LiLRUBYDOLL
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Hell yeah represent all them white boys bumping rap and getting high off crazy technology!!!!
Discontinued VRIPtech Heating Wand
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Glad you liked the beat LilRUBYDOLL! Found that one on a Caution Kitesurf video a couple of years back actually and said right then and there we'd use it for a VRIP video some day...finally got the chance to show the newly dropped VCB4.2 kit.
LiLRUBYDOLL
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Really interested in your product, I have just purchased two vapes lol and I only have three so that's a splurge. But I am really intrigued by your product and have been for a while. I have seen the videos but I'm sure you have used some of the other top vapes? Maybe the cloudevo, ssv, or e-nano? Would you say the current model of your product produces bigger hits then those vapes?
thevapedcrusader
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Congratulations Mark!
Abysmal Vapor
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New bowl looks awesome.. I like it cause you can watch budporn getting vaporized 
What up family Mark here again Shadow still on medical leave back shortly and we'll be trading off and on as usual again. Appreciate the congrats VapeCrusader we're really pleased with how the flow of blessings continue...can't give thanks enough!
And thanks for the interest LiLRUBYDOLL! I am familiar with and have used the original Cloud (0ne of their first production equiv protos I think) and I have been told the EVO is the same concept improved for consistency in function and a nicer housing. I can't say enough good things it's an awesome and innovative device with much love and passion for the quality of vapor behind it which is more than can be said unfortunately about many of the devices/companies out there in this now kind of crowded marketplace. StoneMonkey is a long time friend of mine and VRIP I'll say to be transparent, but I will also tell you like I see it because straight is how I communicate.
The Cloud's main differences in comparison of use to the current VHW based VRIP kit is the ability to hold it with one hand using a hydratube configuration once the herb cartridge is packed, inserted and assembled for use OR by holding it straight onto a more standard configuration water pipe or bubbler with a two handed technique; whereas the VRIP kit is dedicated to maintaining the two handed ritual of conventional water pipe or bubbler smoking (just improve the delivery to broad spectrum vapor) and by intention is compatible with virtually all standard downstem configured 14.4mm or 18.8mm bowl accepting water pipes or bubblers, i.e. you pack a bowl and put an intake on as the extra step to give it the heat tool interface and sequential venturi VRIP difference flowform, then hold your heat source to the bowl ideally paying attention to and participating in the extraction so that you may milk it exactly the way you want it (super clean and medical, skim milk blue and full spectrum to the edge of smoke, or hybrid vapor smoke with traces of white). With our new 4.2 kit you literally watch the flowers melt and turn from green to brown in front of your eyes AND you can see the vapor (color, body/thickness) as your real time indicators in the tube if you're using one of our VWT vapor-specific water tools with the lazy boy kick back on the top or many other pieces out there that give you a line of site to the bottom of the tube while hitting it (go concentrated skim milk "blue" for best results IMHO). With both the Cloud and the VRIP you have the potentiometer temp setting AND the rate of pull as ways to fine tune your vapor quality --- with the VRIP you can also "crack the seal" mid-VRIP if it's getting too thick or keep it fully sealed to thicken it up. Also, the Cloud has an LED light indicator whereas the VRIP does not for when it is to the temp you have set --- with the VRIP you just watch it glow and when it starts cycling as opposed to glowing solid it's there. Really from a use perspective it comes down to preference of ritual I'd say.
Both the VRIP and the Cloud use a glass heating and delivery surface and enable moisture and/or ice conditioning dependent upon the water tools used. The Cloud uses a small stainless flower chamber, but has an all glass concentrate configuration that I've heard works really, really good, but haven't had a chance to try yet --- it's on the to do list when I get back to the states this spring. The VRIP's extraction chamber is all glass for flowers right now assuming you're using our glass screens (static stainless or titanium screens can be used also if preferred) and works absolutely great from all of my experience (but please ask for customers to chime in on their personal experience --- there are many with the legacy bowls and at least a few with the new 4.2 kit on FC). The VRIP can also be used with concentrates, but you presently have to use either glass beads, stacked glass screens or a custom sized health stone (discussed somewhere on this thread) if you want to only melt concentrates in the VRIP which can be a little messy and clumsy; I usually just put concentrates on top of some ground flowers and enjoy the slower longer melt and absurdly thick vapor that way to keep it cleaner and easier process-wise. We have the VRIPDAB protonail in development (a few posts back there are pics and a discussion of where it is) that should be in production this spring and will enable the all glass heating, extraction and delivery benefits of the VRIP to be more easily gained with concentrates used by themselves simply by inserting it in the new VCB4.2 before putting the intake on and sealing the wand up (again, check the pics a few post back). I've played with the prototype and all I can say is it's melty melty goodness more than enough for even the heartiest of heads! It is a "reverse dab" vapor approach so will never be as fast and thick as a conventional "dab," but it is a lot more controlled and cleaner than what can be accomplished with a torch and nail (the next version after the one in the pics is longer so you do have the option of even higher heat because it puts the concentrate right under the hot glass tip of the VHW so hybrid vapor/smoke will be possible if that is the preference).
The Cloud is larger than the VHW, but you benefit protection for your glass heating path with that housing whereas with the VHW the housing and glass is smaller, but the glass is exposed so don't drop it or you'll be replacing it as the cost for the compact ergonomics (we have a number of customers who now hang it from their ceiling surgical device stylee as the safest approach!). That said, there is a fair difference in price and we believe the modular design of the VHW/VCB kit (only replace what you broke or what has worn out) and the performance capabilities thereof represent the best value in "luxury vapor" assuming the water pipe-style ritual is one with which you can get down and you're good with the general inability of the VHW glass cover to survive bonks and errts in most cases --- it's not for the butter fingered! If it is not a good fit for you for these reasons than the Cloud is the one we have and will continue to recommend as the best way to go for sure for those that want as much glass as possible and the least amount of metal or metallic ceramic materials in the path.
Oh, and if you've got a heat gun for working with concentrates or old school vaporizing I should add that the new VCB4.2 interface is universal accepting not only all the legacy, 3.0 current and the future 4.2 model of the VHW, but also most heat guns and for sure all the Steinel manufactured non-alumina ceramic encapsulated element based HGs which makes for a nice cost effective and ridiculously robust back-up heat source should you butter finger the VHW and need to get by until you've got your replacement glass cover.
