What do Californians (and the rest) think of AUMA?

analytika

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Big safety testing failure rate for California pot products

Nearly 20 percent of marijuana products in California have failed tests for potency and purity since the state started requiring the checks on July 1, a failure rate some in the industry say has more to do with unrealistic standards and technical glitches than protecting consumer safety.
There was a dead zone in the market that lasted 6 - 8 weeks.

Products are less diverse, more expensive, packaged for secure transport NOT storage.

Many of the best, most careful producers had to change up their workflow, some say quality and even safety is less than prior.

"Tests for potency and purity" <= that's a terrible way to discuss the topic. Meeting % cannabanoid numbers is one thing, hazardous pesticides another. That 20% includes both? Really? WTF does that even mean?
 

Tranquility

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http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/documents/A151727.PDF

The smell of marijuana is still probable cause/reasonable suspicion to search or detain in California.

Fews argues that after the passage of Proposition 64, law enforcement officers can no longer assume that a person possessing a small amount of marijuana is armed and engaged in criminal activity. We think this contention overstates the effect of Proposition 64. It remains unlawful to possess, transport, or give away marijuana in excess of the statutorily permitted limits, to cultivate cannabis plants in excess of statutory limits and in violation of local ordinances, to engage in unlicensed “commercial cannabis activity,” and to possess, smoke or ingest cannabis in various designated places, including in a motor vehicle while driving. (Bus. & Prof. Code, §§ 26001, subd. (k), 26037, 26038, subd. (c); see Health & Saf. Code, §§ 11362.1, subd. (a), 11362.2, subd. (a), 11362.3, subd. (a), 11362.45, subd. (a).) The possibility of an innocent explanation for the possession of marijuana “does not deprive the officer of the capacity to entertain a reasonable suspicion of criminal conduct.” (In re Tony C. (1978) 21 Cal.3d 888, 894.)
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The 10 continuing regulation of marijuana leads us to believe that Strasburg and Waxler still permit law enforcement officers to conduct a reasonable search to determine whether the subject of the investigation is adhering to the various statutory limitations on possession and use, and whether the vehicle contains contraband or evidence of a crime. (See Strasburg, supra, 148 Cal.App.4th at p. 1060; Waxler, supra, 224 Cal.App.4th at pp. 721, 723–724; see also People v. Zuniga (Colo. 2016) 372 P.3d 1052, 1059 [holding that despite Colorado’s legalization of marijuana, “a substantial number of other marijuanarelated activities remain unlawful under Colorado law. Given that state of affairs, the odor of marijuana is still suggestive of criminal activity.”]; Robinson v. State (Md.Ct.App. 2017) 152 A.3d 661, 664–665].) Due to the odor of marijuana emanating from the SUV and Mims, as well as Mims’s admission that there was marijuana in his half-burnt cigar, there was a fair probability that a search of the SUV might yield additional contraband or evidence.​
 

Adobewan

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http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/documents/A151727.PDF

The smell of marijuana is still probable cause/reasonable suspicion to search or detain in California.

