What do Californians (and the rest) think of AUMA?

[muunch]

Speaking as someone on the east coast (at least in my circle) it's significantly more common to have the place of origin for my cannabis to be Cali than Colorado.

Like 9:1.

If I'm being honest, I've actually never gotten anything grown/processed in CO and it all comes from CA. This is just my circle though

 

[CarolKing]

@muunch have you ever gotten any cannabis from WA state in your circle?
I know off topic but curious.

 

[muunch]

Nope, California and a few times from Oregon. Never from anywhere else.

I realize I'm just one person so it was pretty dumb of me to post this, since it's just a drop in a (massive)bucket but whatever

 

[invertedisdead]

Speaking as someone on the east coast (at least in my circle) it's significantly more common to have the place of origin for my cannabis to be Cali than Colorado.

Like 9:1.

If I'm being honest, I've actually never gotten anything grown/processed in CO and it all comes from CA. This is just my circle though

Are you talking about packaged extracts or raw flowers? If raw flowers, how would you really know?

 

[muunch]

Both. And none of it is from dispensaries (or packaged out like it would be) because I don't want state/gvt #s and stuff on my crap when I'm a couple hundred miles away and getting caught would spell trouble for me and whoever I get it from... unless the numbers are fudged... and in that case... why would the person sending it go thru the trouble?

Return addresses and trust is how I know but I suppose I don't *really* know, but unless they're driving to different states to send it...

Anyway I shouldn't have opened my mouth lol

 

[invertedisdead]

I thought you were talking about products from collectives. A lot of times I see people on the East Coast with CA and CO brand extracts.

 

[muunch]

Oh, no. I don't mess with that. I know people that do, but I think it's a huge risk for both parties. Young people and the reckless don't care and just want to flex, but it's a terrible idea. If you get caught or it gets found along the way, there's a very very clear, undisputable path to exactly where it came from. The sale on which that lot# or whatever was sold can be pulled up on the cameras and etc...

I guess what I get, and the method I get it from since it isn't from disp. etc, it may not even be logged and counting towards whatever they use to calculate the net crop but meh - that was my original point. There's a lot of black market weed coming from Cali if you ask me. Whether or not it's counting towards that massive tally earlier, idk. But there's a lot.

 

[archangelz001]

What a beautiful thing--setting up a program to have people inform on each other when they think someone else is not paying enough in taxes.

I hope that people who become aware of illegal grows on federal land and nrar protected waterways, and those using pesticides that runoff into local rivers arent afraid to turn them in and they are prosecuted. Small farmer/growers may still sell into the black market wont have protections. They don't now either.

 

[Tranquility]

I hope that people who become aware of illegal grows on federal land and nrar protected waterways, and those using pesticides that runoff into local rivers arent afraid to turn them in and they are prosecuted. Small farmer/growers may still sell into the black market wont have protections. They don't now either.

The difference being, before the government only kinda cared in the name of morals and protecting the children. Now, they are in direct competition. Black market sales will taking money from poor, poor Government's many mouths to feed. A good rule of thumb is to never stand between money and a government that wants it. The legal landscape has changed AND the government's motivations have changed. I suspect the result will NOT be smaller grower's lives stay pretty much the same.

As to the reporting, are there any other crimes you feel we need to snitch upon? Me, I'm all for stopping the basics. You know; Burglary, Arson, Rape, Robbery, Murder, Mayhem, Kidnapping, Larceny, Assault/battery, things like that. Report to the police, stand in the way of the evil doer or do whatever necessary to prevent such things that all agree are Wrong. I think it wrong to report a fellow citizen for not being as far as some might want from "protected waterways" (Which is a fun political and Constitutional question because of the incredible changes due to EPA and Army Corps of Engineers redefinition of such things a couple of years ago.) for a grow.

My energies would be better spent calling the water police because my neighbors are getting a bit on the sidewalk or running them for more minutes than allowed. This next bit is incredible, I know, but I went to my usual corner diner and they brought me a glass of water as I sat down. AS I SAT DOWN!!!

Now, I always ask for water as that is my preferred beverage and ol' Flo (Not her real name.) knows this. However, it is illegal for a restaurant to give water before it is asked for. Reporting her for sure.

