It also depends on why you are vaping...I use it for certain medical reasons but you sound like you want to get into your thoughts more of what getting "stoned" is which is maybe why the higher temps is what you want. I have no interest in being stoned.
I tried the bong a long while ago and I never do fast but not slow 45 second hits either. I do moderate draw 5-10 seconds. I don't feel the heat of my vape at all but I do get an irritated throat at times and that can be the combo of vape and sinuses dripping.
Dreamer, not directing this at you personally, but as I was reading through the whole forum for the first time (having spent a couple of weeks on pages 1 and 2), the temp stuff was an epiphany for me. It changed my entire vaping experience and my health has improved. So I expected to go to the end of the post and find people talking about vaping at low through hi temps, not going to the middle and wasting the bottom HALF of the cannabinoids.
I read all these posts by different folks, and I wonder if any of you is a medical user, or if you just don't get the first page of this post! I read about those of you vapers starting off at medium to high temps, and I am confused as to how ANYONE who's read this entire set of posts could START vaping their mmj at such high temps. Do you just not get the concept of starting at a very low temperature to get the anti-inflammatories and the anti-spasmodic effects? Those compounds are destroyed by starting out at 180 or 190c! What Tom said on page ONE is that whatever temp you START at destroys ANYTHING below that temp! If you start off like the stoners do, at the thc "sweet spot" as it's known by some, you surrender ALL the low temp cannabinoids to the sky. They're GONE. ALL GONE. Might as well be combusting it! I'm a medical user, and I start at 130c, vape 3 or 4 BOWLS full off the same stuff (try it before you poop on me, just give it a try -- I'm using a Volcano digital, sorry if you can't afford one, but any digital product should work more or less the same)! I can get a dozen balloons off the same half gram just by starting low. No, I don't get high at 130 or 145 or 160, but I do get a LOT of medical relief! It's all on the chart on page 1! And some other copies of the chart that have been updated over the four years since it came out... Tom started his chart at 140c, but I found several versions of his and other people's work (including a 3 part article at The Weedist that lists all the compounds...). The bottom line is that a whole bunch of cannabinoids are released at the 125-130c point. I personally get a lot of mental clarity and energy from 130 and 145c especially. At 160, I start getting a bit high. Those are my three low temps. I put the ABV into a jar marked medium if I don't want more. I also have a low jar and a high jar. Anything vaped in a pen item goes into the low jar (operative temps in many vape pens is about 125-130, so far as I can tell). Anything vaped up to 160 goes in the middle jar to be vaped at 175 and 190 for thc and body high. The remaining abv goes into the high jar, which I vape at 205 and 220c. Those are my three layers of vaping, and my temps at each. If I hurt and need physical help, I go to the middle jar. If I need sedation, I go to the high jar. I don't START with fresh stuff! That would waste all the lower compounds! For daily aches and pains and not eating oxycodone like m&ms, I vape low temps. I got it all off this post, and verified it back to 1984 with HIS sources, and found a few of my own that say the same. I'm getting results that let me cut back on my foundational pain opiate, and let me do more stuff every day.
Check my blog vaping4life.wordpress.com for more info on my system, but "my" system comes from this very forum! I suggest every reader give lower temps and re-claiming abv and lightly vaped materials a serious try. Especially if you're a medical patient and you are even slightly concerned about money. I no longer worry about running out of meds! I have a steady supply, and once it's been through the vape train? It goes to the kitchen. I cook with the abv from the high jar. And when it's sitting in an oven at 350f cooking in brownies? All the rest of the cannabinoids (the last 30%, some say) go into those foods, the brownies and the pesto and the other items I add mmj to.
Seriously, guys, STARTING your vaping cycle in the middle of the temps that way is wasteful and illogical in the face of reproducible scientific fact about cannabinoids and the various temps at which they are released. It's not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of temperature. Any indica at 130 will wake you up and make you dance better than Jack Herer at 180! It's about what gets released at what temperature on YOUR vaporizer with YOUR stash IF it's ground correctly. I was pretty shocked to get the temp thing, myself, so I know it's counterintuitive. But it's a fact, and it's reproducible. Just try it.
I challenge you to go back and reread the whole forum, and to examine the thinking further on this "temp ladder" philosophy of mmj vaping. Try shifting your perspective away from the THC part of the plant and focus more on the entire spectra of the cannabinoid line-up: there are an unknown number of cannabinoids, and they all are released at different temperatures. I believe you will experience a huge difference in your medication usage, cost, and effects. I certainly have, and it is 100% due to what I have read in the beginning of THIS forum.
Not trying to start a flame war, pardon the pun, just trying to make a point back here that i thought got made up front, but I don't see anybody back here talking about the main point of this particular thread: how vaping at different temperatures releases or destroys, as the case may be, different cannabinoids. JMO, but Tom seemed like a pretty damned smart guy to me, and I found his research to be compelling and accurate, and his results work on ME. They also have worked for everyone that I've shared them with through my blogs. I'd love to hear more about what results OTHERS have had with true low temp vaping: sub 160/300ish temps! Down where all the truly good anti-you-name-it's are!
^^^Vaping @ higher temps does give the popcorn taste. I actually like it but YMMV. As long as your ABV isn't burned after the session I guess you're not combusting. An that never happens with the volcano on 9(226°C). I hardly vape fresh herbs on 9 tho. I almost always go up in temp to finish at 9. It seems to benefit the effects as well as the taste.
A little of topic but still.
I am lookin for a portable vape wich can give me the temp control I have with my volcano. I'm looking into the inhalater (xp) will this do the job?
imho, no portable is gonna give you the temp control of a volcano... that said, there are a lot of portables out there to choose from. I find the pen vapes to be a lot of fun, but they really only give flavor and very low temps (lots of anti-inflamm activity, v
It sounds like your herb is too dry. Get you some boveda packs, and this should solve your problem. Make sure you break up your bud first before storing it with the boveda. Also, to get all the flavor from your herb to last a while, for those times when you just want to sit back and enjoy all the different subtle flavors, start low(around 220f) then raise the temperature with each puff until you hit 396f-410f. When the vapor gets thins at the high temperature, stir your bowl and extract the rest of the cannabinoids. Peace.
Luchiano, the boveda packs will help you KEEP your herbs frresh, but from EVERYTHING I have read, the drier your herb, the better it vapes. WET herb will NOT vape well. You do NOT get vapor out of wet herb. It's counterintuitive, not what you THINK ought to be, but it's true. The oils aren't water soluble. Keeping herb moist just keeps the trichomes from falling off and becoming kief. I mean, first I learned to keep my herb moist so it didn't crumble and burn in the pipe, and once I got that all set up, bovedas in every jar, then I get a vaporizer, and have to change everything all over again! This whole process has been one epiphany after another! But seriously, wet herb don't vape. It steams. You get water, but very little herb. It should be left out for ten minutes to dry after being ground upside down in your grinder (leaving it upside down means the herb is in the teeth the whole time of grinding and it gets ground more finely without turning into powder--if you invert the grinder without opening it before taking your herb out, the loose kief falls through the bottom screen and stays for your later pleasure...); try it and see. btw, there IS no visible vapor to speak of at lower temps. There's taste, and there's plenty of cannabinoids, but there's no "smoke" to speak of. There's very little in the way of visible smoke until the 160 area, when vapor begins to be visible. At 190, it's milky. But at 130, 145 and 160 (my low temps), there is very little visible vapor. Just taste. And omg what a taste...
.... wasn't the meaning of my previous posting... just meant that if your product doesn't have IT in there to begin with, no amount of temperature change is going to add IT. (IT = the cannabinoids that contribute to the effect being sought)