I have never actually used the SSV myself, but have heard it's a great whip style vaporizer and I love that it is made in the States. I have just checked their website for updates from what I have seen before and it looks like they must have a great glass shop too! You can't deny the value of a personalized aesthetic and options they have in spades. I can't tell for sure, but I'm pretty sure it is still a ceramic cartridge style heater with glass around it, but not encapsulating it (please correct me if I'm wrong anybody in the knowing) so your convective air flow is actually heated by direct contact with the alumina ceramic (I know their LSV works this way) and not hot glass which from an OCD Flavor Snob's perspective isn't as ideal due to the polarity of the alumina not being neutral as the polarity of glass (flavor considerations as a result of the polarity are because terpenes, the flavor molecules, are polar or charged molecules). You could do a lot worse than an alumina element though (Volcano uses a straight up aluminum block and many other vaporizers use raw exposed metal/alloy) and they do have great glass fittings including an all glass delivery mouthpiece alternative to the vinyl "whip" which appears to be the usual configuration and definitely would not get past a Flavor Snob's inspection. And of course, the value and durability of the SSV is great I'm sure so there are your trade-offs to consider from my perspective. I've heard good things about the company and their customer support from customers we've had in common.
Hope that helps --- I'd encourage you to go to the Cloud EVO and SSV specific forum threads too if you haven't already and ask questions of their representatives and actual customers there for sure. And the best deal is if you can find someone who will let you try the different vapes you're looking at first....I know with VRIP we are a "Pepsi Challenge" type of product for sure. It's all about experiencing the difference first breath.
Thanks for the props Absymal Vapor the ability to clearly watch the flowers melt and dry out was what first struck me about the new 4.2 kit in use as a nice upgrade from the legacy VCBs --- I was so stoked on that we put the decals down on the ground joint section instead of blocking that nice clear "vapor optic" quality glass!
And thanks for the interest LiLRUBYDOLL! I am familiar with and have used the original Cloud (0ne of their first production equiv protos I think) and I have been told the EVO is the same concept improved for consistency in function and a nicer housing. I can't say enough good things it's an awesome and innovative device with much love and passion for the quality of vapor behind it which is more than can be said unfortunately about many of the devices/companies out there in this now kind of crowded marketplace. StoneMonkey is a long time friend of mine and VRIP I'll say to be transparent, but I will also tell you like I see it because straight is how I communicate.
The Cloud's main differences in comparison of use to the current VHW based VRIP kit is the ability to hold it with one hand using a hydratube configuration once the herb cartridge is packed, inserted and assembled for use OR by holding it straight onto a more standard configuration water pipe or bubbler with a two handed technique; whereas the VRIP kit is dedicated to maintaining the two handed ritual of conventional water pipe or bubbler smoking (just improve the delivery to broad spectrum vapor) and by intention is compatible with virtually all standard downstem configured 14.4mm or 18.8mm bowl accepting water pipes or bubblers, i.e. you pack a bowl and put an intake on as the extra step to give it the heat tool interface and sequential venturi VRIP difference flowform, then hold your heat source to the bowl ideally paying attention to and participating in the extraction so that you may milk it exactly the way you want it (super clean and medical, skim milk blue and full spectrum to the edge of smoke, or hybrid vapor smoke with traces of white). With our new 4.2 kit you literally watch the flowers melt and turn from green to brown in front of your eyes AND you can see the vapor (color, body/thickness) as your real time indicators in the tube if you're using one of our VWT vapor-specific water tools with the lazy boy kick back on the top or many other pieces out there that give you a line of site to the bottom of the tube while hitting it (go concentrated skim milk "blue" for best results IMHO). With both the Cloud and the VRIP you have the potentiometer temp setting AND the rate of pull as ways to fine tune your vapor quality --- with the VRIP you can also "crack the seal" mid-VRIP if it's getting too thick or keep it fully sealed to thicken it up. Also, the Cloud has an LED light indicator whereas the VRIP does not for when it is to the temp you have set --- with the VRIP you just watch it glow and when it starts cycling as opposed to glowing solid it's there. Really from a use perspective it comes down to preference of ritual I'd say.
Both the VRIP and the Cloud use a glass heating and delivery surface and enable moisture and/or ice conditioning dependent upon the water tools used. The Cloud uses a small stainless flower chamber, but has an all glass concentrate configuration that I've heard works really, really good, but haven't had a chance to try yet --- it's on the to do list when I get back to the states this spring. The VRIP's extraction chamber is all glass for flowers right now assuming you're using our glass screens (static stainless or titanium screens can be used also if preferred) and works absolutely great from all of my experience (but please ask for customers to chime in on their personal experience --- there are many with the legacy bowls and at least a few with the new 4.2 kit on FC). The VRIP can also be used with concentrates, but you presently have to use either glass beads, stacked glass screens or a custom sized health stone (discussed somewhere on this thread) if you want to only melt concentrates in the VRIP which can be a little messy and clumsy; I usually just put concentrates on top of some ground flowers and enjoy the slower longer melt and absurdly thick vapor that way to keep it cleaner and easier process-wise. We have the VRIPDAB protonail in development (a few posts back there are pics and a discussion of where it is) that should be in production this spring and will enable the all glass heating, extraction and delivery benefits of the VRIP to be more easily gained with concentrates used by themselves simply by inserting it in the new VCB4.2 before putting the intake on and sealing the wand up (again, check the pics a few post back). I've played with the prototype and all I can say is it's melty melty goodness more than enough for even the heartiest of heads! It is a "reverse dab" vapor approach so will never be as fast and thick as a conventional "dab," but it is a lot more controlled and cleaner than what can be accomplished with a torch and nail (the next version after the one in the pics is longer so you do have the option of even higher heat because it puts the concentrate right under the hot glass tip of the VHW so hybrid vapor/smoke will be possible if that is the preference).
