What do Californians (and the rest) think of AUMA?

Tranquility

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Taxes are going up! Maybe down. Maybe based on potency. (.006 to .009 per milligram) But, up for sure.

https://mjbizdaily.com/ca-agency-su...ly-lower-rates-address-illicit-market-threat/

Even though they talk of policy differences:
If lawmakers wanted to prioritize undercutting the illicit market, the report concluded, then they should adopt a tax at the lower end of that range. If legislators want to focus on preventing youth marijuana use, they should adopt a tax at the higher end.​
It's just about money:
The report asserted that state marijuana tax revenues needed to hit $350 million in the 2021-2022 fiscal year to be “sufficient” to cover mandated expenditures under California law and suggested that lowering the tax rates might not be enough to hit that revenue benchmark.​
It seems it's already spent.
 

Gunky

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Well, AUMA did pretty much what was predicted: lots of small growers in Humboldt county and other spots have gotten shoved out of the market as newly unleashed big canna opens up thousands of acres of greenhouses. High taxes spur renewed black market activity. We were saying this here before the vote! Like watching a train wreck in slow motion. Meanwhile home DIY-ers are somewhat nobbled by plant and amount limits. Oh well. I moved to Oregon a while back and the limits are even worse here. So we all get to veg a few plants a long time until you've got four bigass plants :) And breeding is severely constrained... except for the big guys, who can do what they want. Uh huh. Whoop ti doo! Welcome to legalization (= big canna takeover).
 
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In 2020, California passengers will not be able to smoke marijuana in any moving vehicle

[L]awmakers voted to end the exemption under Senate Bill 625 that allowed passengers to consume marijuana while in a bus, limousine, taxi, pedicab, housecar or camper. While passengers in any of those vehicles will no longer be able to ingest cannabis, they will still be able to drink alcohol.
I can see the sense in this. If your passenger drinks 3 beers, you're not exposed to the effects of the alcohol(maybe indirectly if your passenger becomes loud and obnoxious), but if your passenger smokes a joint or two, everyone in the cabin is exposed. If the driver isn't a regular user, things could go south.
 

Tranquility

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It just gets better and better. People down the stream need to pay their bills.

https://mjbizdaily.com/californias-...-financial-woes-as-it-battles-illicit-market/
This is the first installment in a three-part series marking the two-year anniversary of the start of legal recreational cannabis sales in California.)

Licensed California cannabis companies face a business climate that’s arguably more dire than ever before, despite the hope that came with the launch of legalized adult-use sales in January 2018.

Many feel as if they’re on a death watch of sorts, waiting to hear about more layoffs or company closures, stemming from a chaotic mix of high taxes, a lack of local buy-in, high barriers to entry, skyrocketing compliance costs and unforeseen complications – including the vape crisis.

The difficulties led to a trend of many licensed companies struggling to pay business partners and vendors for inventory they’ve already stocked or services received, because they’re strapped for cash.

The desperation Javier Montes felt in early 2018 helps illustrate some of the challenges the California cannabis market currently must navigate.

Montes’ concern didn’t stem from the fact his Los Angeles cannabis shop, Delta 9 THC, was losing customers, or worries about the hiccups of the big transition of California’s marijuana market into a new and complicated regulatory framework.

He was having trouble finding Rick Simpson Oil (RSO) – a cannabis extract – for his mentor, the man who introduced him to the world of medical marijuana.

Cannabis devotees have used RSO for the better part of two decades to treat everything from cancer to chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, and Montes’ friend was suffering from a terminal case of the latter.

While RSO was common and fairly easy to find in the gray California medical market, it had suddenly become scarce, as legacy marijuana operators opted in 2018 for the illicit market amid the crazy hustle into the new legal cannabis landscape.

“It was difficult to source. Not everybody was online, or not everybody transitioned over,” Montes said. “As easy as it was to find RSO back then, it was really difficult to find once the transition started to happen, and we started to lose a lot of patients because of that.”

For Montes, that difficulty is emblematic of the turbulent rollout over the past two years of California’s newly regulated medical and recreational cannabis market.

Where things stand

While California remains the largest marijuana industry in the world, with over $3 billion in sales in 2019 alone, an estimated 80% of transactions still take place in the underground market, according to a report by Boulder, Colorado-based BDS Analytics and San Francisco-based Arcview Market Research.