Fews argues that after the passage of Proposition 64, law enforcement officers can no longer assume that a person possessing a small amount of marijuana is armed and engaged in criminal activity. We think this contention overstates the effect of Proposition 64. It remains unlawful to possess, transport, or give away marijuana in excess of the statutorily permitted limits, to cultivate cannabis plants in excess of statutory limits and in violation of local ordinances, to engage in unlicensed “commercial cannabis activity,” and to possess, smoke or ingest cannabis in various designated places, including in a motor vehicle while driving. (Bus. & Prof. Code, §§ 26001, subd. (k), 26037, 26038, subd. (c); see Health & Saf. Code, §§ 11362.1, subd. (a), 11362.2, subd. (a), 11362.3, subd. (a), 11362.45, subd. (a).) The possibility of an innocent explanation for the possession of marijuana “does not deprive the officer of the capacity to entertain a reasonable suspicion of criminal conduct.” (In re Tony C. (1978) 21 Cal.3d 888, 894.)
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The 10 continuing regulation of marijuana leads us to believe that Strasburg and Waxler still permit law enforcement officers to conduct a reasonable search to determine whether the subject of the investigation is adhering to the various statutory limitations on possession and use, and whether the vehicle contains contraband or evidence of a crime. (See Strasburg, supra, 148 Cal.App.4th at p. 1060; Waxler, supra, 224 Cal.App.4th at pp. 721, 723–724; see also People v. Zuniga (Colo. 2016) 372 P.3d 1052, 1059 [holding that despite Colorado’s legalization of marijuana, “a substantial number of other marijuanarelated activities remain unlawful under Colorado law. Given that state of affairs, the odor of marijuana is still suggestive of criminal activity.”]; Robinson v. State (Md.Ct.App. 2017) 152 A.3d 661, 664–665].) Due to the odor of marijuana emanating from the SUV and Mims, as well as Mims’s admission that there was marijuana in his half-burnt cigar, there was a fair probability that a search of the SUV might yield additional contraband or evidence.​
Again, really need a "Don't like" button.
 

Tranquility

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Previous arrests on cannabis were unimportant now that we're talking money for the government. They should change "black market marijuana" to "under-taxed cannabis" to focus on the new cannabis crimes.

https://mjbizdaily.com/california-b...ations-continue-thousands-more-plants-seized/

More busts indicate that state and local authorities in California continue to step up efforts to crack down on black market marijuana operations, a development that could help licensed businesses who’ve long complained that illicit operators undercut their sales.

Here’s a roundup of some of the latest enforcement news from California:​
  • Detectives with the Tulare County Sheriff’s Office served three warrants at homes with illegal cannabis grows and processing equipment in Lindsay. They discovered more than 3,200 marijuana plants, approximately 1,300 pounds of partially processed cannabis and more than 30 pounds of processed marijuana. All of the product was destroyed.
  • Santa Clara County Sheriff’s deputies busted an illegal grow in an unincorporated part of the county, eradicated “thousands of marijuana plants” and detained 12 people.
  • The Placer County Sheriff’s Office seized more than 571 marijuana plants at an illegal grow in a warehouse in an unincorporated area of Lincoln.
  • The Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office investigated trespassing and illegal activities on private property and eradicated more than 240 cannabis plants.
  • The Mendocino County Sheriff’s Office eradicated more than 230 marijuana plants and destroyed 100 pounds of dried marijuana at an illegal grow on tribal land.
  • San Diego police arrested two people for operating an illegal marijuana delivery service, and confiscated 50 pounds of marijuana, edibles and concentrates.
 

Tranquility

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Dudes, it's "legal". Give it back.

http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/documents/JAD18-10.PDF

Petitioner seeks the return of his 21.8 grams of recreational marijuana. Petitioner “lawfully possessed” this marijuana under California law, as he was over 21 years old and the amount was less than 28.6 grams. As explained above, the San Francisco Police Department is immune from federal prosecution under the CSA when complying with California’s return provisions. Accordingly, we grant the petition for writ of mandate.​
 

C No Ego

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Dudes, it's "legal". Give it back.

http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/documents/JAD18-10.PDF

Petitioner seeks the return of his 21.8 grams of recreational marijuana. Petitioner “lawfully possessed” this marijuana under California law, as he was over 21 years old and the amount was less than 28.6 grams. As explained above, the San Francisco Police Department is immune from federal prosecution under the CSA when complying with California’s return provisions. Accordingly, we grant the petition for writ of mandate.​

the courts are laughing in their high chairs LOL. they could just let the guy grow his own instead or ship him tins from Ol miss of 300 cigerrettes... that'l fix it
 
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macbill

Oh No! Mr macbill!!
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Marijuana is emerging among California’s vineyards, offering promise and concern

SANTA YNEZ VALLEY, Calif. — It is the fall harvest here in this fertile stretch of oaks and hills that produces some of the country’s best wine. This season, though, workers also are plucking the sticky, fragrant flowers of a new crop.