 

[Baron23]

The black market isn't just confined to the state of CA. A lot of the cannabis is sold to people in illegal states. Where there's money to be made folks are right there to capitalize on it. Isn't it the American way? It could ruin it for legal states with the interstate cannabis black market.

We have a very tight legal market in WA state. We still have a black market where folks are selling to residents in other states.

Edit
As long as there is illegal cannabis there's going to be a black market. The states want to make money off the taxes so the prices are high in legal states which attributes to the instate black market.

My brother, he lives in WA state as well just paid a friend $90 for a full oz. Most state stores, its more than double that price for an oz. He's retired and on a fixed income and can't afford the prices. He has a medical cannabis card too. He only saves the 8% sales tax. That BS causes a black market! I hope CA can do things differently. It seems like our state lawmakers get too greedy. People get involved locally with cannabis laws and legislation. Talk is easy, taking action is a lot harder.

We're still waiting on clones and seeds for patients the law was passed in 2012. That also creates a black market! Let's get real.

Hi Carol - black markets do exist indeed for MJ as well as a number of other items due to the same type of pressures.

I know folks who run a still in their backyard and make great moonshine. Its illegal, its a black market in otherwise government taxed liquor, and it has been going on a very long time.

Cigarettes are still transported over state lines illegally due to differences in tax rates. This also has been going on for a very long time.

Places like MA think they can levy any tax rate they want (20% in this case) on MJ without consequences....which is simply not true. So they will keep a black market alive and well due to their confiscatory tax policy.

Its like water....it will find its own path and level. People will find the cheapest and easiest source of their MJ, and if the government makes it a fucking mess, they will do it as it has been done for a long time...on the QT, right?

 

[CarolKing]

Hi @Baron23
August 4, 2017 The Biggest pot bust in county's history.
The Calaveras County Sheriff’s Office has released the outcome of Operation Terminus, which began this past Monday.

The California National Guard, state water board, and Department of Fish and Wildlife worked with the sheriff’s office to make the largest illegal marijuana operation bust the county has ever seen.

The sheriff’s office reports seizure amounts are 28,650 marijuana plants, 12 Opium Pods, 31 tons of unprocessed marijuana, 1898 pounds of processed marijuana, 13 firearms, 1 piece of body armor and just over $57,000 cash. With over $50,000 cash seized at one location late yesterday afternoon. 35 arrests have now been made.

In addition to the arrests and seizures noted above the following criminal/environmental violations were issued or are being investigated. 97 California Department of Fish & Wildlife Violations, 29 Water Quality Violations, 24 Water Rights Violations and 5 Cal Fire land Conversion Cases.

35 people were arrested for illegal cultivation of marijuana and several environmental violations.

Officials also seized 11 firearms, some with the serial numbers filed off, and $7,000 in cash.

The properties that police and other agencies focused on extended from Mountain Ranch to Copperopolis.

Trevor Whitke is a registered marijuana grower who has lived in the county for most of his life. However, he said there is a lot of tension with the community because of illegal growers.

Whitke supports the efforts by police to eradicate illegal growers in the county.

 

[archangelz001]

There is no question that the government can sometimes interfere with personal freedoms, but growing illegally on federally protected lands and creating environmental messes in the process, are not acceptable. Cartels and selfcentered sleazeballs can go fuck themselves.

 

[Tranquility]

There is no question that the government can sometimes interfere with personal freedoms, but growing illegally on federally protected lands and creating environmental messes in the process, are not acceptable. Cartels and selfcentered sleazeballs can go fuck themselves.

Lena Dunham (Transgender badspeak.) and Google (Boys and girls are different badspeak.) would agree with you.

 

[invertedisdead]

but growing illegally on federally protected lands and creating environmental messes in the process, are not acceptable.

"growing illegally," must be the most confound term nature has ever heard, but "federally protected land" can't be far off from that.

 

[archangelz001]

Well, as Bob Dylan once sang "if you live outside the law you must be honest." If any one believes they can appropriate land and resources that are not theirs and leave an environmental mess for others to clean up they'll have to think again. @OldNewbie I have no idea what your last comment means

 

[invertedisdead]

Nobody really owns land though. That's just an esoteric concept that perpetuates the reliance of debt based currency.

