TboneToker
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Can you ?
When cooking with cannabis, can you still feel the difference between strains and indicas/sativas
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TeeJay1952
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No, edibles in me cause varying levels of medication but nothing like vaping. Or as Led Zeppelin might have put it:
The Strain remains the same.
The Strain remains the same.
Same here... doesn't help that I cook with ABV and the ABV bin is made of many strains.
I was going to come up with something Led Zeppelinny song strain related like @TeeJay1952 did.
So was looking through a list of their songs.... then came upon "Boogie with @Stu" from Physical Graphiti. Oops, how did that @ sign get in there.
Vape on!
looney2nz
Research Geek, Mad Scientist
Yes, I can still detect differences. But when I used to bake it was typically with high quality bud and kief (occasionally hash/oil). You can tell the difference between a brownie made with Cannatonic (16%-6% CBD-THC) and one made with Trainwreck or Purple Grandaddy. 'course you'll have to form that opinion over many hours for each brownie 
Vape Donkey 650
All vape, no smoke please.
Hmmm interesting question....
my impression and experience has been NO.
Why? What makes different strains unique and distinguishes them from each other? The terpene profile does, in addition to the cannabinoid profile.
Most terpenes are more volatile and boil off more easily at lower temperatures compared to most cannabinoids that we're interested in right? Isn't this why it's really smelly when you cook flower or shake material into butter or oil? Isn't that much of your loose terpenes being released from your material?
There's no way of cooking with cannabis that I know of which retains these free terpenes. Also, when I see packaged edibles and drinkables, they almost never say what strain they're made from, and they also tend to hit me "the same way" with a kind of generic high. Occasionally, it might say "indica" or "sativa" on the package, but I've never discerned different or matching effects from them.
You might tell I'm not a huge fan of edibles.
I'm not opposed to them, but for many reasons...
Vape > Eat
The only exception from my postulation would be what looney just mentioned there, with a difference between a CBD rich, THC rich, or with different ratios between the cannabinoids of the input material, and being able to notice the difference in edibles made from those different types of materials.
my impression and experience has been NO.Why? What makes different strains unique and distinguishes them from each other? The terpene profile does, in addition to the cannabinoid profile.
Most terpenes are more volatile and boil off more easily at lower temperatures compared to most cannabinoids that we're interested in right? Isn't this why it's really smelly when you cook flower or shake material into butter or oil? Isn't that much of your loose terpenes being released from your material?
There's no way of cooking with cannabis that I know of which retains these free terpenes. Also, when I see packaged edibles and drinkables, they almost never say what strain they're made from, and they also tend to hit me "the same way" with a kind of generic high. Occasionally, it might say "indica" or "sativa" on the package, but I've never discerned different or matching effects from them.
You might tell I'm not a huge fan of edibles.
I'm not opposed to them, but for many reasons...
Vape > Eat
The only exception from my postulation would be what looney just mentioned there, with a difference between a CBD rich, THC rich, or with different ratios between the cannabinoids of the input material, and being able to notice the difference in edibles made from those different types of materials.
looney2nz
Research Geek, Mad Scientist
Hmmm interesting question....
Why? What makes different strains unique and distinguishes them from each other? The terpene profile does, in addition to the cannabinoid profile.
Most terpenes are more volatile and boil off more easily at lower temperatures compared to most cannabinoids that we're interested in right? Isn't this why it's really smelly when you cook flower or shake material into butter or oil? Isn't that much of your loose terpenes being released from your material?
There's no way of cooking with cannabis that I know of which retains these free terpenes. Also, when I see packaged edibles and drinkables, they almost never say what strain they're made from, and they also tend to hit me "the same way" with a kind of generic high. Occasionally, it might say "indica" or "sativa" on the package, but I've never discerned different or matching effects from them.
You might tell I'm not a huge fan of edibles.
I'm not opposed to them, but for many reasons...
Vape > Eat
The only exception from my postulation would be what looney just mentioned there, with a difference between a CBD rich, THC rich, or with different ratios between the cannabinoids of the input material, and being able to notice the difference in edibles made from those different types of materials.
Yeah, the strains I was using had VERY distinct cannabinoid fingerprints (different ratios of THC-CBD, presence of THCa, CBDa, the kief was often thrown in at the end to see if the terps would survive
)Edibles work for me, lasting hours (up to 6 in the past), vaping was largely for breakthrough pain... but it's become more main stream for me every day.
Tinctures and decoctions... most alcohol tinctures I've had were WAY too extreme, and the glycerin tinctures were pretty punk
Yeah, labeling on edibles is laughable
At least when I was still able to cook/bake I could make INSANELY strong edibles for MY constitution (yes I take holidays) and know pretty well what was going in there.I'd love it if everyone did their labeling like PopNaturals
(full labs, cannabinoids, terps and contaminant testing).
I wonder if that is provider for in Prop64???