The Cloud is larger than the VHW, but you benefit protection for your glass heating path with that housing whereas with the VHW the housing and glass is smaller, but the glass is exposed so don't drop it or you'll be replacing it as the cost for the compact ergonomics (we have a number of customers who now hang it from their ceiling surgical device stylee as the safest approach!). That said, there is a fair difference in price and we believe the modular design of the VHW/VCB kit (only replace what you broke or what has worn out) and the performance capabilities thereof represent the best value in "luxury vapor" assuming the water pipe-style ritual is one with which you can get down and you're good with the general inability of the VHW glass cover to survive bonks and errts in most cases --- it's not for the butter fingered! If it is not a good fit for you for these reasons than the Cloud is the one we have and will continue to recommend as the best way to go for sure for those that want as much glass as possible and the least amount of metal or metallic ceramic materials in the path.
Oh, and if you've got a heat gun for working with concentrates or old school vaporizing I should add that the new VCB4.2 interface is universal accepting not only all the legacy, 3.0 current and the future 4.2 model of the VHW, but also most heat guns and for sure all the Steinel manufactured non-alumina ceramic encapsulated element based HGs which makes for a nice cost effective and ridiculously robust back-up heat source should you butter finger the VHW and need to get by until you've got your replacement glass cover.
I have never actually used the SSV myself, but have heard it's a great whip style vaporizer and I love that it is made in the States. I have just checked their website for updates from what I have seen before and it looks like they must have a great glass shop too! You can't deny the value of a personalized aesthetic and options they have in spades. I can't tell for sure, but I'm pretty sure it is still a ceramic cartridge style heater with glass around it, but not encapsulating it (please correct me if I'm wrong anybody in the knowing) so your convective air flow is actually heated by direct contact with the alumina ceramic (I know their LSV works this way) and not hot glass which from an OCD Flavor Snob's perspective isn't as ideal due to the polarity of the alumina not being neutral as the polarity of glass (flavor considerations as a result of the polarity are because terpenes, the flavor molecules, are polar or charged molecules). You could do a lot worse than an alumina element though (Volcano uses a straight up aluminum block and many other vaporizers use raw exposed metal/alloy) and they do have great glass fittings including an all glass delivery mouthpiece alternative to the vinyl "whip" which appears to be the usual configuration and definitely would not get past a Flavor Snob's inspection. And of course, the value and durability of the SSV is great I'm sure so there are your trade-offs to consider from my perspective. I've heard good things about the company and their customer support from customers we've had in common.
Hope that helps --- I'd encourage you to go to the Cloud EVO and SSV specific forum threads too if you haven't already and ask questions of their representatives and actual customers there for sure. And the best deal is if you can find someone who will let you try the different vapes you're looking at first....I know with VRIP we are a "Pepsi Challenge" type of product for sure. It's all about experiencing the difference first breath.
Thanks for the props Absymal Vapor the ability to clearly watch the flowers melt and dry out was what first struck me about the new 4.2 kit in use as a nice upgrade from the legacy VCBs --- I was so stoked on that we put the decals down on the ground joint section instead of blocking that nice clear "vapor optic" quality glass!
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Yeah yeah and if I'm not mistaken you where one of the straight intake campaigners too weren't you Niall!!! You're going to be stoked I'm sure of it...that said the new custom Viton VHWTS4.2 (the 4.2 "patch" tip seals) just showed and should be on the site with installation/usage tips soon so if you want to run a slightly lower temp with the wand by benefiting a full - on perfect seal or want a more forgiving seal in that you don't have to hold the wand perfectly straight or really want some angle like the old offset intakes afforded and the next gen VHW4.2 will give you there is an option and because it's Viton it will last a lot longer than the silicon tip seals. Purely optional though and purely EXTERNAL still all glass heating, extraction and delivery path!!!
What up family just wanted to post a quick pick of the new VHWTS4.2 tip seal for retro-fitting legacy VHWs through Ver. 3.0. It is a $3 optional component although will ship included with all VHWs or kits including a VHW moving forward (if you bought a VHW for use with a VCB4.2 between Nov 30th and today just hit us up at info@vriptech.com and one will be comped no charge). It is optional because as discussed previously you can use the legacy VHWs with the new VCB4.2 chamber bowls with the standard medical grade silicon tip seals we've always used or with no tip seal at all you just have to be sure to hold it fairly straight in the intake to affect a sufficient seal; the new VCB4.2s put the bowl closer to the heat because the intake is shorter so an absolutely "PERFECT" seal is not required (see previously posted video where it is used as most customers to date have used it WITHOUT a tip seal glass on glass only). The VHWTS4.2 coveys the ability to hold it straight or at a slight angle all the way around the spherical heat interface (VRIP IS ambidextrous!) and benefit a "PERFECT" seal (so you can run slightly lower heat) --- basically it makes it more forgiving in terms of how you hold the wand (ergonomics) conveying some of the advantages that will be gained with the glass on glass socket tip on the next gen VHW4.2. And if you're one of those people that like to come at the bowl at a more extreme angle you can set the seal at a bit of an angle on the tip of the wand and then have a seal holding it more angled. It is a custom high-temp Viton seal so took forever to get and yes was expensive!!! The great news is that the Viton should last much longer than the medical grade silicon at the temps we're running and because it is a fully EXTERNAL seal only the heating, extraction, and delivery paths are still 100% ALL-GLASS for full on VRIP Flavor Country vapor of course!
Sorry for the cell phone pic we'll have some professional Nebu quality pics ASAP just didn't want to leave you hanging as we've gotten quite a few inquiries on the new tip seal. We've also got quite a few inquiries on the optional stainless clamp-on carb handles for the new VCB4.2s and we just received them from Germany so I'll get a pic of one posted ASAP as well. This is one carb handle even the most butter fingered amongst us will NOT be breaking!
Sorry for the cell phone pic we'll have some professional Nebu quality pics ASAP just didn't want to leave you hanging as we've gotten quite a few inquiries on the new tip seal. We've also got quite a few inquiries on the optional stainless clamp-on carb handles for the new VCB4.2s and we just received them from Germany so I'll get a pic of one posted ASAP as well. This is one carb handle even the most butter fingered amongst us will NOT be breaking!
eddiezheadiez
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Hello everyone. This is my first time posting on this thread. Is there any info about the upcoming VHW 4.2? I couldn't seem to find any. Also I noticed in a few youtube videos that people were using a one piece bowl. Where can those be found? Here's an example.