Marijuana is emerging among the vineyards, not as a rival to the valley’s grapes but as a high-value commodity that could help reinvigorate a fading agricultural tradition along the state’s Central Coast. Brushed by ocean breeze, cannabis has taken root, offering promise and prompting the age-old question of whether there can be too much of a good thing.
 

Tranquility

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Tranquility

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Part of the new regulations might prevent IP branding.

https://www.cannalawblog.com/califo...uld-prohibit-intellectual-property-licensing/

California’s Proposed Modified Cannabis Regulations Could Prohibit Intellectual Property Licensing (!)
By Alison Malsbury on October 21, 2018

On Friday, the California Bureau of Cannabis Control, California Department of Public Health, and California Department of Food and Agriculture issued 15-day notices of modification to the texts of their respective proposed regulations. The California Cannabis Portal has published links to each notice and the modified texts of the proposed regulations. For each set, the respective Department will accept written comments submitted by November 5, 2018.

And to all parties currently engaging in intellectual property (IP) licensing or manufacturing deals as or with a non-licensee, you should most definitely submit your written comments if you want to be able to keep those deals alive. The modifications to the text of the proposed regulations include the following:

5032. Designated M and A Commercial Cannabis Activity

(a) All commercial cannabis activity shall be conducted between licensees. Retail licensees, licensed retailers and licensed microbusinesses authorized to engage in retail sales may conduct commercial cannabis activity with customers in accordance with Chapter 3 of this division.

(b) Licensees shall not conduct commercial cannabis activities on behalf of, at the request of, or pursuant to a contract with any person that is not licensed under the Act. Such prohibited commercial cannabis activities include, but are not limited to, the following:

(1) Procuring or purchasing cannabis goods from a licensed cultivator or licensed manufacturer.

(2) Manufacturing cannabis goods according to the specifications of a non-licensee.

(3) Packaging and labeling cannabis goods under a non-licensee’s brand or according to the specifications of a non-licensee.

(4) Distributing cannabis goods for a non-licensee.

These regulations would seemingly prohibit most, if not all, IP licensing agreements where the licensor is not licensed by the state, given that such licensing deals call for the licensee’s use of the licensed IP to manufacture particular goods, often utilizing the licensor’s proprietary techniques, recipes or trade secrets. Section (b)(3) above describes exactly what a licensee does under a trademark licensing agreement where the licensor does not possess its own manufacturing license from the state: “packaging and labeling cannabis goods under a non-licensee’s brand or according to the specifications of a non-licensee.”

Until today, there was nothing in the proposed regulations prohibiting a non-licensed third-party from engaging in these types of licensing deals, which we have written about extensively. Under those proposed regulations, a non-licensed entity entering into a licensing or manufacturing deal and taking a royalty from a licensed entity would need to be disclosed to the state as a party with a financial interest in a licensee but would not need to obtain a manufacturing license of their own. These kinds of deals are extremely prevalent throughout the industry, and are allowed to varying degrees in the other states in which my law firm’s cannabis business lawyers work (Washington and Oregon). For California to prohibit licensing deals involving non-licensed entities would be a major departure from what we’ve seen in other jurisdictions and would be incredibly disruptive to the cannabis industry as it currently operates.

This change would have far-reaching and unfortunate implications. Here are some examples of deals and structures that would not be allowed if this modification is ultimately adopted:

  • Licensed operators that have set up separate IP-holding companies to hold and license their intellectual property back to the operator;
  • Out-of-state cannabis companies that wish to license their existing cannabis brand to California manufacturers, but do not wish to directly engage in manufacturing in California;
  • Non-licensed third-parties that have developed technology to manufacture a cannabis product or a brand identity and wish to license that technology or brand identity to a licensed manufacturer.
The list goes on. If you have any type of licensing or manufacturing deal in place that involves both a licensed entity and a non-licensed entity, you should talk to your attorney as soon as possible to determine what the implications of this modification would be. And most importantly, you should provide written feedbackimmediately to the Bureau of Cannabis Control during the very short 15-day comment period expressing opposition to this modification.
Some other "bombs":
https://mjbizdaily.com/california-r...ermanent-regulations-for-cannabis-businesses/

