vaporizing salvia

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

heres a post about vaporizing salvia divinorum, a very interesting plant to say the very least

this thread on the shroomery is the primary source i have about vaporizing salvia if you havent read it read the thread its pretty informative http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6941878#Post6941878

then down the thread, there is a person who mentions that he got good effects out of a vaporgene. i contacted him and he has elaborated further, he has a vg and an ssv and uses them both for salvia

I spent several hundred dollars on top of the line vaporizers only to find out that they all don't work on Salvia (due to the fact they won't get hot enough to vaporize). The Silver Surfer I assure you does, and is better at maintaining the perfect temperature as compared to the Vapor genie which does take more skill. The advantage to the Vapor Genie is you can carry it around easily with you, and don't need access to electricity or time to set up.
Once the Silver silver is set up however and dialed to just the right setting and marked so as to get the same setting each time like I have to mine it will last a long time. If I were unable to get a Silver Surfer vaporizer or they suddenly weren't available I would most likely look into a variable heat gun set up.

any further information anyone can find and post, this is still rather unexplored country, and we need to get as much info in one place as possible for anyone who would be curious about this

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

heres another forum post, this time the person did one bag in a volcano and got pleasant effects
http://www.psychonaut.com/index.php?option=com_forum&page=viewtopic&Itemid=11&t=30520&lang=en

and from the salvia faq at http://www.sagewisdom.org/ :

Q. What is vaporization and how does it differ from smoking?
A. Vaporization consists of heating pure salvinorin A, extract, or powdered leaf to a high temperature without igniting it. The temperature must be high enough for at least some of the salvinorin to temporarily become a gas (vapor). The ideal air-stream temperature for vaporization is approximately 277 C (530 F.). These vapors, mixed with the aerosol the vapors condense to and air, are inhaled. Like the smoke from burning salvia leaves, the products of vaporization contain salvinorin and other volatile products, either as gases, or as an aerosol of small condensed droplets. Unlike smoking, vaporization does not produce ash particulates, or oxidation products such as carbon monoxide. Inhaling vapors is probably somewhat less damaging to one's lungs than is inhaling smoke; but it cannot be considered free of all health risks. Your lungs evolved to inhale clean air, not hot vapors.

Q. How is vaporization done?
A. There are not yet commercial vaporizers optimized for smoking Salvia. Salvia leaf, extract, or salvinorin can be vaporized on heated aluminum foil and inhaled with a straw. Alternatively, homemade vaporizer units can be constructed, or units designed for consumption of cannabis or tobacco can be used. Many commercial units are either not hot enough (won't vaporize) or too hot (will carbonize) for optimum vaporization of salvinorin.

Q. Is vaporization strong?
A. Of course it depends on the dose, but it can be unbelievably strong! Dangerously so! Since very little smoke is produced with this technique, it is possible to inhale a very large dose with very little effort. At large doses, one may temporarily lose all awareness of who one is, where one is or what one is doing. Falls, fires, injuries etc. can easily occur. If you will be vaporizing it is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL that a sitter be present to protect you from injury.

 

[SpiralArchitect]

This makes me want to try Salvia again... I've smoked it many, many times and am done with it (via that method anyway). The smoke taste like cat piss and the high is more confusing than enjoyable. But it has been some time... have you tried it yourself Acolyte?

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

ya, i smoked some plain leaf with a candle and got some really weird but fascinating results
nothing strong, but there was this female type movie announcer voice babbling on about something in my head and i kept telling her to shut up so i could enjoy the effect... then 5 secs later shed start up again
i also got some open eye visuals

its pretty funny to me in retrospect, kinda annoying when it happened tho, but it peaked my interest

 

[NSXTACY]

I just had a good idea to be able to vaporize salvia effectively with the extreme.
What you can do is put a little bit of ground salvia extract (i use 20X purple sticky) on the brass mesh screen right on top of the ceramic heater (where you put the cyclone bowl) , not in the actual cyclone bowl. It will be closer to the heat source so it should be very close to the temp of what the digital display reads (250C) and as most know salvia's chemicals are vaporized at around 250C. All you have to do is put enough ground up salvia on the screen to give you your desired effects (experiment), you might have to smash it up into a more solid piece so the salvia will not go through the screen and into your heater. You could also take the little mesh bowl that you put in your glass whip joint and put it upside down over the salvia that's sitting on the brass screen so the ground up salvia will stay put closer to the heat source when blowing a bag on a high speed and keep the bowl cleaner. I would be very careful vaporizing salvia first time though, ive heard its tricky to dose. Try very small amounts first time and i recommend using the bag and fill the bag with about 2 lung full's of vapor and shutting off the vape or putting it on sleep so there will be no risk of fire if you knock over the vape under the influence of sally D.