Kief
Medicated
It's all here in this thread, read the last few pages.
That bowl is interesting, I like the steps... I'd also like to know where it came from if it isn't custom. You will probably have to find those on your own, most bowls are hand blown and never 100% alike. You could take your wand with you to a LHS and try to find the perfect fit, most shops will let you do this as long as your gear is clean. Your other option is to have one custom made by a local blower.
With so many VHW owners using a one-piece bowl successfully, I think it would be smart for VripTech to make their own... even if Mark doesn't like using it. Some users prefer a short one-piece bowl over the VCB's because they don't have to prime/preheat just to get started and there isn't as much glass to heat-up or cool-down during the session. He could sell both, but still recommend his 2-piece design over the other. It would be designed for the VHW, so it should work better than a combustion bowl. The lower cost (under $30) would definitely appeal to many users and would create a more affordable option to buy the complete vape... appealing to many more potential buyers.
@ShadowVape - Mark, I do understand how your "Vaporization Chambers" work and why you designed them the way you did... no need for an explanation. However, the advantages are small and most users will not notice and/or just don't care. They only see an $80 bowl and say, "fuck that, what is a cheaper option". Hard for some to justify spending $80 when they see users getting great vapor from a simple combustion bowl. Consider offering your customers what they want to buy, I believe you will profit from it.
eddiezheadiez
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@Kief From what I understand, the new wand will have a two piece glass heater cover and the wand will connect to the new bowl using a ground glass connection. Is this correct? Also, I found two more videos from different youtube accounts using the same bowl.
edit: I don't own a vriptech heat wand yet but I plan on purchasing one in the near future. I like the idea of a one piece bowl for ease of use, cleaning, and I like simplicity.
What's up eddiezheadiez? You understand correctly our new VHW design in development has a two piece cover (still all glass path) that great simplifies the mode of attachment and creates a more modular and cost-effective solution for replacement --- it also improves our ability to make the pieces more standardized with less of the hand blown glass deviation.
And thanks for helping out Kief greatly appreciate the explanation for eddiezheadiez and the feedback.
Many years ago Vrip actually did make one-piece chamber bowls with our sequential venturi design that looked very similar (longer intakes) to the ones in the sweet old school VHW videos posted by eddiezheadiez to explore a less expensive and simpler approach. The downside, especially back in those days when we where using the Swiss-made Steinel heat guns as a heat source and didn't have the VHW as an option was that the whole bowl would get so hot you couldn't pack another bowl for five minutes while you waited for it to cool down which kind of sucked. No it really sucked!
Hence our two piece design which conveys a thermal break and ease of cleaning IMHO. Using the wand with flowers you don't tend to heat the whole VCB up so much that you can't touch it (except for just the intake surface below the interface about half way down towards the bowl for a minute or so --- one of the reasons we where able to go optional on the carb handle with the new kit), and so disassembling and reassembling by simply holding the bowl stem and the lower and thickest part of the upper intake that doesn't get as hot is no problem. But with concentrates or with the HGs with forced air you do tend to heat the VCB up quite a bit more and emptying and repacking through the intake (even a shorter intake) was basically a scalded finger tip in the making (unless you're a glass blower in which case you've probably got heat calluses that improve tolerance). Some of our customers run our two piece VCBs assembled as a one piece bowl with flowers for quick sessions, and only take apart for cleaning or if running concentrates and heating it up more so the design gives an option. Another important consideration looking forward here is that we have the VRIP Dab Proto-Nail insert for the new VCB4.2 in development and plan on production starting in the next couple months. I've used the first protos and you're pulling heat for a much longer time than with flowers so even with the wand the VCB gets much hotter and it's nice to be able to pull apart sooner from surfaces that get less hot which wouldn't be the case with a one-piece bowl.
If you want the benefit of the sequential venturi flow-form that comes from a tapered intake or a taller tapered/stepped bowl if one-piece (trust me you do) and want the option of melting concentrates or running HGs or simply like hitting flowers for a long time and want to be able to pack subsequent bowls without waiting for the bowl to cool down or putting the oven mitt on then you really want a two piece VCB and the few bucks extra you pay for it will be quickly compensated for by the love of the results! If you're a one bowl melt-and-run type with flowers and a VHW you'd be good with a one piece bowl for sure though. Agreed.
The simplicity component of VRIP in use comes more from the ritual that is essentially the same as water pipe or bubbler smoking except for the intake being put on the bowl after you pack it (just like packing so many different bowls used for smoking), before you put the heat to the bowl. No cartridges, loaders, whips, bags, balloons or hoses! But yeah I agree a one piece bowl like the custom one in the videos (btw: the glass blower's name that made those sweet ones slips my mind, but it's in this thread 80 pages back or so --- please post it f anyone knows or goes back to find it) would work great for the right user and application, i.e. flowers and one bowl at a time or slow vapor no rush to pack additional bowls type of users.
We've reconsidered the one piece design for use with the wands to have a lower cost option and it's still on my mind, but besides the fact that users wanting a one piece bowl can virtually always find one that will work (take your VHW clean into a nice glass shop as Kief recommended and there is likely something that will work) the other issue is a simple legal one: the IP for putting a controlled heat source to a one piece bowl for vaporizing is that of David Wheeler and the Volatizer. I'm sure we could license though as VRIP has a good relationship with the current principal of the company who owns the patent (they like VRIP where one of the original three or four companies making functional vaporization kits back in the late '90s) I'm just not sure it's worth the effort given that very few customers ever ask for it and many customers complement the function and options of the two piece design for which we've got three different utility patents ourselves.
The new VCB4.2 design (that has a universal spherical heat interface accepting either the VHW heat wand for the true all-glass favoring flavor snobs amongst us and the Steinel HGs) uses a much shorter intake so a one piece bowl in the same size and shape would be more ideal than a one piece bowl in the same size and shape as our legacy VCBs with slightly longer intakes for sure though. We just can't presently endorse it for legal reasons even if we wanted to and either way want the pros and cons understood so the customers can make the best decision.
And thanks for helping out Kief greatly appreciate the explanation for eddiezheadiez and the feedback.