That’s a number that jibes with most California industry insiders, who say the illicit market is arguably stronger than it’s been since before the state initially legalized medical cannabis in 1996.

By that metric, Proposition 64, which legalized recreational marijuana in California in 2016, has been “the most colossal screw-up I’ve ever seen,” said Troy Dayton, Arcview’s co-founder and chief strategy officer.

The legalization initiative – which was a divisive ballot measure even within the state’s MJ industry – argued within the text of the measure itself that, if it passed, legal cannabis companies would “incapacitate the black market.”

While that might happen in the long term, the past two years have played out in the exact opposite way than what Proposition 64 backers had hoped to see.

“The perfect storm has occurred here in California, with taxes and regulations,” said Andrew DeAngelo, co-founder of Oakland retailer Harborside. “We learned that we got this very, very wrong.”

Not only has the number of businesses operating legally in California shrunk by tens of thousands, but in late 2019, cracks began to appear in the licensed market – a hint that many legal operators might not survive despite immense demand for quality cannabis in the state.

Bills going unpaid

After layoffs at both large and small companies up and down the supply chain – which included MedMen, Pax Labs, Cannacraft, Grupo Flor and others – reports surfaced that many businesses are delinquent in paying their bills.

That likely stems in part from sales lost to illicit marijuana dealers and a general lack of income.

“Going into the year, I’m not aware of any major companies that are profitable,” said Chris Coulombe, CEO of Pacific Expeditors, a Sonoma County-based distributor, and co-founder of the Cannabis Distribution Association.

“The money that retailers owe us is in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and we’ve paid hundreds of thousands out of pocket to make sure that the revenue continues upstream,” Coulombe said.

He predicted a “seizing” of the cannabis supply chain in California by summer if retailers aren’t able to somehow obtain lines of credit or find new sources of income.

But he doubts that’s going to happen, in part because of the 2019 retreat of many investors due to the cratering of cannabis stocks in Canada.

Beyond that, Coulombe and others said, it’s common industry knowledge that many state-licensed companies are playing both the legal and illegal markets, but it’s mostly because they’re desperate for income to keep their businesses afloat.

‘Standing on stilts’

Coulombe predicted an industry “bloodbath” in 2020 unless California officials take drastic action to alleviate financial pressure on legal businesses, whether through tax relief, the opening of more legal retail outlets or other options.

The problem isn’t only with retailers, said Swetha Kaul, former chief scientific officer at Santa Ana-based testing lab Cannalysis.

Before she resigned from the lab in December 2019, Kaul said she conferred with many other labs and ancillary vendors such as software companies and concluded the nonpayment of bills had become an “epidemic.”

“Most labs I’ve talked to, most people are talking about more than a few hundred thousand (dollars). If you expand that across all the labs, it’s probably a few million just owed to labs,” Kaul said.

“If the basis of our entire market can’t even make ends meet, we’re kind of standing on stilts.”

The situation has become so fraught with fear that the California marijuana industry rumor mill has begun churning out premature obituaries as insiders wait for companies to fold.

One such incident occurred recently when Oakland-based East Bay Express reported that Coulombe’s company, Pacific Expeditors, had gone under when, in reality, the business is still operational.

If drastic systemic changes aren’t enacted in 2020, Kaul fears other companies might follow The Guild, a San Jose retailer that was auctioned off last year after creditors foreclosed.

The court-appointed receiver in that case, Scott Yahraus, told Marijuana Business Daily he’s already been selected to manage a deeply indebted retail shop in L.A. and is about to be chosen to run a second in the same city.

That’s not to suggest that California’s legal market can’t be saved, Kaul and others said.

But some companies might already have crossed the point of no return.​
 

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About 20% of licensed marijuana companies in California’s capital city face temporary closure
More than a fifth of the cannabis companies in Sacramento, California, are confronting the possibility of at least a temporary suspension of operations on the first day of February.

City regulators sent notices to dozens of registered marijuana businesses in December as a reminder they had not formally completed the process for acquiring a Sacramento business operations permit.