I will be trying this the next chance i get (someday this week) and i will post if it works or not. If i am correct this will work perfectly and be way better than smoking it! But you will have to experiment with dose to get the desired effects, that is very important if you don't want to freak out because sally is not something to underestimate.

But i have smoked 20X salvia before many times through my bong. I have only gotten minor effects, no hallucinations, just very detached and alienated, euphoria, laughter, and the pulling effect (salvia gravity is what they call it). Salvia is a amazing drug, and i love it. It is not something i do that much because it is just soo weird and sometimes scary. But i have also noticed that salvia really gets you to appreciate reality, and how amazing life is and that we shouldn't take it for granted. Not too mention it is a wonderful drug for drug addicts and it heals the soul. Oh and salvia is less toxic then vitamin B6, so there is no worry of toxicity or overdosing. But be careful.

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

good luck dude!
though i have heard some questionable things about the "purple sticky" brand, i would just buy several ounces plain leaf and some isopropyl alcohol and make my own enhanced leaf

in case you didnt know, salvia has a reverse tolerance effect, which means the more often you do it the more sensitive you become to it... im very sensitive to begin with so i would never dream of doing anything more than 10x, as i get noticable effects off of pain leaf with no reverse tolerance

if you want to get your reverse tolerance, you can get some weaker extract and smoke it every night for a week or so, or more often if you like, youre not going for breakthrough doses with this as thats what the 20x is for

i also dont buy into the torch lighter thing, as too hot will just destroy salvinorin... the goal with smoking is just to have it be liquified particles, which are carried into your lungs with the smoke
with vaporizing you want it to boil off, but then it condenses to liquid particles that you inhale as vapor, which wont be visible because of the minute quality

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

found a couple more posts by the guy on the shroomery ill give you the link, but i think ill just quote it right in here too (its kinda eerie to post in a thread, then forget about it, then dig it up later while youre searching )
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8117115#8117115

mother_of_pearl said:

Zinglons Acolyte said:

mother_of_pearl said:
I don't bother with Naptha since I vaporizer my salvia.

really? what type of vape? and how does it work out for you?

The two that I know for sure that work with Salvia Are the Silver Surfer and the Vapor Genie (hand held). I did learn like many others that not all vaporizers will work with Salvia But these two I can attest to. I have had experience with a Volcanoe, and a Herbalaire 2.1 (both of which are great vaporizers but no good for salvia)I have a picture of the Silver Surfer in my picture area. The Vapor Genie is more like a more highly advanced pipe, but it is more easy to master than a light bulb vaporizer and is more in line with limited budgets.

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

nx, have you done any further experiments with salvia in your extreme? i would like to hear more about the extreme specifically, and how salvia works in it, im trying to decide on what my second vape will be

 

[Clear_Dome]

burn salvia at high temp with a torch lighter !!!IT WORK WAY BETTER i'm sure vg work cause it burn the sd but you get better result by burner it hard .....it's time for a magic carpet ride now !
OLA

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

actually the torch lighter thing is a myth, bics work plenty fine as long as you keep the flame on it, it needs to be hot but not THAT hot

salvinorin vaporizes at 240c, which is within the range of most vapes, albeit on the upper end, but there have been many reports of being able to use salvia out of a vaporizer, and the results are MUCH more impressive than with a torch

plus there is also the concern that with a torch, you are pyrolizing a lot of the salvinorin, and therefore destroying the small amount of active component there is, vaporizing is the obviously superior solution, salvinorin is one of the most potent psychedelics found in nature, active at about 400 micrograms

 

[Clear_Dome]

I dont care about the report ....I have 2-3 gram remaining at home of 20 and 40x (not sure for the 40) and man ....the torch is not a myth just try it by your self ...I got my biggest buzz ever with a torch and what we call a poumon ....the pipe and a normal bic doesnt give me the half of the buzz I get ...I'm not trying to say that you are wrong ....but I smoke salvia since maybe 3-4 year at least and the first thing I have try when I got my herbi was to try salvia and I was realy desapointed ...same thing with the E ...but keep testing if you want and poke me if you find something that work !!