Many years ago Vrip actually did make one-piece chamber bowls with our sequential venturi design that looked very similar (longer intakes) to the ones in the sweet old school VHW videos posted by eddiezheadiez to explore a less expensive and simpler approach. The downside, especially back in those days when we where using the Swiss-made Steinel heat guns as a heat source and didn't have the VHW as an option was that the whole bowl would get so hot you couldn't pack another bowl for five minutes while you waited for it to cool down which kind of sucked. No it really sucked!
Hence our two piece design which conveys a thermal break and ease of cleaning IMHO. Using the wand with flowers you don't tend to heat the whole VCB up so much that you can't touch it (except for just the intake surface below the interface about half way down towards the bowl for a minute or so --- one of the reasons we where able to go optional on the carb handle with the new kit), and so disassembling and reassembling by simply holding the bowl stem and the lower and thickest part of the upper intake that doesn't get as hot is no problem. But with concentrates or with the HGs with forced air you do tend to heat the VCB up quite a bit more and emptying and repacking through the intake (even a shorter intake) was basically a scalded finger tip in the making (unless you're a glass blower in which case you've probably got heat calluses that improve tolerance). Some of our customers run our two piece VCBs assembled as a one piece bowl with flowers for quick sessions, and only take apart for cleaning or if running concentrates and heating it up more so the design gives an option. Another important consideration looking forward here is that we have the VRIP Dab Proto-Nail insert for the new VCB4.2 in development and plan on production starting in the next couple months. I've used the first protos and you're pulling heat for a much longer time than with flowers so even with the wand the VCB gets much hotter and it's nice to be able to pull apart sooner from surfaces that get less hot which wouldn't be the case with a one-piece bowl.
If you want the benefit of the sequential venturi flow-form that comes from a tapered intake or a taller tapered/stepped bowl if one-piece (trust me you do) and want the option of melting concentrates or running HGs or simply like hitting flowers for a long time and want to be able to pack subsequent bowls without waiting for the bowl to cool down or putting the oven mitt on then you really want a two piece VCB and the few bucks extra you pay for it will be quickly compensated for by the love of the results! If you're a one bowl melt-and-run type with flowers and a VHW you'd be good with a one piece bowl for sure though. Agreed.
The simplicity component of VRIP in use comes more from the ritual that is essentially the same as water pipe or bubbler smoking except for the intake being put on the bowl after you pack it (just like packing so many different bowls used for smoking), before you put the heat to the bowl. No cartridges, loaders, whips, bags, balloons or hoses! But yeah I agree a one piece bowl like the custom one in the videos (btw: the glass blower's name that made those sweet ones slips my mind, but it's in this thread 80 pages back or so --- please post it f anyone knows or goes back to find it) would work great for the right user and application, i.e. flowers and one bowl at a time or slow vapor no rush to pack additional bowls type of users.
We've reconsidered the one piece design for use with the wands to have a lower cost option and it's still on my mind, but besides the fact that users wanting a one piece bowl can virtually always find one that will work (take your VHW clean into a nice glass shop as Kief recommended and there is likely something that will work) the other issue is a simple legal one: the IP for putting a controlled heat source to a one piece bowl for vaporizing is that of David Wheeler and the Volatizer. I'm sure we could license though as VRIP has a good relationship with the current principal of the company who owns the patent (they like VRIP where one of the original three or four companies making functional vaporization kits back in the late '90s) I'm just not sure it's worth the effort given that very few customers ever ask for it and many customers complement the function and options of the two piece design for which we've got three different utility patents ourselves.
The new VCB4.2 design (that has a universal spherical heat interface accepting either the VHW heat wand for the true all-glass favoring flavor snobs amongst us and the Steinel HGs) uses a much shorter intake so a one piece bowl in the same size and shape would be more ideal than a one piece bowl in the same size and shape as our legacy VCBs with slightly longer intakes for sure though. We just can't presently endorse it for legal reasons even if we wanted to and either way want the pros and cons understood so the customers can make the best decision.
eddiezheadiez
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Thanks for the thorough explanation of everything ShadowVape. It seems as if the new VCB4.2 might be a better fit for me because, on top of all the reasons you mentioned, the VCB appears to use less herb than some of the custom bowls I saw in this thread. This brings up the question: How much herb fits in the new VCB? Sorry if this has been answered already, my search was unsuccessful.
I definitely like the water pipe ritual associated with this vape. It makes stirring and loading the herb much easier IMO, especially compared to the Vapexhale, which I enjoyed until I started getting annoyed with the ELB's. I also enjoyed the LSV which offers a similar experience, but after some reading I am no longer comfortable with the ceramic heating element in contact with the air I breathe. The VHW solves the issues I had with those vapes.
If I were to purchase a VHW 3.0, would I be able to easily upgrade to a 4.2? Would I just need the new heater cover? Or are there other changes being made?
Once again, thank you Shadowvape. You seem to have a lot of pride in the VHW and also a lot of vaping knowledge, which I respect.
I definitely like the water pipe ritual associated with this vape. It makes stirring and loading the herb much easier IMO, especially compared to the Vapexhale, which I enjoyed until I started getting annoyed with the ELB's. I also enjoyed the LSV which offers a similar experience, but after some reading I am no longer comfortable with the ceramic heating element in contact with the air I breathe. The VHW solves the issues I had with those vapes.
If I were to purchase a VHW 3.0, would I be able to easily upgrade to a 4.2? Would I just need the new heater cover? Or are there other changes being made?
Once again, thank you Shadowvape. You seem to have a lot of pride in the VHW and also a lot of vaping knowledge, which I respect.
Right on Eddiezheadieze this is actually Mark founder of VRIP I'm overseas and have more time on my hands than normal when back in Cali and have been holding down FC and some CS for Shadow who has had some medical challenges lately. We normally tit for tat on here depending upon the nature of the dialogue. Shadow hands off to me if it gets technical usually or if someone is getting rambunctious (has happened a couple of times but the moderators on FC are great!). Anyone can get to me direct at headvripper@vriptech.com but always copy Shadow at info@vriptech.com just to be sure because the account gets slammed sometimes.