TeeJay1952
Well-Known Member
OK more thought on subject. I collect all duff in a jar till I got 1/4 lb or so and give to daughter who Majic Butters it and adds all stem and ISO "wax". Of course I can't tell strain. it is a pile of different things and conditions.
Ozyzj
Well-Known Member
I'm quite curious about this as well, as I've been cooking exclusively with fresh bud recently.
Also, this all may be irrelevant anyway if our bodies don't process or absorb terpenes and flavonoids during digestion.
When I decarb my fresh stuff for a batch of oil, it's always done in a sealed mason jar to reduce airborne odor. If after the oven decarb, the mason jar is allowed to cool back down, shouldn't the terpenes theoretically still be somewhere inside my jar?Most terpenes are more volatile and boil off more easily at lower temperatures compared to most cannabinoids that we're interested in right? Isn't this why it's really smelly when you cook flower or shake material into butter or oil? Isn't that much of your loose terpenes being released from your material?
Also, this all may be irrelevant anyway if our bodies don't process or absorb terpenes and flavonoids during digestion.
Aristosseur
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I haven't, just feeling a generic cannabis atrong effect, not leaning towards sativa nor indica dominant.
rabblerouser
Combustion Fucker
one of the MA dispensaries sells Sative, Indica, or Hybrid edibles, but I haven't actually tried them to compare. I'm nearly always using ABV myself, which is just a mix of everything.
AVENTUS
Well-Known Member
This.Yes, I can still detect differences. But when I used to bake it was typically with high quality bud and kief (occasionally hash/oil). You can tell the difference between a brownie made with Cannatonic (16%-6% CBD-THC) and one made with Trainwreck or Purple Grandaddy. 'course you'll have to form that opinion over many hours for each brownie
brainiac
log wrangler
I found the title of this thread really interesting and decided to test it for myself. Originally, the plan was to make two batches of honey - one with Northern Lights and the second with Lemon Haze. However, I got into such a (sticky) mess with the NL batch that I'm reluctant to repeat the exercise with the LH.
I made about 400g of infused honey with 15g of NL bud, titrated to one dose per teaspoon. Took a teaspoon in a cup of tea at 10am - it's now 4pm and it's still working. Not an especially sativa high. Certainly no couch lock - I went out walking for three hours. The powerful odour in the kitchen from the decarbing was definitely earthy NL and there's a hint of it in the honey.
Here's a 100g Kilner jar.
I might try canna honey again - it's a great way to share and enjoy but I think I'll use the Lemon Haze to infuse coconut oil and use that to make chocolate. The research continues...
I made about 400g of infused honey with 15g of NL bud, titrated to one dose per teaspoon. Took a teaspoon in a cup of tea at 10am - it's now 4pm and it's still working. Not an especially sativa high. Certainly no couch lock - I went out walking for three hours. The powerful odour in the kitchen from the decarbing was definitely earthy NL and there's a hint of it in the honey.
Here's a 100g Kilner jar.
I might try canna honey again - it's a great way to share and enjoy but I think I'll use the Lemon Haze to infuse coconut oil and use that to make chocolate. The research continues...
Squiby
Well-Known Member
Thanks for taking one for the team!
I'm looking forward to the results of your Lemon Haze trials.
meduser#420
Fear & Loathing in FuckCombustion
To add my personal experience. I just made a batch of coconut oil with 2 jars(3.5cups) oil, and 3oz's decarbed* sour diesel bud shake. I used 1/3rd cup on a small batch of brownies. I cut a 2x2 inch piece and it doesn't make you sleepy at all. I ate 2 on valentines day about 2pm and roasted many bowls in between . It was a very up high that remained giggly till the next morning. I did have dreams with a very comfortable feeling overall. I'm going to try a 4x4 inch piece next.
*decarbed using the Ardent Lift
*decarbed using the Ardent Lift
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Vitolo
Vaporist
I've made tinctures (both of Everclear, and of Glycerin)
I feel the difference between Indica dominant batches and Sativa dominant batches.
When making cannabutter, I use pure strains, and I can detect the variations in both "essence" (background flavor/scent) and in the effects between the strains.
It is not as distinct and immediate as vaporizing, but if not mixing strains, or vaping in between medible ingestion, the difference is there, and noticeable to me.
I feel the difference between Indica dominant batches and Sativa dominant batches.
When making cannabutter, I use pure strains, and I can detect the variations in both "essence" (background flavor/scent) and in the effects between the strains.
It is not as distinct and immediate as vaporizing, but if not mixing strains, or vaping in between medible ingestion, the difference is there, and noticeable to me.
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brainiac
log wrangler
Thanks for taking one for the team!
I'm looking forward to the results of your Lemon Haze trials.
Yeah, me too
My marketing dept is on it already.
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justcametomind
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I have a prescription for Bedrocan. It's 100% sativa and when I have an edible I can detect it's a sativa high.