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Illegal L.A. Pot Shops Were Selling Vapes Tainted With Additives: State Regulators

California officials announced Monday that marijuana vape cartridges seized in illegal shops in Los Angeles contained potentially dangerous additives, including a thickening agent blamed for a national outbreak of deadly lung illnesses tied to vaping.
 
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Tranquility

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"Bloodbath" coming. But, in a good way.

https://mjbizdaily.com/potential-bu...tability-might-emerge-after-that-experts-say/
The California cannabis bloodbath of 2020 has begun.

But while even more market contraction is likely, the current business climate will also produce opportunities for well-capitalized new market entrants.

In January, Canadian operator Sunniva announced it’s shuttering its distribution operation, Full-Scale Distributors, by the end of February to save costs and focus on preserving its ownership of a Southern California cultivation operation.

Days later, California-based MedMen revealed CEO Adam Bierman would step down amid a financial hurricane that’s left the company offering stock options to vendors as partial payment for delinquent bills.

According to industry insiders, this is just the start. Many predict more California cannabis company failures, more businesses going into court-appointed receivership because federal bankruptcy protections aren’t an option and more industry exits in general.

“By the end of the year, we’re going to see a lot of our members I think fall out of the industry,” said Lindsay Robinson, executive director of the California Cannabis Industry Association. “Businesses are on the verge of collapse.”

Which begs the question: When is it going to end?

The answer, said several experts, is probably later this year – once marijuana investor interest picks up and after the supply chain can shake out debt created by businesses that overextended themselves.

“This year is all just about survival,” said Debby Goldsberry, executive director at Magnolia Wellness, a cannabis microbusiness in Oakland.

She laughed when asked in January if her company was profitable yet, adding: “2020 is the year of deployment.”

Buyer’s market?

For small companies that can grow organically without outside investor capital, it’s time to do that.

For wealthy operators or investors, the current business environment could create a buying frenzy.

“A lot of people are going to run out of operating capital this year,” predicted Andrew DeAngelo, who co-founded the renowned Oakland retailer Harborside and is also now doing outside consulting work.

“There’s going to be a lot of assets out there at a discounted price in 2020.”

Several insiders noted that’s because many California cannabis companies don’t have funds to keep doing business as usual nor the option to declare bankruptcy since marijuana remains illegal at the federal level.

The upshot is that well-heeled investors can gain footholds in the world’s largest marijuana market.

That’s what Rob Hunt is doing. The former principal at New York-based Tuatara Capital started Linnaea Holdings last June with an eye on the California market.

He raised $10.5 million from investors and is working on an acquisition deal for Utopia, a California cannabis manufacturer and grower. Linnaea Holdings is already Utopia’s biggest investor, Hunt said.

He said his goal is to raise more investor cash this year and eventually own a vertically integrated business “from cultivation all the way through retail.”

While some might scoff – especially when the legal market is hurting – Hunt sees opportunity. That’s because consumer habits haven’t changed, and, from the macro level, market sales have steadily improved.

“In the next two quarters, watch for eight or nine major companies that really have a lot of investor capital tied up in them, go under, and really watch the ripple effects through the industry,” Hunt predicted.

“But then it’s going to start coming back. Because the compounded annual growth rate in the industry (is) still tracking exactly as we expected, as far as dollars across the counter. We’re not seeing people consume less.”

According to Seattle-based cannabis analytics firm Headset, in 2019 the California market saw just under $3 billion in legal adult-use sales – nearly doubling legal marijuana sales in the state in 2018.

In 2020, according to Marijuana Business Daily projections, California’s legal adult-use market will grow by approximately 50%, eclipsing $4 billion in sales. And, by 2023, the legal California market will hit over $6 billion.

A year later, 2024, is when legal marijuana sales in California will overtake illegal sales, according to projections by Boulder, Colorado-based BDS Analytics.

That’s what gives Hunt and others hope for California’s legal marijuana industry.

“(Linnaea Holding’s) model doesn’t require a great deal of capital, especially now that the downturn has happened and valuations have plummeted,” Hunt said. “Where we thought we were going to need $60 million previously, now we think we need about $30 million-$35 million total.”

He said several other businesses with similar approaches are already negotiating terms with smaller companies and that firms he’s spoken with now are receptive to buyouts.