Yeah we're definitely about the all glass purity and polarity (alumina not ideal) AND maintaining a ritual that we know and love more than anything else. Every functional device/system has merits and we often recommend VapeXhale for those that love the VRIP all-glass path concept, but want one handed operation and/or are turned off by the fragility of the exposed glass on the VHW. For me there is something to be said about ritual and from day one back in the late '90s when VRIP was born it was my goal to stay as close to the one-hit snap through school of water pipe smoking that I loved as a young buck just improve the substance, concentration, and flavor of what was delivered. That is how VRIP was born. That and I love supporting functional glass art --- love that shit just hated smoking and never turned back once I tasted vapor playing with a heat gun and a reducer nozzle on an old Graffix!
The 4.2 cover will go on the same heater as the 3.0 so would just be a different glass component. We are rallying to make a few changes to the heater too (would still be same element though can't improve upon it), but I'm not going to let it hold up the next gen glass and when you start working with the electronics it doesn't move fast. We always offer "bro/sis-form" upgrades to existing customers if we change something big and phase out a legacy component to ease the pain of staying current too so something to keep in mind. Our customers are family; we don't really advertise as you've probably noticed or not noticed I guess that would be. I know we have a lot of new customers "waiting on the 4.2 wand" which pains me because using a 3.0 (with or without the existing or new 4.2 "patch" tip seal) with the VCB4.2 works so friggin good and at such a great value IMHO. Especially if you've got a nice glass piece that would work well with the VRIP set-up because all you need is the VHW and the VCB4.2 --- the math is pretty friendly comparatively speaking.
Yeah we're definitely about the all glass purity and polarity (alumina not ideal) AND maintaining a ritual that we know and love more than anything else. Every functional device/system has merits and we often recommend VapeXhale for those that love the VRIP all-glass path concept, but want one handed operation and/or are turned off by the fragility of the exposed glass on the VHW. For me there is something to be said about ritual and from day one back in the late '90s when VRIP was born it was my goal to stay as close to the one-hit snap through school of water pipe smoking that I loved as a young buck just improve the substance, concentration, and flavor of what was delivered. That is how VRIP was born. That and I love supporting functional glass art --- love that shit just hated smoking and never turned back once I tasted vapor playing with a heat gun and a reducer nozzle on an old Graffix!
The 4.2 cover will go on the same heater as the 3.0 so would just be a different glass component. We are rallying to make a few changes to the heater too (would still be same element though can't improve upon it), but I'm not going to let it hold up the next gen glass and when you start working with the electronics it doesn't move fast. We always offer "bro/sis-form" upgrades to existing customers if we change something big and phase out a legacy component to ease the pain of staying current too so something to keep in mind. Our customers are family; we don't really advertise as you've probably noticed or not noticed I guess that would be. I know we have a lot of new customers "waiting on the 4.2 wand" which pains me because using a 3.0 (with or without the existing or new 4.2 "patch" tip seal) with the VCB4.2 works so friggin good and at such a great value IMHO. Especially if you've got a nice glass piece that would work well with the VRIP set-up because all you need is the VHW and the VCB4.2 --- the math is pretty friendly comparatively speaking.
PPN
Volute of Vapor
Hi, I was always curious about your vape, but the lack of feedbacks take me away...
Maybe I'll try to get one with a trade or I see Alchimia get it in their shop...is it an authorized retailer?
I thought you are the same guys who created the Cloud...but it's a mistake I think...
Maybe I'll try to get one with a trade or I see Alchimia get it in their shop...is it an authorized retailer?
I thought you are the same guys who created the Cloud...but it's a mistake I think...
Right on PPN --- we where the company back in the late '90s pushing vaporization through water pipes as both the ultimate in harm reduction and the ultimate inhalation! People thought I was crazy and maybe I was a little, but it was a lot of fun traveling the world to turn people on to vapor and the people I met and relationships I cultivated and still enjoy today as a result are second to none. Back in those days our taste of vapor shared was usually the first taste of vapor or proper (mostly convective/glass path) vapor anyway someone had ever had. It was cool watching people's lives change right in front of you! It was always the taste that got them first and then they realized they didn't have any throat or lung burn but felt stronger effects and it was on. People largely didn't believe that "vapor worked" in the early days of the Vapor Revolution because if they had tried it at all the fishbowl collected conduction vapor (early vaporizers) they inhaled was so oxidized it was a nap waiting to happen even if you started with the raciest and most energetic of herbs; and it tasted like burnt popcorn from pull#1! VRIP, Volatizer, and of course, the Eagle Bill early convective vapor systems using heat guns or the volatizer wand changed all of that and lead to the industry you see today.
We didn't create the Cloud, but we helped to inspire it! StoneMonkey the founder of VapeXhale is an old customer who became a close friend and who for awhile worked right across the street from my place so got to play with the early VHWs well before they where sold to the public (I had early protos made by Hot Glass and then HiSi who is our glass blowing partner going back six or seven years before we sold them to the public --- it was StoneMonkey who convinced me the world was ready when I wasn't so sure). He wanted to create an all glass path system to get the better quality vapor of the VRIP kit, but for the one-handed and less involved in the extraction preferences of some users (whereas I've always been about the water pipe smoking ritual so you use two hands and consciously participate in the extraction) and something that was more durable than the VHW design with a housing around the glass heat exchanger. This is what lead to the founding of VapeXhale and the design of the Cloud with hydrotubes. If you go back to the beginning of this thread you'll see he was the one who started it and shared a bunch of early videos of him using the VHW. We're great friends and I can't say enough good things about what he and his team are doing for the industry with VapeXhale. We often recommend the Cloud for those that aren't about the water pipe ritual, want one handed function, and/or want a more durable heater and are willing to accept a larger form function to get it, but are intrigued by the idea of all glass heating, extraction and delivery. IMHO it's the best "vaporizer" for delivering luxury vapor while our VHW/VCB product model is the best "vaporization tools" approach for luxury vapor that will work on just about any water pipe or bubbler out there so represents a great value if you've already got glass you like to use that would be a good fit for our kit and you're down with the water pipe ritual and not scared of the fragility of glass to benefit it's purity and function.
I think the shop you're referencing is a Spanish shop right? They may be buying our glass through our Spanish distributor Hortitec who has the VHW3.0 wand and legacy VCBS bowls, but hasn't gotten the new VCB4.2s yet because we just launched them. I'm sure they will soon though!