Chandler
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i had two different gummies recently from the same provider. cola bottle gummies were indica, peach gummies were sativa. the cola bottles had little effect, the sativa gummies definitely had a sativa profile, a strong stone but very cerebral, very happy and uplifting. I wouldn't take the sativa gummy before bed...
around christmas, a friend made me cookies from about 2oz's of my ABV. the ABV was a mixture of herbs, but i vape mainly sativas or sativa dominant hybrids, i seldom purchase indica strains...
The cookies were insanely strong. very uplifting. a deep strong stone. when sleep came, i could barely move the next morning.
..scouring these threads so i can learn the best methods to make my own butter or coconut oil.... whats better/stronger/tastier/most efficient style to cook with? coconut oil or butter??
around christmas, a friend made me cookies from about 2oz's of my ABV. the ABV was a mixture of herbs, but i vape mainly sativas or sativa dominant hybrids, i seldom purchase indica strains...
The cookies were insanely strong. very uplifting. a deep strong stone. when sleep came, i could barely move the next morning.
..scouring these threads so i can learn the best methods to make my own butter or coconut oil.... whats better/stronger/tastier/most efficient style to cook with? coconut oil or butter??
brainiac
log wrangler
Depends on the type of edibles you want to make. I made a cupfull of infused olive oil - 1 teaspoon = one hit. Very versatile for cakes, cookies, etc and easily good enough to just spread on a slice of bread.
I recently made a batch of canna honey (see above). Even more versatile than the olive oil but wouldn't advise it for beginners - it can get messy and wasteful (well, it did with me). However, put in little jars with appropriate label, they make a brilliant gift item. And it really works despite what you may read on the web.
Next week I'll be infusing 500g coconut oil with Lemon Haze. I've got 13g of sugar leaf and I've added 10g of the bud, That's pre-decarb weight. (I'll let you know how the dosage works out but I'm aiming for 1tsp=1 hit.)
I chose coconut oil because it's said to have the best THC absorption rate - I've no first-hand knowledge. Also, I'll be adding 2 tablespoons of non-gmo sunflower lecithin. Never tried it before but the good people over here regard it highly:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/soy-lecithin-as-a-potentiator.4826/
Never tried butter. I think you have to skim the solids off it? Less shelf-life than the above I would guess. Keep us posted.
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Chandler
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ended up using 28g's of ground herbs and 7 g's abv to 1lbs of butter. i clarified the butter, decarbed the herbs, and let it steep in a crock pot on low for approx 2hrs45mins. the end result looked good. just like how every video i've watched looked. i didn't have the time to cook anything as it was getting late. i did however spread a small amount on some naan.... i was well medicated about 2hrs later!! lol i'm contemplating eating another touch, but i'm afraid of the potency. lol. can't wait till i get the opportunity to cook with it!!
I do feel my first try was a success though. such an easy process. time consuming yes, but fun and interesting! i would i had the week off so i could just eat and experiment
I do feel my first try was a success though. such an easy process. time consuming yes, but fun and interesting! i would i had the week off so i could just eat and experiment
Chandler
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-Apologies for the back to back post-
Made some peanut butter chocolate chip cookies this morning used what I'd say was about 3/4 cup of my butter, which was a bit less than my total yield... Ended with 27 cookies... Potency is nice. Hits the borderline of overwhelming, then mellows out to a nice body stone. Was able to function all day at work without anyone knowing I was lit! A couple of my colleagues were on cloud 12 lol. A fun experiment to say the least! Looking forward to the abv/sativa blend coming up next!
Made some peanut butter chocolate chip cookies this morning used what I'd say was about 3/4 cup of my butter, which was a bit less than my total yield... Ended with 27 cookies... Potency is nice. Hits the borderline of overwhelming, then mellows out to a nice body stone. Was able to function all day at work without anyone knowing I was lit! A couple of my colleagues were on cloud 12 lol. A fun experiment to say the least! Looking forward to the abv/sativa blend coming up next!
Chandler
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i used 15g's of combined jack herer, blue hawaiian, congolese, green crack, moby dick, blue dream, jean grey and a few others plus 10g's sativa dominant abv to infuse coconut oil.... end result was great. if i want someone to experience uplifting sativa effects, this would do the trick. i wouldn't use this oil to help medicate for pain relief, or sleep.
now i've made two batches. one with butter, one with coconut oil. the two are distinctly different, but also very uplifting as both batches had a fair amount of my abv which is sativa dominant. What you put into your mix will determine the outcome!
My butter would be my go to for pain relief, coconut oil for energy, and upliftment!!!
now i've made two batches. one with butter, one with coconut oil. the two are distinctly different, but also very uplifting as both batches had a fair amount of my abv which is sativa dominant. What you put into your mix will determine the outcome!
My butter would be my go to for pain relief, coconut oil for energy, and upliftment!!!
Vitolo
Vaporist
I believe that is because animal fats can aborbs (and do it well!) more from the plant's constituents than does the coconut oil.
Similar parallel to tinctures made with glycerin vs Everclear.
Alcohol strips more of the "goods" than does glycerin, so the alcohol tinctures are better for pain and sleep, while the glycerin can be uplifting.