“If you have capital and you have the right model, 2020 is going to present the best opportunity you have to build a really cool company with assets that, a year ago, you wouldn’t have been able to afford. But this year you can,” Hunt said.

“But it’s all predicated on how much cash you have. If you have it, 2020 is going to be the greatest year. If you don’t, 2020 is going to be a miserable year.”

Other factors for 2020

There are some possibilities for systemic change on the horizon, however.

CCIA’s Robinson predicted that many cities and counties will vote on more local ballot initiatives as a way to force localities to embrace the industry. Other moves to roll back local marijuana taxes could emerge, which could help lure more customers away from the cheaper illicit market.

There’s also the possibility of tax reform from the state Legislature, and more local governments are likely to open their arms to the cannabis space over time as they realize how much tax revenue they’re leaving on the table by banning marijuana companies completely, Harborside’s DeAngelo pointed out.

However, it’s hard for businesses to count on any such legislation succeeding, so they need to plan for the future based on what’s currently in front of them. For many, that’s empty coffers as they continue to do battle against a huge illicit market.

“If nothing changes, two years from now you’re going to see an awful lot of blood on the tracks,” DeAngelo said. “You might also see some very wealthy people scooping all of that up.

“But then the cycle would start all over again.”​
 

MinnBobber

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So mjbiz predicts 50% growth in 2020 for legal cannabis sales...???

How can that be as aren’t CA cannabis taxes going up and they predict companies going under?

Seems like a very odd prediction
 

Gunky

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I guess some people saw it as a gold mine and rushed to expand and then found they were twisting in the wind as far as some types of financing, insurance, bankruptcy protections, etc.
 

Tranquility

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Money is near-impossible to raise because of the banking issue (So, no loans from banks.) and the fact it is, federally, illegal--which makes using a stock market impossible. Companies that handle their cash flow under these conditions best seem to be making out.

Those who thought they were going to get drug dealer profits from selling an agricultural commodity made legal are finding there's no gold in them thar hills.
 

MinnBobber

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Those who thought they were going to get drug dealer profits from selling an agricultural commodity made legal are finding there's no gold in them thar hills.
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I get that there are many BS anchors on raising and selling cannabis (like no deducts on taxes for your expenses, growing regs, lots of plant care required, product taxes, startup costs, etc etc) BUT
If this product was mint leaves and mint extract products, you'd be selling mint leaves for $5 an oz vs cannabis at $100 oz and be making a profit.

It can be hard to imagine not being able to at least turn a small profit????
 

Tranquility

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I get that there are many BS anchors on raising and selling cannabis (like no deducts on taxes for your expenses, growing regs, lots of plant care required, product taxes, startup costs, etc etc) BUT
If this product was mint leaves and mint extract products, you'd be selling mint leaves for $5 an oz vs cannabis at $100 oz and be making a profit.

It can be hard to imagine not being able to at least turn a small profit????

Since most everyone who buys from legal shops ALSO has some level of ability to buy on the black market, unless the BS anchors are less than the cost of the risk of arrest for non-regulated sales...

Supporting the taxation structure and regulatory scheme is expensive. But for the black market, you could probably just shift most of that cost to the consumer and not take too bad of a hit.

But for...
 
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The Scandal Rocking California’s Weed Industry
https://www.thedailybeast.com/is-a-fake-labor-union-infiltrating-the-weed-industry
Sometime in 2018, a Chicago-area union honcho named Joseph Senese started showing up at cannabis industry mixers in California.

Senese represented himself as a leader of the National Production Workers Union, an Illinois-based outfit. As he put it to curious cannabis business owners and consultants, the union was getting into weed with a new California-based local called “ProTech Local 33.” The idea was to help West Coast cannabis businesses fulfill a labor-friendly licensing requirement necessary for them to obtain a state permit and open up shop.
 

Tranquility

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The Scandal Rocking California’s Weed Industry
Sometime in 2018, a Chicago-area union honcho named Joseph Senese started showing up at cannabis industry mixers in California.

Senese represented himself as a leader of the National Production Workers Union, an Illinois-based outfit. As he put it to curious cannabis business owners and consultants, the union was getting into weed with a new California-based local called “ProTech Local 33.” The idea was to help West Coast cannabis businesses fulfill a labor-friendly licensing requirement necessary for them to obtain a state permit and open up shop.