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

your talking about a buzz of 20x and 40x ?! you must really be a salvia hardhead man, 20x would make me spectacularly break through, one hit of plain leaf gives me a buzz, two gives me visuals
the extreme might just not get hot enough the reports were with plain leaf and an analog whip type vape that can reach upwards of 300c, salvinorin a vaporizes at 240-260c i believe, just beyond the range of the extreme, which is the vape you used, correct?

the reports ive read are with a vapor box vape, a ssv, and a vg, and as far as i know, it is vaporized not burned, the vaporgenie does work without burning the salvia, but you have to be a real pro at controlling the temp bas salvinorin vaporzes right on the edge of the temperature that cellulose starts to burn

think about the anatomy of the salvia leaf, the salvinorins are in microscopic trichomes on the bottom of the leaf, not in the cells themselves, so by passing extremely hot air over it, plenty of salvinorin boilds out of the trichomes and enters your lungs as hot droplets of liquid salvinorin. there really isnt any need to torch the plant matter when you can vaporize

there may be incomplete combustion, but incomplete is still better than complete combustion, and still easier on your lungs, and the effects are stronger with vaporization because all the smoke doesnt get in the way of your lungs absorbing the salvinorin, salvinorin isnt nearly as easy for the lungs to absorb and even with smoking you have to hold it for 30+ seconds to really get a lot of the salvinorin

 

[TJCookier]

I agree with dome though my experience is limited, a BIC w/ 20/40x didnt do much at all to me, switching to the torch made me see death a few times.

 

[Clear_Dome]

 

[iripthatvolcano]

I have a volcano vaporizer and I just bought some some Salvia. I've never tried Salvia before so I'm a little weary about trying it off of the volcano. I just bought 20x and 40x. Any tips on what I should do? Try it out of the vapo first or just a pipe hit?

 

[Clear_Dome]

A big pipe hit will throw you on the floor man that a sure shot ...ready to make some flying carpet ?...but try it in the vap if you want but make a feed back after !

 

[iripthatvolcano]

Should I shoot straight out of the gate and go for the 40x my first time or the 20x?

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

go for it, ive heard of the volcano being used for salvia, but im not sure it would be the best to use, direct draw styles tend to have more flexibility and control with temperature. the one report i have seen with the volcano looked like there was a bunch of smoke in the bag and didnt sound a impressive as reports from the whip vapes

but go for it if you feel like it, otherwise you can stick to the time honored method of smoking

 

[Clear_Dome]

Should I shoot straight out of the gate and go for the 40x my first time or the 20x?

HAHAHAHA this one is funny .....I think you (like many people) missunderstand that salvia i a realy hardcore psycho.substance LOL I would say start with 10x but if you want to start with 40x ...you'll not die but you may get hard time for the first time ...

just my

 

[vaporcloud]

you'll not die but you may get hard time for the first time

 

[partially veiled]

Should I shoot straight out of the gate and go for the 40x my first time or the 20x?

Um, yeah...unless you're a hardcore masochist who enjoys having the inside of his scalp scooped out and plopped on a plate in front of him (meanwhile all of this is happening backwards, in triple speed and upside-down in colors you couldn't have conceptualized before the experience), I would advise against this. Salvia is serious...and I doubt anyone making and selling a 40x extract is even doing it with much care...there's so much shitty merchandising heaped on this poor unfortunate plant. You'd have to do a tiny amount of a 40x extract, if it truly were a 40x, and you'd easily risk doing far too much...especially if you happened to be sensitive. I'd suggest starting with plain leaf; it's noted that some people seem to exhibit extreme sensitivities, while others are naturally "hard headed".

Another, still very intense and yet more respectful (IMO) way of experiencing Salvia is with plain leaf (preferably fresh--and Salvia div. is very easy to grow), in large amounts at that, rolled into a cigar shaped quid and chewed slowly, holding the "juice" in the mouth and specifically underneath the tongue...viola, a prolonged and slowed down trip. Not the crazy hyper-spatial flash of the Salvia smoke, but nonetheless an individual, breathtaking psychedelic landscape in its own right, no fucking doubt. Even if you want to smoke, I'd still try plain leaf first. For some people that's all it takes...just be careful and show respect, you'll do fine. She's a queen...kind of like ye ole Somniferum...be careful and show prudence with Salvia; it can and will whoop your ass, if so required.

 

[max]

Excellent info and advice pv. Perfect way to start the day.

 

[vtac]

Excellent info and advice pv. Perfect way to start the day.

A big hit o' 40x?

 

[max]

Excellent info and advice pv. Perfect way to start the day.

A big hit o' 40x?

Just to be clear. I meant his advice, not the dosage.

 

[partially veiled]

I remember when the perfect way to start the day was a cigarette and a XL black coffee...the breakfast of champions. O memories.

And thank you max. I do try...Salvia is a big issue, though. Too many people wanted to take advantage of a certain situation, expliot a plant which was legal but had some mystique and definitely produced effects, and well...look at what's happening. Again...


Oh wait, this is totally the perfect situation for this one...