 

[archangelz001]

Nobody really owns land though. That's just an esoteric concept that perpetuates the reliance of debt based currency.

Spoken like a true anti-property anarchist...

@OldNewbie, I just read a National Review article that explains your reference. How you can equate condemning cartels and greedy environment destroying grows that are strictly profit motive driven with anything Dunham or Google does/says about non-PC generalizations in a private conversation is just twisted logic. And it has nothing to do with the current discussion. Exercising personal freedoms isn't limitless.

 

[Tranquility]

One person has created a spreadsheet to model the cost of cannabis in CA after legalization.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bptqQmroZNWl01PWjVgkiqsqRUlvzjrEwyHCGwnBFes/edit#gid=0

 

[macbill]

San Diego council votes Monday on marijuana cultivation, manufacturing
San Diego on Monday may join a small group of California cities willing to allow a local marijuana supply chain to sell the drug to both medical and recreational customers.

The City Council is scheduled to consider a proposal to legalize local cultivation, manufacturing and testing of marijuana and related byproducts like edibles when new state laws take effect in January.

 

[macbill]

Hmong pot growers in Siskiyou County seeking identity, profit — or both
More than 1,500 Hmong farmers in the last two years have poured into this remote county, so vast it encompasses two western mountain ranges.

By the second growing season in 2016, satellite images showed nearly 1,000 parcels laden with dark green crops. Depending on whose yield estimates and black market prices you rely on, the Hmong’s Siskiyou crop had a value as high as $1 billion.

 

[invertedisdead]

Hmong pot growers in Siskiyou County seeking identity, profit — or both
More than 1,500 Hmong farmers in the last two years have poured into this remote county, so vast it encompasses two western mountain ranges.

By the second growing season in 2016, satellite images showed nearly 1,000 parcels laden with dark green crops. Depending on whose yield estimates and black market prices you rely on, the Hmong’s Siskiyou crop had a value as high as $1 billion.

I posted about this in another thread, these Hmong farmers blew up and all have 100 plants going. Plus they came from nothing, so they have no problem enduring all of the problems one would face running an off grid operation.

 

[Tranquility]

The 20th century is not turning out as hoped.

California has banned drone delivery of cannabis.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...ans-drone-delivery-services-of-legalized-pot/

To me, cannabis by drone would be the golden wave of the future. Small, light weight packages of high value delivered right to your door in minutes seems a killer use of drones to work out the delivery of larger items. Sadly, the forefront of technology state has declined. The preliminary regulations are at:
http://bmcr.ca.gov/laws_regs/ceqa_initial_study.pdf

 

[C No Ego]

The 20th century is not turning out as hoped.

California has banned drone delivery of cannabis.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...ans-drone-delivery-services-of-legalized-pot/

To me, cannabis by drone would be the golden wave of the future. Small, light weight packages of high value delivered right to your door in minutes seems a killer use of drones to work out the delivery of larger items. Sadly, the forefront of technology state has declined. The preliminary regulations are at:
http://bmcr.ca.gov/laws_regs/ceqa_initial_study.pdf

pharma is probably ready to start their own delivery systems to elders who cannot drive to get medicine... again, pharma is controlling the market and people easy access to medicine( plant medicine)

 

[Tranquility]

pharma is probably ready to start their own delivery systems to elders who cannot drive to get medicine... again, pharma is controlling the market and people easy access to medicine( plant medicine)

I have little doubt special interests are crafting the law to their liking. I envision a day when the robot truck comes around with some goods I want. Some minutes before arrival I get an Uber-like text to track as to when it arrives. I'll get out and put in some code on one of the many lockboxes on the truck to open the door and get my stuff.

Someday. But, not with cannabis.

Because of the requirements in the law, maybe we can have a driver going around like an ice-cream truck. When we hear "This is Love" playing on the truck's loud speaker, all the adults can run for the money jar and dash outside to get some "love".

 

[macbill]

Notice the time the article came out: 4:20 pm
Where can you open a pot shop? L.A. is hammering out those rules

Los Angeles took another step Thursday to prepare for the legal selling of recreational marijuana, hammering out proposed rules on where pot shops and other cannabis companies can operate.