Among the biggest proposed changes, according to Figueroa and Crockett:

  • Cannabis delivery would be prohibited by third-party companies that do not have state MJ commercial licenses, but the rules do allow for tech platforms to help facilitate deliveries as long as there’s no direct profit-sharing based on sales. The move could undercut business models of companies such as Eaze and Weedmaps when it comes to delivery, both Figueroa and Crockett said.
  • The draft rules would reduce the amount of inventory allowed to be carried by a single delivery vehicle, from $10,000 to $5,000. And at least $2,000 of that inventory would have to have existing orders in place from customers before drivers leave a delivery hub.
  • Licensed cannabis businesses would be required to disclose far more information about individuals and companies that hold ownership stakes – a move Figueroa said amounts to a “ban on silent partners.” Crockett added that the BCC “wants to know who’s standing to profit and who has a standing in each of these companies.”
  • Packaging and labeling provisions would change dramatically, including one that would allow manufacturers to hold off on identifying THC and CBD content before having their products tested through distributors and laboratories. That would let distributors get edibles and concentrates tested for potency and then add that information to labels before products are sent to retailers.
  • Child-resistant packaging requirements would shift and not be required for manufacturers until January 2020. That, Crockett said, would mean more onus would be placed on retailers to use child-resistant exit bags at storefronts through 2019.
  • Licensed MJ events would no longer be confined to county fairgrounds, which means there would likely be a proliferation of cannabis events of various types.
  • Licensing and branding agreements with legacy operators that were growing or manufacturing without a state permit would be expressly prohibited. Figueroa said such a move would likely cut off one more avenue for longtime MJ companies that have had a hard time obtaining the necessary permits to operate in the regulated market.
  • Testing requirements would be modified to ease the previously strict mandates that have led to a number of product failures and recalls.
 
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Tranquility

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More output from the attorneys looking at the new regulations. Apparently, there may be many who are now considered an "owner" or a "financial interest holder" that might not have been considered such previously.

https://www.cannalawblog.com/what-y...ps-revised-proposed-permanent-cannabis-rules/

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“Owners”: The BCC modified the definition of “owner” (as well as “financial interest holder”; see below), which now includes “[a]n individual entitled to a share of at least 20 percent of the profits of the commercial cannabis business.” This is much broader than the existing 20 percent aggregate ownership threshold (which also still stands). To illustrate, the current ownership threshold definition expressly states that it does not apply where that interest holder holds “solely a security, lien, or encumbrance.” This new addition to the rules seems to capture a mere security holder—so long as that security holder is entitled to 20 percent of the profits.

The BCC also expanded upon the form of “ownership” that requires disclosure based on assumption of responsibility for the license, by specifying certain kinds of persons or entities who qualify (note that this list is not exhaustive or complete, so it likely will be read even more broadly), as:

  • Persons who manage or direct the licensed business in exchange for a portion of the profits. Note, there is no minimum threshold for profit entitlements here, so this could include persons who expect less than 20 percent of the profits.
  • Persons who assume responsibility for the licensed business’ debts. Here too, there is no threshold for debt assumption.
  • Persons who determine how “a portion” of the licensed business is run. This includes things such as “non-plant-touching portions of the commercial cannabis business such as branding or marketing”, but it too could include much more broad categories of business operations.
  • Persons who determine what cannabis goods will be cultivated, manufactured, distributed, purchased, or sold.
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The takeaway from these changes is that the BCC now wants full identification of any person who has anything to do with an applicant entity—even if that person simply owns a company multiple steps away in a corporate chain. That is not dissimilar to what our cannabis business lawyers have seen in Oregon and Washington.

