This might be the reason why the most popular strains from 20 years ago are still the most popular strains today, and why there suddenly is a pricing differential. This is another good reason we should all have access to a legitimate free market. A free market might self-correct based on whatever demand is higher.

I like blending weed. Now I'm wondering what'll happen if I blend only strong sativa and sativa dominant classics.....

 

[GoldenBud]

the weed around 2003-2004, the sativa, or something, was so so good.. it's very rare nowadays...made you super happy and buzzy on the good side. adventure every time...although it came with seeds etc', it was a treat. even the weed of 2010 but it was more psychadelic and not like in 2003-2004

 

[invertedisdead]

You can still find potent Sativa if you cross the border into Mexico. Aesthetically it would be a joke to many modern consumers but most probably could not even handle the intense racey stone. That’s the problem with “bag appeal” is some of that “ditch weed” is much stronger. It’s like judging a chocolate chip cookie on what it looks like rather than what it tastes like.

That said the idea of a “Sativa dominant hybrid” for the most part is just silly marketing. It’s like saying your son looks a lot like his mother. Doesn’t really mean anything other than a shared gene pool. For example, can anybody really tell that Durban Poison is one of the main parents in Girl Scout Cookies? I kinda doubt it.

Furthermore 95%+ of the strains people call sativas are almost always total hybrids.

the weed around 2003-2004, the sativa, or something, was so so good.. it's very rare nowadays...made you super happy and buzzy on the good side. adventure every time...although it came with seeds etc', it was a treat. even the weed of 2010 but it was more psychadelic and not like in 2003-2004

I wish the giggly and feel good stuff would come back. The reality is that recreational cannabis ruined much of what we had going as the market became much more hype driven. I would say when the strain name became more important than the actual cannabis that started a downhill spiral.

 

[GoldenBud]

You can still find potent Sativa if you cross the border into Mexico. Aesthetically it would be a joke to many modern consumers but most probably could not even handle the intense racey stone. That’s the problem with “bag appeal” is some of that “ditch weed” is much stronger. It’s like judging a chocolate chip cookie on what it looks like rather than what it tastes like.

Maybe, but not sure, these old strains had nice amount of terpenes, and low THC content, and after few hits, it felt like the real thing. it was out of this world, also the Super Lemon Haze from Green house amsterdam felt a bit like this. but it is definitely not low in THC. so... need to be checked, for sure.

 

[JBone65]

Maybe, but not sure, these old strains had nice amount of terpenes, and low THC content, and after few hits, it felt like the real thing. it was out of this world, also the Super Lemon Haze from Green house amsterdam felt a bit like this. but it is definitely not low in THC. so... need to be checked, for sure.

I'm thinking some of the earlier hybrids were still great. Super Silver Haze and super lemon Haze affect me like an old school sativa but it's a hybrid from 25 years ago. The earlier hybrids tasted less like fruit as well. Maybe it comes from cross breeding hybrids with indica and other hybrids too many times without focusing on the buzz.

 

[stinkytofus]

you took 5 days break without side effects? brain fog, problems falling a sleep at night etc? body's weakness? i suffered so much in the first 5 days of my break

that was when i barely toked everyday so tolerance little lower, during those times as long as i tough it out first two nights and refused to touch it my sleep from third night on is good, dreams extra vivid

 

[GoldenBud]

56 days off
probably will not get back to vape, idk, i can't afford it and my lungs seem to be healthier. no more mucus!

i still have a lot of vivid dreams yes. no more nightmares as the first 30 days, but very vivid, kinda mediocre-good dreams lol
@JBone65 yes the Super Lemon Haze almost reminded me the good ole' sativa from 2004
I liked the good ole' sativa so much. was a pleasure. real HAPPINESS. not buzz.

 

[stinkytofus]

I have 8 strains in the freezer. They're all very strong, at least on paper. Most of it tastes amazing. Some of the darker color strains almost taste too strong, not sure if dank is the correct word.

Have been chasing terpenes for a year or two, trying to determine exactly why some weed is better than others. I used to think it was the difference between sativa and indica, this might have been true in the old days if I understand it.

I chose strains of weed with very strong interesting smells and very different terpene profiles. Some terpenes are less common than others.

I started blending strains about a year ago. I really like that, it's addictive. I mix four or five complimentary strains to give a wide terpene spectrum. Turns out you can taste every strain/terpene in the blend if you try. Don't really know if it's better, but I know that my brain no longer wants individual strains.