We've got to take care of the Unions!

On a completely unrelated note:
https://mjbizdaily.com/california-u...crats-to-shut-out-major-cannabis-trade-group/

At some point, shouldn't we focus on the user's benefit?
 

Gunky

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California actually does have a long history of treating agricultural workers like crap. Just because somebody is cultivating/trimming/waiting on customers in a cannabis business doesn't mean they should work for peanuts or get lower benefits than anybody else. So I support (genuine) unionization in the biz. A good step toward fixing this industry would be to - in the beginning at least - knock down the tax burden so businesses can get going and get a solid base of customers, set up their supply chains etc. In addition it would help if some of the regulatory burden were relaxed a bit in order to grandfather in some legacy small growers, like in Humboldt. Regs, product quality inspections, etc are a good but right now there is some chaos and the situation is somewhat unfair to smaller and legacy growers, IMO.
 
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Tranquility

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While in this CA thread, it could be important for any in legal states in the 9th circuit.

https://reason.com/2020/02/17/can-a...-probable-cause-of-a-federal-marijuana-crime/

On Monday, March 3rd, a panel of the Ninth Circuit is going to hear argument in a case raising one of my favorite hypotheticals about cross-enforcement of the Fourth Amendment. The relevant issue in the appeal, United States v. David Martinez, No. 18-10498, is this: Can a police officer in a state that has decriminalized marijuana possession constitutionally justify a search of a car based on probable cause to believe marijuana is in the car as prohibited by federal law? In other words, can a search from an officer employed by the state look to federal criminal law for the probable cause needed to justify the search?...​
 
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Wine vs. weed in Napa Valley

Napa Valley is famous for its cabernet sauvignon. But with the cannabis industry moving in fast, some of the region’s storied vintners are sounding the alarm that California’s newest legal crop could damage the flavor — and brand — of their prized wines.
 

Tranquility

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Apparently, WE'RE the problem:
https://mjbizdaily.com/california-m...eness-hound-the-states-legal-cannabis-market/
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A basic problem facing the California industry is that it’s arguably its own worst enemy.

That’s because the state is so large and diverse that political unification has eluded it.

Disparate camps evolved leading up to the vote on Proposition 64, which was on the 2016 ballot to legalize recreational cannabis in the state.

Many in the industry voted against Prop 64 for various reasons, and still today there’s a host of trade organizations across California that often have different messages for elected officials and regulators.

That fragmentation is a key hurdle to any type of progress in the political arena, many insiders acknowledged, because it makes it difficult to centralize funding for any one lobbying effort, ballot measure or legal proposal.

“The divisiveness among the industry is a really difficult component and one that (the California Cannabis Industry Association) is absolutely committed to working on in 2020. We’re sending a ton of olive branches,” CCIA Executive Director Lindsay Robinson said in January.

Multiple marijuana legalization ballot measures were filed leading up to the 2016 election, and ultimately, much of the industry coalesced behind Proposition 64 because billionaire Sean Parker decided to throw millions of dollars behind it.

That kind of funding was nowhere to be seen for any of the competing initiatives, and no similar wealthy backer has yet emerged to back any significant push to fix the current system – either by funding lobbying efforts, more local ballot initiatives or another statewide ballot question.

“There is enough money in the California cannabis industry to put whatever we want on the ballot,” said Andrew DeAngelo, co-founder of Oakland retailer Harborside. “There’s just not enough willingness and unity to get it done.”

DeAngelo said the California industry is a “circular firing squad” that needs to “get its political house in order” before any serious systemic changes will be able to pass the Legislature or voters....​
 

Gunky

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The original initiative was so stupid and flawed and full of hard-coded limits that now, as predicted, movement leaders are discussing new ballot initiatives to fix the mess of the original one - but can't agree how. Oy vey! Not the right way to do this.
 
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C No Ego

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there has been enough money made for them already all these years of incarcerating peaceful people for ingesting cannabis ... people are still being arrested and supporting court systems and tax for prison profits . it is a sad state of affairs seeing States wanting to be Drug dealerz...
Edit = post # 2,020 in 2020 ... right on time !
 
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