“Financial Interest Holder”: Like before, the BCC considers a financial interest to include an agreement to receive a portion of the profits of a licensed entity. Now, however, the BCC gives a number of examples of what qualifies as such an agreement:

  • An employee who enters into a profit-share plan with a licensee.
  • A landlord who enters into a lease agreement with a licensee for a share of the profits.
  • A consultant who provides services to a licensee for a share of the profits.
  • A person who acts as an agent, such as an accountant or attorney, for the licensee for a share of the profits.
  • A broker who engages in activities for the licensee for a share of the profits.
  • A salesperson who earns a commission.
The BCC will now also require the identification of all persons in the corporate hierarchy for interest holders, similar to the rules regarding owners. Meaning, if a financial interest holder is an entity, everyone in that entity is getting disclosed .

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Annual License Applications and Requirements: As to annual licenses, the BCC made tweaks to the information that it will require for submission, which signals its desire to place more scrutiny on applicants and ensure compliance with California law. We won’t explain every change here, but here are the essential ones:

  • First, the BCC changed the requirement to provide it with “The business-formation documents” for the licenses business to “All business-formation documents”.
  • Second, the BCC is requiring that applicants provide it with state employeridentification numbers (“SEIN”), which the BCC explains in its notice of modification as being “necessary to ensure that all applicants that are required to obtain such a number have obtained it and are thus, in compliance with California law.”
  • Finally, licensees with more than one employee must attest that within one year of receiving their license, the licensee will have employees who have undergone certain Cal-OSHA safety training.
The BCC is also beefing up its requirements for renewal of licenses to require documentation of any change to any item listed in the original application. So, chances are that if a cannabis business obtains an annual license before these proposed changes become effective (and assuming they do), that business will need to provide these additional disclosures later.

Premises: There are a number of modifications to the proposed rules concerning licensed premises, but here are the highlights:

  • While it’s been routine for multiple licensees to operate on the same premises, the proposed modifications now expressly state that they do not “prohibit two or more licensed premises from occupying separate portions of the same parcel of land or sharing common use areas, such as a bathroom, breakroom, hallway, or building entrance.”
  • The premises must consist of permanent structures—shipping containers, modular buildings, or anything on wheels are a no-go—that are affixed to the ground and not capable of movement.
  • There is now a form (BCC-LIC-027) to submit to the BCC to request to make a physical change or alteration to the premises.
Marketing and Promotions: Licensees will be prohibited from selling or transporting goods that are identified as any kind of alcoholic product (and they cannot refer to anything as containing or being an alcoholic product). There are also now definitions for promotional goods and branded goods. If licensees want to sell branded goods that are not listed in the definition, they will need to seek BCC approval first. The proposed modifications also clarify that licensees can provide customers with promotional non-cannabis goods—and it looks like these goods could be provided at the premises or via delivery, too.

Packaging: The proposed modifications set up a time tier for cannabis packaging, whereby until January 1, 2020, cannabis packaging needs to be tamper-evident, in some cases re-sealable, and must not look like packaging that is marketed to children. Until January 1, 2020, retailers and microbusinesses can satisfy this rule by providing opaque exit packaging that meets the foregoing standards.

Testing and Quality Assurance: The proposed regulations include prohibitions on re-sampling previously tested batches, new requirements for remediation plans for failed batches, and new requirements for quality assurance testing for the level of THC, CBD, and terpenoids, among other things. If goods have undergone testing and haven’t been sold in 12 months, they now have to be destroyed.

Retailer Packaging: Similar to the revised distribution rules, the proposed modifications set up a time table that require tamper-evident packaging until January 1, 2020, and re-sealable, tamper evident, and child-resistant packaging thereafter. There are opposite requirements for retailer exit packaging—it must be child-resistant, re-sealable and opaque until 2020, and then just opaque thereafter.

Deliveries: The rules now more heavily regulate a retailer’s use of tech platforms for delivery (i.e., the platform can’t share profits and can’t be the one doing the delivery, presumably unless it too is licensed). Delivery vehicles cannot contain any exterior markings that indicate that they are delivering cannabis goods. Delivery vehicles may now carry only $5,000 in cannabis goods at once. And the biggest change of all, per the modified section 5416(d), deliveries can be made into any jurisdiction in the state, so long as they comply with the BCC’s delivery rules. Currently, localities can and do prohibit deliveries from other jurisdictions. The BCC’s proposed regulations, however, now open the floodgates to previously “dark” delivery jurisdictions.
 