Also PPN we don't have a review function on our website but one of our distributors does and I just checked it and there are six reviews there. Their product descriptions can be a little confusing and they don't have the newest VCBs (they do have the VHW 3.0s though and legacy bowls for anyone trying to find them --- we don't sell them anymore). The link to their review page where there are six reviews is below:
https://www.vaporstore.com/proddetail.php?prod=vriptech-heat-wand-60w-120v&review=all&cat=130
We didn't create the Cloud, but we helped to inspire it! StoneMonkey the founder of VapeXhale is an old customer who became a close friend and who for awhile worked right across the street from my place so got to play with the early VHWs well before they where sold to the public (I had early protos made by Hot Glass and then HiSi who is our glass blowing partner going back six or seven years before we sold them to the public --- it was StoneMonkey who convinced me the world was ready when I wasn't so sure). He wanted to create an all glass path system to get the better quality vapor of the VRIP kit, but for the one-handed and less involved in the extraction preferences of some users (whereas I've always been about the water pipe smoking ritual so you use two hands and consciously participate in the extraction) and something that was more durable than the VHW design with a housing around the glass heat exchanger. This is what lead to the founding of VapeXhale and the design of the Cloud with hydrotubes. If you go back to the beginning of this thread you'll see he was the one who started it and shared a bunch of early videos of him using the VHW. We're great friends and I can't say enough good things about what he and his team are doing for the industry with VapeXhale. We often recommend the Cloud for those that aren't about the water pipe ritual, want one handed function, and/or want a more durable heater and are willing to accept a larger form function to get it, but are intrigued by the idea of all glass heating, extraction and delivery. IMHO it's the best "vaporizer" for delivering luxury vapor while our VHW/VCB product model is the best "vaporization tools" approach for luxury vapor that will work on just about any water pipe or bubbler out there so represents a great value if you've already got glass you like to use that would be a good fit for our kit and you're down with the water pipe ritual and not scared of the fragility of glass to benefit it's purity and function.
I think the shop you're referencing is a Spanish shop right? They may be buying our glass through our Spanish distributor Hortitec who has the VHW3.0 wand and legacy VCBS bowls, but hasn't gotten the new VCB4.2s yet because we just launched them. I'm sure they will soon though!
Also PPN we don't have a review function on our website but one of our distributors does and I just checked it and there are six reviews there. Their product descriptions can be a little confusing and they don't have the newest VCBs (they do have the VHW 3.0s though and legacy bowls for anyone trying to find them --- we don't sell them anymore). The link to their review page where there are six reviews is below:
https://www.vaporstore.com/proddetail.php?prod=vriptech-heat-wand-60w-120v&review=all&cat=130
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mixchu69
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Hey shadowvape,
I am looking into desktop plug in vaporizers and decided on the herbie and Evo. I was wondering what pieces do I exactly need to start vaporizing with the vrip. I also want the ability to vape concentrates (and read you are creating it in a few months). I have a water pipe. Can you please let me know the pieces I need to buy that is the most recent setup for you. Thanks.
I am looking into desktop plug in vaporizers and decided on the herbie and Evo. I was wondering what pieces do I exactly need to start vaporizing with the vrip. I also want the ability to vape concentrates (and read you are creating it in a few months). I have a water pipe. Can you please let me know the pieces I need to buy that is the most recent setup for you. Thanks.
No worries mixchu69 and you've actually got Mark McCoy founder of VRIP because Shadow has been out on medical --- we trade off on here regularly though. Both units you've got are great! You're obviously what I like to call a "luxury vapor" customer.
If you want to give the VRIP kit a go and have a nice glass piece all you need to do is determine what size VCB you need (we make 14.4mm and 18.8mm standard GonG) and get a VHW 3.0 with it as your heat source. So you're looking at two required products from us: a VCB4.2_14.4mm or 18.8mm depending upon what your piece accepts and a VHW 3.0 that will ship with both the standard silicon tip seal (cut piece of high temp medical silicon hose) and the new 4.2 tip seal that gives you more range and a better seal with the new style intakes. The VCB4.2 comes with one of our custom sized honeycomb glass screens so we also recommend an extra pair or two which is part code VGS4.2 and you'll see it recommended in the VCB4.2 product description with a link below it on VripTech.com in the VHW catalogue --- links below include the VCB4.2_14.4mm our most popular size 18.8mm also available.
http://www.vriptech.com/mm5/merchan...re_Code=VR&Product_Code=VHW&Category_Code=VHW
http://www.vriptech.com/mm5/merchan...&Product_Code=VCB4_2_14_4mm&Category_Code=VHW
http://www.vriptech.com/mm5/merchan...Code=VR&Product_Code=VGS4_2&Category_Code=VHW
Most customers to date who have upgraded to the VCB4.2 and have it in use with the VHW 3.0 are using it with no tip seal at all you just have to hold it straight in there and run a slightly higher temp since it's not a "Perfect" seal, but rather just a very functional seal (new intakes are shorter than old ones so more range on the heat since shorter distance for the heat to travel now). Either way you can experiment with it and decide what works best for you. We have the VRIPDab ProtoNail insert in development and it should be in production this spring. There are a few pics of one of the ProtoNails a page or two back and there is also a video showing the new VCB4.2 in use with a VHW 3.0 withOUT a tip seal so you can get an idea of the functionality glass on glass no seal (keep in mind even if you use the seal though it is an external seal so the heating, extraction, and delivery path is all glass). Stay posted in the late spring or early summer we hope to have the VHW 4.2 revised glass cover featuring a ground glass socket connection that will mate perfectly with the new spherical heat interface on the VCB4.2s and give you the ability to have an angled connection that still seals withOUT a seal --- all glass on glass. The heater will be the same though so you could upgrade from an existing VHW3.0 by swapping the glass cover and as always with VRIP we'll be offering Bro/Sis-Form upgrade courtesy deals to make the upgrade happen less painfully. I've been using the VCB4.2 with a VHW 3.0 glass on glass now for a few months and absolutely love it...a definite upgrade from our legacy VCBs!