A low temp terp hit from my blend is very strong, very sweet, but it won't give you a proper head buzz unless you put in a weed that gives the head buzz. I'm fairly certain there is a difference in compounds that explains why some strains give a better head buzz, but I can't seem to figure it out.

IMO premium commercial weed is super rich, and it works okay, but most of it is missing something.

It could be a coincidence but I bought a "sungrown" prepacked strain a few months ago that was inexpensive ($52/oz) but it gives a really nice consistent head buzz.

Starting to wonder if sungrown might tend to give a better head buzz than weed grown under lights. Even the dirt weed I smoked for decades gave a nice head buzz.

Sorry for the long post.

The better head buzz is probably a sativa hybrid of some sort

56 days off
probably will not get back to vape, idk, i can't afford it and my lungs seem to be healthier. no more mucus!

i still have a lot of vivid dreams yes. no more nightmares as the first 30 days, but very vivid, kinda mediocre-good dreams lol
@JBone65 yes the Super Lemon Haze almost reminded me the good ole' sativa from 2004
I liked the good ole' sativa so much. was a pleasure. real HAPPINESS. not buzz.

Damn 56 days, good discipline

 

[KidFated.]

56 days off
probably will not get back to vape, idk, i can't afford it and my lungs seem to be healthier. no more mucus!

i still have a lot of vivid dreams yes. no more nightmares as the first 30 days, but very vivid, kinda mediocre-good dreams lol
@JBone65 yes the Super Lemon Haze almost reminded me the good ole' sativa from 2004
I liked the good ole' sativa so much. was a pleasure. real HAPPINESS. not buzz.

I’m about the same place you are currently. My first week had lots of sweaty nights. I’m mainly waiting for work to pick back up, but i cut alcohol out completely over two months ago, I might just keep on with what I’ve been doing. I do have some evo screens coming and about an oz waiting, plus some stuff coming from my bro. We will see. I like not having to worry about UA’s. But maybe it’ll be legal here soon anyways.

 

[GoldenBud]

I’m about the same place you are currently. My first week had lots of sweaty nights. I’m mainly waiting for work to pick back up, but i cut alcohol out completely over two months ago, I might just keep on with what I’ve been doing. I do have some evo screens coming and about an oz waiting, plus some stuff coming from my bro. We will see. I like not having to worry about UA’s. But maybe it’ll be legal here soon anyways.

Good to hear! so your lungs/body feels better? "more air" feeling? more energy in your body, after 30+ days?

Couldn't make a break with weed left in my apartment. Finished all 56 days ago. Also sold all my vapes except Dyna some and TUBOx, who knows if I'll vape a little in the future.

 

[KidFated.]

Good to hear! so your lungs/body feels better? "more air" feeling? more energy in your body, after 30+ days?

Couldn't make a break with weed left in my apartment. Finished all 56 days ago. Also sold all my vapes except Dyna some and TUBOx, who knows if I'll vape a little in the future.

Yeah I feel a lot better, a lot more energy, and a lot less phlegm.. I couldn’t have stopped if I had it in the house either, but I received it as payment about a week ago from a good friend that’s on some hard times who also quit. The quitting alcohol has made my mornings a lot better.

 

[JBone65]

Chemmy Jones, sativa. It's only 19% THC but the classic sativa flavor and "high" is amazing.

Finally found the D-Luxe Dispensary 1.5 miles away. Vertical integration apparently gives them a leg up on the competition in several ways. They have 10-15 stores where they (only) sell their own indoor-grown (consistent, reliable) product. The really great thing is that they appreciate sativas. Their current offering includes five classics, and I got small versions of several of these for $42/oz yesterday discounted for 420. Anyway, D-Luxe considers Chemmy Jones as more intense than Durban Poison so I tried it for the first time. The head buzz is amazing. I'm looking forward to trying the Green Caffiene.

 

[stinkytofus]

Chemmy Jones, sativa. It's only 19% THC but the classic sativa flavor and "high" is amazing.

Finally found the D-Luxe Dispensary 1.5 miles away. Vertical integration apparently gives them a leg up on the competition in several ways. They have 10-15 stores where they (only) sell their own indoor-grown (consistent, reliable) product. The really great thing is that they appreciate great sativas. Their current offering includes five classics, and I got incredible small versions of several of these for $42/oz yesterday on 4/20. Anyway, D-Luxe consider Chemmy Jones as more intense than Durban Poison. It's my first time with it, and the head buzz is amazing. I'm looking forward to trying the Green Caffiene.

damn… 42/oz, jealous here lol