Tranquility

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Turtles all the way down.

https://mjbizdaily.com/falsified-ca...may-result-in-major-marijuana-product-recall/
Sacramento-based Sequoia Analytical Labs surrendered its business license after a state inspection discovered that the company’s lab director had been falsifying cannabis product testing results for almost four months, and hundreds of marijuana products may now have to be recalled and retested...
https://mjbizdaily.com/california-cannabis-vape-cartridge-counterfeit-products/
Mainstream industry brands have long contended with product knockoffs ranging from North Face jackets to Rolex watches.

Now the problem is increasingly appearing in the marijuana industry – with vaporizer cartridges a key target.

The issue can be a major headache for targeted companies. Counterfeiting can result in lost sales and downward pressure on the genuine product’s price – not to mention bad publicity if the bogus item is deemed unsafe....​
 
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Tranquility

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Seeing the same stuff in all the places? Pay to play.

https://www.cannalawblog.com/anti-c...-fee-and-pay-to-stay-contracts-in-california/

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On to slotting fee and pay-to-stay agreements. When you walk into the grocery store, the retailer likely isn’t just arranging products by name or color. In fact, what’s likely going on is that certain shelf space for new products has been negotiated and paid for by a manufacturer. And with good reason. In commodities, especially saturated ones, face time with consumers isn’t great and margins can be really poor and the competition is vast. In California, only cannabis retailers can sell to the public, so it’s hugely important for wholesale and distributor licensees to have good placement on shelf space in dispensaries and on the retailers’ online menus. The slotting fee agreement essentially amounts to the lump sum fee the supplier pays to the retailer to reserve their sacred, strategic shelf space. The pay-to-stay agreement (which can be similar to the slotting fee) typically takes things a step further where it’s instituted after the initial slot and addresses issues for existing products like marketing, promotion, inventory stocking, failure fees, and paying extra to ensure that your competitors don’t get any valuable shelf space near you or at all....​
 

invertedisdead

PHASE3
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Seeing the same stuff in all the places? Pay to play.

https://www.cannalawblog.com/anti-c...-fee-and-pay-to-stay-contracts-in-california/

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On to slotting fee and pay-to-stay agreements. When you walk into the grocery store, the retailer likely isn’t just arranging products by name or color. In fact, what’s likely going on is that certain shelf space for new products has been negotiated and paid for by a manufacturer. And with good reason. In commodities, especially saturated ones, face time with consumers isn’t great and margins can be really poor and the competition is vast. In California, only cannabis retailers can sell to the public, so it’s hugely important for wholesale and distributor licensees to have good placement on shelf space in dispensaries and on the retailers’ online menus. The slotting fee agreement essentially amounts to the lump sum fee the supplier pays to the retailer to reserve their sacred, strategic shelf space. The pay-to-stay agreement (which can be similar to the slotting fee) typically takes things a step further where it’s instituted after the initial slot and addresses issues for existing products like marketing, promotion, inventory stocking, failure fees, and paying extra to ensure that your competitors don’t get any valuable shelf space near you or at all....​

This must be why brass Knuckles and Heavy Hitters is still heavily stocked. Shouldn't be surprised, deceptive marketing is crucial for many brands success in this industry.
 

Tranquility

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This must be why brass Knuckles and Heavy Hitters is still heavily stocked. Shouldn't be surprised, deceptive marketing is crucial for many brands success in this industry.
And Ascnd. It's not that they're bad carts, it's that they're always pimped by the dispensaries around me if they don't have what I want.
 

looney2nz

Research Geek, Mad Scientist
And Ascnd. It's not that they're bad carts, it's that they're always pimped by the dispensaries around me if they don't have what I want.

at least their shit doesn't test dirty. (not a pod person)
 
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analytika

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Typical regulatory mess. That's what happens when you rely on the Big Government, Big Tax party to legalize cannabis, or really, do anything.
 
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