If you want to give the VRIP kit a go and have a nice glass piece all you need to do is determine what size VCB you need (we make 14.4mm and 18.8mm standard GonG) and get a VHW 3.0 with it as your heat source. So you're looking at two required products from us: a VCB4.2_14.4mm or 18.8mm depending upon what your piece accepts and a VHW 3.0 that will ship with both the standard silicon tip seal (cut piece of high temp medical silicon hose) and the new 4.2 tip seal that gives you more range and a better seal with the new style intakes. The VCB4.2 comes with one of our custom sized honeycomb glass screens so we also recommend an extra pair or two which is part code VGS4.2 and you'll see it recommended in the VCB4.2 product description with a link below it on VripTech.com in the VHW catalogue --- links below include the VCB4.2_14.4mm our most popular size 18.8mm also available.
http://www.vriptech.com/mm5/merchan...re_Code=VR&Product_Code=VHW&Category_Code=VHW
http://www.vriptech.com/mm5/merchan...&Product_Code=VCB4_2_14_4mm&Category_Code=VHW
http://www.vriptech.com/mm5/merchan...Code=VR&Product_Code=VGS4_2&Category_Code=VHW
Most customers to date who have upgraded to the VCB4.2 and have it in use with the VHW 3.0 are using it with no tip seal at all you just have to hold it straight in there and run a slightly higher temp since it's not a "Perfect" seal, but rather just a very functional seal (new intakes are shorter than old ones so more range on the heat since shorter distance for the heat to travel now). Either way you can experiment with it and decide what works best for you. We have the VRIPDab ProtoNail insert in development and it should be in production this spring. There are a few pics of one of the ProtoNails a page or two back and there is also a video showing the new VCB4.2 in use with a VHW 3.0 withOUT a tip seal so you can get an idea of the functionality glass on glass no seal (keep in mind even if you use the seal though it is an external seal so the heating, extraction, and delivery path is all glass). Stay posted in the late spring or early summer we hope to have the VHW 4.2 revised glass cover featuring a ground glass socket connection that will mate perfectly with the new spherical heat interface on the VCB4.2s and give you the ability to have an angled connection that still seals withOUT a seal --- all glass on glass. The heater will be the same though so you could upgrade from an existing VHW3.0 by swapping the glass cover and as always with VRIP we'll be offering Bro/Sis-Form upgrade courtesy deals to make the upgrade happen less painfully. I've been using the VCB4.2 with a VHW 3.0 glass on glass now for a few months and absolutely love it...a definite upgrade from our legacy VCBs!
mixchu69
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I can envision purchasing this before the herbie and evo, and can be a solution where I don't need to purchase either. This looks like a perfect solution for PURE CONVECTION DABBING. Also, this is a reasonably priced versatile plug-in that can do everything, and I don't need to buy expensive hydratubes, instead using the pieces I have. Flowers are just a bonus.
niall
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Yep I'm hoping the OD means it fits Dave Goldstein tubes
Hey you don't have handles on the new bowls? Do they not get much heat? I figured with the ground joint there'd be more heat transferred than the o-ring?
Yeah bro I've got a Goldstein next up in my glass habit queue too!!! Funny shit! You can use a M-F adapter if you get one that is set up with a female accepting down tube (like they prefer on many oil only rigs) so should be good to go (we may start carrying these too I've got a great American ground joint partner now and this issue has come up a few times). We didn't run glass handles on the new 4.2 bowls to keep it clean and simple and because it was always the first part to break (always is on most glass bowls) and at least with flowers and with the VHW (most of our current customers) it isn't an issue at all --- it's not an issue with the HG for most users either although it will get a little hotter. The glass is thicker on these pieces and especially right at the ground surfaces which are intentionally ground a hair looser than standard joints to customize it for our application (micro thermal break and less likely to get stuck) so the additional thermal mass helps the cause big time. If we decide it becomes an issue we can incorporate a slot in the joint that will create a more substantial thermal break, but I don't think we'll need it and it adds costs obviously and we where doing our best to keep it functional and as reasonable as possible made in the USA.
That said, we have a super trick and industrial German stainless safety clamp that we're putting the finishing touches on that will serve as an optional carb handle or perhaps required for you super heaters out there or those often topping your bowls with concentrates or for those anticipating running our VRIPDab Proto-nail insert we'll be introducing. You're right though Niall the standard joints will transfer heat more than the compression fit o-rings which is why our original VCB design going back to '97 using a standard joint was turned away from in favor of the compression fit o-ring approach that conveyed a clear thermal break. So far the custom joints we have for the new VCB4.2s seem to be working just fine without any complaints --- just by having them thicker and ground slightly looser seems to be good for most typical usage and I'm hunching the optional handle will be preferred by everyone if they need or want a handle. It will never break and can be swapped from piece to piece --- super simple and modular. Stay posted I know the clamps arrived from Germany already and some of the final components are showing up any day so hopefully we can have some protos quick and the production version sorted in the coming weeks. If not I'll (this is Mark) will be back in the country beginning of March and I'll get it knocked out quick.
That said, we have a super trick and industrial German stainless safety clamp that we're putting the finishing touches on that will serve as an optional carb handle or perhaps required for you super heaters out there or those often topping your bowls with concentrates or for those anticipating running our VRIPDab Proto-nail insert we'll be introducing. You're right though Niall the standard joints will transfer heat more than the compression fit o-rings which is why our original VCB design going back to '97 using a standard joint was turned away from in favor of the compression fit o-ring approach that conveyed a clear thermal break. So far the custom joints we have for the new VCB4.2s seem to be working just fine without any complaints --- just by having them thicker and ground slightly looser seems to be good for most typical usage and I'm hunching the optional handle will be preferred by everyone if they need or want a handle. It will never break and can be swapped from piece to piece --- super simple and modular. Stay posted I know the clamps arrived from Germany already and some of the final components are showing up any day so hopefully we can have some protos quick and the production version sorted in the coming weeks. If not I'll (this is Mark) will be back in the country beginning of March and I'll get it knocked out quick.
eddiezheadiez
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When will the new wand be available to purchase?
Nebu
Post-Apocalyptic Renaissance Man
I'm fairly certain it is currently available, but you could confirm via email or phone (info on the vriptech contact page).